Is Arafat doing enough?

[Mill]

Arafat to attend ceremony against Israel's will

Is Arafat doing enough to get people off his back? I mean now he is openly defying Sharon. I have mixed feelings on this. What do you all think?

 

[Czar]

He has closed a few Hamas offices, arrested some Hamas and Jihad members and Hamas and Jihad have said that they will halt suicide bombings untill further notice, i think that is quite alot more than most people expected. So I think yes.

 

[Passner]

Czar, there is a differance between doing more than expected, and enough. He is most certainly not getting it done, and that is that.

 

[Czar]

<< Czar, there is a differance between doing more than expected, and enough. He is most certainly not getting it done, and that is that. >>


true, but he is doing more than most people in his position would and could do, whoever they might be.

 

[Passner]

To be honest, he is just pandering to the Western World, while still trying to keep his own people together. He says he is making arrests, but then he goes on Palestinian radio
and talks about how he did not even handcuff those he arrested. He says he shut down some offices, but then he tells his people that if 70 of them die to kill one Israeli it is all right.
Hey Czar, can you European people say hypocrite?

 

[Halogen]

well i don't think you should try to force Arafat to stop terrorism or whatever

that land technicaly belonds to Palistine but Israel is making settlements on them

ok picture it like this, if there was some super duper mega power backing up canada (oh lets just say every country in the world excluding the US) and Canada started to place Canadian settlements on American land, don't you think the Americans would occassionaly bomb those Canadian settlements and snipe settlers on them when they get a clear shot?
do you think the American government would actaully WANT you to stop attackin Canadian settlers? NO the US government would not want you to stop

you have to understand that it is PALISTINE LAND but there are ISRAELIS INVADING, what would you do if your stuff was being stolen by your little brother who has a big friend, think about it.

 

[Czar]

Hey Passner, nearly all politicians are hypocrites and Arafat is no different.

 

[Passner]

yeah, but when Arafat is a hypocrite, people die.

 

[Passner]

Halogen, there is almost no validity to anything you wrote in that post, or your "example." If Palestine was ever a nation, you would have a tiny bit more validity, yet they never were, so that post still has NO VALIDITTY.

 

[Halogen]

<< If Palestine was ever a nation, you would have a tiny bit more validity, yet they never were >>


are you a complete retard?!!? Palestine is a nation you moron

 

[Czar]

<< yeah, but when Arafat is a hypocrite, people die. >>


Same with Sharon.

 

[Passner]

Halogen, are you a complete retard, Palestine is not a nation, which is why they want the West Bank, so they can become an independant state.
It is one thing to call someone a retard when you are right, but it is pretty bad to call someone a retard when you do not know what you are talking about
Halogen. Palestine a nation, thats a good one.

 

[Passner]

Please tell me when Sharon was a hypocrite.

 

[Czar]

<< Please tell me when Sharon was a hypocrite. >>


he says he wants peace... well.. recent history says he doesnt, at least no sane person belives that is what he wants anyway.


on the other note.. officaly palestine is not a country, but they have their own land which belongs to no one else. They are a leftover from the British imperial which was never declared a country. Israel is officialy a country and officialy all Palestine does not belong to Israel, and in reality to.

 

[Halogen]

Palestine is a nation, after WW2 ended Israel was a cut out of many countries such as Egypt and Palestine

 

[Passner]

Wrong, Halogen, first off you use "is" implying currently, when you use the past to back it up, in which case the only appropriate word is "was." Secondly,
it "was" never a nation, because it was never under its own rule before Israel got in in 1948. It was under Roman, Hun (I believe), Muslim, Christian, Muslim, Christian, Muslim, Ottoman and fianlly British control, all that time they never had an autonomous governement.

 

[Passner]

Hey Czar, Sharon wants peace, he just doesn't want to enter into a peace agreement with a country that demands to much, and still allows terrorist organizations to exist,
whether or not they promise to be good little boys for a little while.

 

[Czar]

sure he wants peace, but he doesnt care if palistinians die in the process, to most sane people that does not mean peace because peace can never be reaced untill the public on both sides agree with the terms, and I´m sure you understand the palistinians view of Sharons "peace"

 

[Halogen]

face it, Sharon does not want peace. if he wanted piece then they would stop trying to invade!

what you are saying is like me saying "Hitler wanted piece with Poland, that is why he invaded"

 

[Passner]

he "invades" usually to root out certain terrorists that the PA refuses to hand over, and that is not too much to ask.

 

[Passner]

Czar, Sharon does not care if Palestinian TERRORISTS die. THey make every effort to not kill civilains in the crossfire, but sometimes stuff happens.
When the US accidentaly kills a civilain in Afghanistan, I feel sad, but I just shrug it off, becuase that is the cost when you fight terrorism.

 

[Czar]

<< he "invades" usually to root out certain terrorists that the PA refuses to hand over, and that is not too much to ask. >>


what about the israeli settlements? they do nothing but harm and destroy any possible peace process, and like I said before he does not care wether a palistinian dies in his road to peace, and like I said before, peace can never be reached untill the public of both sides are happy with the terms.

 

[Czar]

<< Czar, Sharon does not care if Palestinian TERRORISTS die. THey make every effort to not kill civilains in the crossfire, but sometimes stuff happens.
When the US accidentaly kills a civilain in Afghanistan, I feel sad, but I just shrug it off, becuase that is the cost when you fight terrorism. >>



he does not care, it is obvios because most palistinians who have died in "sharons" way of reaching peace were civilians and not terrorists. The only Israeli official I know of that realy wants peace is Peres.

 

[Passner]

no, he does care if a Palestinian dies in the process, provided it is a civilian. the Israeli government tries to minimize civilain casualties, but when you have terrorists hiding in schools and whatnot, it gets hard sometimes.
Sharon, will not let himself get distraught over such losses, because he realizes he has to root out terrorists to insure the safety of HIS people, which is his #1 priority as well it should be.

 

[Halogen]

but seriously putting settlements on Palestine land is like mouthing off to a guy then wondering why he pops you in the mouth