is anyone else over the whole first black president thing?

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sammyunltd

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Originally posted by: loki8481
the democrats could have nominated Adolf Hitler in 2008 and still won the election, which makes me skeptic of whether the election even said anything important about the state of race n Amercia.

Godwin's Law strikes again!

Wow. This thread saddens me... so much for unity and solidarity in America...
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: loki8481
I mean, we elected the best person for the job... isn't that what normal people should do? I guess I just don't grok why people doing the right thing is such a big deal.

Yeah, it's pretty sad that the 24hr "news" media and others are constantly gushing and drooling about "african-American" - as if that means anything. It doesn't, he's not "african-American" - he's American. Why is it that some people seem to WANT to look at race depending on the positivity or negativity of it? IMO, his Inauguration is no more "historic" than any other inauguration.

Once you understand the history of America it becomes clear why the racial distinction is made and why his inauguration is arguably one of the most historic ever. Considering you lack even an elementary understanding of U.S. history and object to using financial definitions of words in finance discussions, your confusion is quite understandable.
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
IMO, his Inauguration is no more "historic" than any other inauguration.

It is a truly historic event regardless of your opinion.

It is indeed. First, every inauguration is a triumph of democracy in that the last President is placed out of office. To me, regardless of who the last President might have been, is hugely significant.

Second, Obama's being the first black to become President is also a big event in itself. That America could be dragged kicking and screaming by liberal, mostly Christian, do-goers from Jim Crow to a black President in less than five decades is simply astounding. All Americans can be very proud of this achievement.
 

Paraguay11

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As a second generation immigrant, I am not over the whole black president thing.

This gives the majority of blacks a chance to make it as many other races are doing now. Enough with the oversized pants, hip-hop attitude and ghetto speak no one can understand.

Enough with unemployment that is 2x what it is for the rest of citizens. Enough with literacy rates that are 5x that of everyone else. Enough with the term "baby-mama."

This is the chance for blacks to say to themselves that the man is not holding them down, if they have a chance to be president, go to Harvard, marry a lawyer, they have no excuses at this point.
 

DukeN

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Originally posted by: loki8481
is anyone else over the whole first black president thing?

Yes, all the folks who don't care about race and related issues, specifically racism.
 

AliasX

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It is very racist. Now it is the whites that are being oppressed while the blacks get handouts.

Ima go and have me some nativism.
 

ericlp

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Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
IMO, his Inauguration is no more "historic" than any other inauguration.





It is a truly historic event regardless of your opinion.
Yes, it's historic, but no more historic than other inaugurations.

of course it is.

Not when looked at rationally.

you forget that this is still a racist country for the most part. to many it means alot.

yep... But have you noticed that TV and the Ads have more black people in them? Or is it just me?!!? :p
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Why does 50% black make someone black, but 50% white doesn't make someone white? :confused:

self-identification? it's kinda like transsexuals referring to themselves with female pronouns because they see themselves as female.

edit: wrong word
 
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Originally posted by: loki8481
I mean, we elected the best person for the job...

I think that's highly doubtful. The best person for the job never ran. What we got was the most charismatic person who decided to run for the job. Big difference.
 

retrospooty

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: loki8481
I mean, we elected the best person for the job... isn't that what normal people should do? I guess I just don't grok why people doing the right thing is such a big deal.

Yeah, it's pretty sad that the 24hr "news" media and others are constantly gushing and drooling about "african-American" - as if that means anything. It doesn't, he's not "african-American" - he's American. Why is it that some people seem to WANT to look at race depending on the positivity or negativity of it? IMO, his Inauguration is no more "historic" than any other inauguration.

You can't possibly, even remotely believe its not historic? No one can be that detached from reality. Can they?

Reading comprehension FTL. morAn.

Its not about reading comprehension.

Yes it is. Nowhere did I stated that I "believe its not historic" like you tried to claim. You obviously didn't read what I've written - or did and FAILED to comprehend.

Quit being an Idiot.

The only idiots here are those who tried to claim I suggested it wasn't historic when I clearly stated no such thing. So please don't be an idiot apologist...

Cad, I have been through this with you before, so I believe I can shed some light ...

First, i do agree with you, it shouldnt be a big deal that he is black. I also see that you did not say it wasnt historical, in fact you said it was...

But in your normal poo-poo on the left methodology, you managed to say it in a condescending, douchebaggy way, in order to minimize the importance of it. That is why you are being called an idiot, not because of anything else.

I think it is far more important than most inaugurations... Because he is black ? No. Because he is a new way of thinking and a brilliant man, coming in at a time when our last president left the country in a deep, deep hole economically, and politically. We need one hell of a leader to undo what Bush did, and THAT is why its more important than most others.

The fact that he is black and he still won the election isn't surprising to me... Racism exists in this country, but racists are a minority now. The only reason I like that he is black is because those narrow minded racists hate it... that makes me happy =)
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: retrospooty
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: loki8481
I mean, we elected the best person for the job... isn't that what normal people should do? I guess I just don't grok why people doing the right thing is such a big deal.

Yeah, it's pretty sad that the 24hr "news" media and others are constantly gushing and drooling about "african-American" - as if that means anything. It doesn't, he's not "african-American" - he's American. Why is it that some people seem to WANT to look at race depending on the positivity or negativity of it? IMO, his Inauguration is no more "historic" than any other inauguration.

You can't possibly, even remotely believe its not historic? No one can be that detached from reality. Can they?

Reading comprehension FTL. morAn.

Its not about reading comprehension.

Yes it is. Nowhere did I stated that I "believe its not historic" like you tried to claim. You obviously didn't read what I've written - or did and FAILED to comprehend.

Quit being an Idiot.

The only idiots here are those who tried to claim I suggested it wasn't historic when I clearly stated no such thing. So please don't be an idiot apologist...

Cad, I have been through this with you before, so I believe I can shed some light ...

First, i do agree with you, it shouldnt be a big deal that he is black. I also see that you did not say it wasnt historical, in fact you said it was...

But in your normal poo-poo on the left methodology, you managed to say it in a condescending, douchebaggy way, in order to minimize the importance of it. That is why you are being called an idiot, not because of anything else.

I think it is far more important than most inaugurations... Because he is black ? No. Because he is a new way of thinking and a brilliant man, coming in at a time when our last president left the country in a deep, deep hole economically, and politically. We need one hell of a leader to undo what Bush did, and THAT is why its more important than most others.

The fact that he is black and he still won the election isn't surprising to me... Racism exists in this country, but racists are a minority now. The only reason I like that he is black is because those narrow minded racists hate it... that makes me happy =)

I can not help your over-sensitivity to my posts.

The second part is nothing but political rhetoric and there are MANY Americans who do not see it as you do. He is a politician and some of us seem to realize that and do not think he's anything special.
 

retrospooty

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: retrospooty
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: loki8481
I mean, we elected the best person for the job... isn't that what normal people should do? I guess I just don't grok why people doing the right thing is such a big deal.

Yeah, it's pretty sad that the 24hr "news" media and others are constantly gushing and drooling about "african-American" - as if that means anything. It doesn't, he's not "african-American" - he's American. Why is it that some people seem to WANT to look at race depending on the positivity or negativity of it? IMO, his Inauguration is no more "historic" than any other inauguration.

You can't possibly, even remotely believe its not historic? No one can be that detached from reality. Can they?

Reading comprehension FTL. morAn.

Its not about reading comprehension.

Yes it is. Nowhere did I stated that I "believe its not historic" like you tried to claim. You obviously didn't read what I've written - or did and FAILED to comprehend.

Quit being an Idiot.

The only idiots here are those who tried to claim I suggested it wasn't historic when I clearly stated no such thing. So please don't be an idiot apologist...

Cad, I have been through this with you before, so I believe I can shed some light ...

First, i do agree with you, it shouldnt be a big deal that he is black. I also see that you did not say it wasnt historical, in fact you said it was...

But in your normal poo-poo on the left methodology, you managed to say it in a condescending, douchebaggy way, in order to minimize the importance of it. That is why you are being called an idiot, not because of anything else.

I think it is far more important than most inaugurations... Because he is black ? No. Because he is a new way of thinking and a brilliant man, coming in at a time when our last president left the country in a deep, deep hole economically, and politically. We need one hell of a leader to undo what Bush did, and THAT is why its more important than most others.

The fact that he is black and he still won the election isn't surprising to me... Racism exists in this country, but racists are a minority now. The only reason I like that he is black is because those narrow minded racists hate it... that makes me happy =)

I can not help your over-sensitivity to my posts.

The second part is nothing but political rhetoric and there are MANY Americans who do not see it as you do. He is a politician and some of us seem to realize that and do not think he's anything special.

MMM.... Fine, some of that is rhetoric... LEt me now stick to the facts only.

Obama is "coming in at a time when our last president left the country in a deep, deep hole economically, and politically. We need one hell of a leader to undo what Bush did, and THAT is why its more important than most others."

Now, he may or may not be up to to the task. I believe he is... Either way you cannot possibly say that Bush didn't leave us in a deep hole and that this one is far more important than most others, because most other inaug's are not is such desperate times.
 

dwell

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I roll my eyes every time I hear "This historic event". TTBOMK there's never been a Jewish president, Italian-American president, Hispanic president, etc.

Every time one of those racial groups become president, will it too be a "historic event"?
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: Chris
I roll my eyes every time I hear "This historic event". TTBOMK there's never been a Jewish president, Italian-American president, Hispanic president, etc.

Every time one of those racial groups become president, will it too be a "historic event"?

Yes. Just as a first woman as President will be and the first Catholic as President was.
 

mooseracing

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Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
I, for one, welcome our new half-white president overlord.

I think 99% of all his voters and Zombies have forgotten he has white in him even :disgust:
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: mooseracing
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
I, for one, welcome our new half-white president overlord.

I think 99% of all his voters and Zombies have forgotten he has white in him even :disgust:

Probably because it doesn't matter, as race is a made up social construct anyway. If you saw him walking down the street, you would say he was black. Therefore, he's black.
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: mooseracing
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
I, for one, welcome our new half-white president overlord.

I think 99% of all his voters and Zombies have forgotten he has white in him even :disgust:

"I just know'd he was white inside."
 

NetGuySC

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It is historic in that it is proof that racism is now a thing of the past in America,
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: NetGuySC
It is historic in that it is proof that racism is now a thing of the past in America,

Nah, we still got Hispanics to abuse.
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
From the OP-

I mean, we elected the best person for the job... isn't that what normal people should do? I guess I just don't grok why people doing the right thing is such a big deal.

Why?

History, on several different levels, starting with 400 years of slavery and the justification for it- basically that blacks were inferior, and that anybody who had black lineage was inferior, and could be enslaved- they bore the biblical mark of Cain, and carried that original sin with them down through the ages.

That context is explored at depth in this book, highly recommended -

http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Ger...ordinary/dp/0871139219

That's 20 generations of prejudice being overcome, no small matter, at all.

And then there's the historical exploitation of that sentiment, first by the Dixiecrats, and later by republicans in their adoption of the southern strategy in the wake of the civil rights movement. Righties are free, of course, to bullshit themselves wrt that- right now, they're bullshitting themselves wrt most everything, so there's no point in making denial anything less than total...

Despite attempts to minimize the event, Obama's inauguration will be historic on a level that probably won't be fully understood until some time in the future, maybe by our children or grandchildren. His election was, in many ways, a referendum on the whole issue of race in America, and we seem to have passed the test, shown just how far we've come in that regard. His victories in Virginia and N Carolina are no small thing, either, leaving the forces of so-called social conservatism trying to cope with a new reality, one they'll have even more difficulty addressing in a meaningful way...

I never knew that slavery existed in the US starting in 1463.