Is Apple finally getting it?

[Maverick2002]

Regardless of their pipeline, architecture, etc, there has not been an Apple machine that would run nearly as fast as any PC, laptop or desktop, with a matching price tag. As for those demonstrations, that's total Mac optimization. Like I said, do the multiple IE windows. Your 10% CPU utilization will last for about half a second. Then you're SOL. I know, we have these machines at the place where I used to work (and I still visit friends there weekly).

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Maverick2002
Regardless of their pipeline, architecture, etc, there has not been an Apple machine that would run nearly as fast as any PC, laptop or desktop, with a matching price tag. As for those demonstrations, that's total Mac optimization. Like I said, do the multiple IE windows. Your 10% CPU utilization will last for about half a second. Then you're SOL. I know, we have these machines at the place where I used to work (and I still visit friends there weekly).

I nver said they were budget friendly, I said don't crap on the hardware - because it's good stuff.

Viper GTS

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: Maverick2002
Regardless of their pipeline, architecture, etc, there has not been an Apple machine that would run nearly as fast as any PC, laptop or desktop, with a matching price tag. As for those demonstrations, that's total Mac optimization. Like I said, do the multiple IE windows. Your 10% CPU utilization will last for about half a second. Then you're SOL. I know, we have these machines at the place where I used to work (and I still visit friends there weekly).

OK, Mr. Smarty Pants. I just opened nearly 30 IE 5.2.1 windows on my G4/933 and it seemed to handle it just fine. In fact, I would wager that it could open another 30 without breaking a sweat.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: Maverick2002
Regardless of their pipeline, architecture, etc, there has not been an Apple machine that would run nearly as fast as any PC, laptop or desktop, with a matching price tag. As for those demonstrations, that's total Mac optimization. Like I said, do the multiple IE windows. Your 10% CPU utilization will last for about half a second. Then you're SOL. I know, we have these machines at the place where I used to work (and I still visit friends there weekly).

And for the record, who uses IE in OS X anyways? Mozilla and Chimera are way better.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Maverick2002, keep altering your arguement to make you appear correct... no one is noticing... really!

 

[AzNmAnJLH]

$ 16,850.95 buys you:

Summary
? Power Mac G4 Dual 1.25GHz w/167MHz system bus
? 2.0GB PC2700 DDR SDRAM - 4 DIMMs
? 4x72GB Ultra160 SCSI - Dual card
? Optical 1 - Apple SuperDrive
? Optical 2 - Combo Drive (DVD/CD-RW)
? NVIDIA GeForce4 Titanium dual-display w/128MB DDR
? Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel)
? Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel) + Apple DVI to ADC Adapter
? iPod - 20GB (Mac)
? .Mac (Retail Box)
? Ultra SCSI PCI card & cable adapter
? 56K internal modem
? Apple Pro Speakers
? AirPort Card
? Apple Pro Keyboard - U.S. English
? Mac OS - U.S. English
? APP for Power Mac (w/ or w/o display) - Enrollment Kit

 

[Mani]

I really don't get why people debate which hardware is better when both architectures are destined to run different OSes and are optimized for different things.

Compare benchmarks in games. Or photoshop. Or f*cking internet explorer. But honestly, who the hell cares if a 866MHz PowerPC is technically faster than an 866MHz Pentium 4.

 

[UNCjigga]

How long do you give them before they get fed up with Motorola/PowerPC and move into the Intel camp? I know they're still pissed that IBM went in a different, incompatible direction with their Power chips and now they have the clockspeed while Motorola is suck.

You KNOW Apple just HAS to have an x86-ready version of Jaguar somewhere (probably codenamed Cheetah cuz its faster! )

 

[silent tone]

G4's have a shorter pipeline than a P3 (G4 = 7 stages, P3 = 12, P4 = 20), they are a hell of a lot faster than an 867 Mhz P4, P3, Athlon, or whatever you want x86 processor would be.

At least when comparing a 1Ghz G4 to 1Ghz P3 they perform pretty close in SPEClink.
What that page doesn't show is the even poorer comparison in SPECfp.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Notfred, here is your proof.

Pentium 4 2.4 GHZ - $193
Epox 4G4A- $90
PC 3200 256 MB DDR ram- $67
80 GB HD - $80- $100
Audigy Soundcard - $65 OEM
GF4 Ti 4200- $140
Case-$70
32X CDRW- $41
Toshiba 16X DVDROM- $40
Keyboard- $20
Intellimouse- $25
NIC- $5
FANS, HSF- $30

$866 TOTAL

now just add a monitor and you'll probably be just a bit over $1000. You could even upgrade to 512mb ram as well. Now with this system, you'll be able to beat even the highest end DUAL G4 1.25 ghz machines in nearly all video/photo editing apps. Not to mention the fact that you can actually play games too. Sheesh i could even add in a DVDRW and still keep it under $1300. So basically your argument is what, lets spend hundreds and thousands of dollars more for a good OS and a system with decent performance? Apple doesn't have much going for it these days with the PC hardware industry propelling at such astonishing rates. Once hammer and Prescott roll around, Apple will fall even further behind. But hey, PC's aren't for everyone, you can go get a Mac and save Christmas.

I don't have the benchies offhand, but the athlon XP 1800 was beatin the DUAL 1GHZ g4's by around 30-40 % in most After Effects/Photoshop benchmarks. Now considering that the Dual 1.25 G4's aren't that much faster, reports have shown that benches are lower in some cases, than the 1 GHZ dual's and that a P4 2.4 ghz processor is considerably faster than an XP 1800 the gap is widened even more. Now how much was that dual G4 system, $5000??? For what, a nice paintjob and a flatpanel monitor?

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
...I don't have the benchies offhand...

You do realzie that the ENTIRE basis for the prrof you need is those benchmarks, and not the pricetag, right?

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
for under a $1000, you could put together a P4 system that will beat any Mac out there in a majority of benchies.

Not including Photoshop . That's just about the only benchmark where Apple shines, so they constantly remind PC-user how much better Apple is for running Photoshop. Too bad I don't give a flying f*ck on how fast Photoshop runs.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Once again here ya go notfred.

2.53 P4 Vs Dual 1GHZ G4's

Photoshop Performance (Dispelling this myth that Apple is faster at Photoshop)

How bout some more photoshop for ya

GMP Performance

Lightwave

Ok, that's more than enough benchmarks to prove my point. So with my $1300, equipped PC complete with DVDRW, 512MBRAM, P4 2.4, etc. I'm still able to beat a ridiculously overpriced $5000 dual 1.25GHZ mac. Someone explain to me where this $3700 price difference comes from?

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Once again here ya go notfred.

2.53 P4 Vs Dual 1GHZ G4's

Photoshop Performance (Dispelling this myth that Apple is faster at Photoshop)

How bout some more photoshop for ya

GMP Performance

Lightwave

Ok, that's more than enough benchmarks to prove my point. So with my $1300, equipped PC complete with DVDRW, 512MBRAM, P4 2.4, etc. I'm still able to beat a ridiculously overpriced $5000 dual 1.25GHZ mac. Someone explain to me where this $3700 price difference comes from?

Personally, I agree with you. I think the appeal that Macs have is they require no effort for operation...

Obviosuly this crowd recognizes the overall simplicity of buidling a computer, but many people do not, and will pay sometimes-ridiculous prices for plug and play equipment

It is like comparing a sony reciever and one of their highest-quality all-in-one systems....

They both might sound similar, but one is more customizable simply because it is DESIGNED TO BE THAT WAY


No one says you can't internally upgrade a Mac....it's just that x86 pcs excel in that arena because THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR IT....


and don't bother.....just try to add a pci card to an Imac...didn't think so...

 

[NeoMadHatter]

i don't know if they got it or are getting it, but i bought an ipod and i'm happy with it. good job on that to apple. although software(musicmatch) isn't that great.