is anyone else over the whole first black president thing?

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racolvin

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Never cared about it to begin with but I'm certainly tired of hearing about it.

If I thought the guy running for president would actually work to FIX things I wouldn't care if he had 3 arms, two heads, and called himself "Phil"
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Why does 50% black make someone black, but 50% white doesn't make someone white? :confused:

self-identification? it's kinda like transsexuals referring to themselves with female pronouns because they see themselves as female.

edit: wrong word

If he were in the South 50 years ago he would not be able to ride at the front of the bus. Our society for the most part has pushed him into identifying with his black heritage more so then his white heritage because of the way he looks. Yes people do judge based on looks and frankly Obama does not look white at all. Not even a little bit aside from his light ( for a black guy ) complexion.
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: Zebo
I never cared in the sense of race but can totally understand why it holds a great deal of importance to many considering AA experience. I am proud of America that we did it - many other counties it would be unthinkable. But then again America is truly blessed by something so it did not surprise me in the least.:thumbsup:

Now lets gets to work!

Really? South Africa had a black president way before we did. I say its about time someone other then a White Protestant got elected to the post. At the same time the eloquent speeches are getting old fast and the time to take real action and make sound decisions is fast approaching.
 

cwjerome

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Being a history teacher I think it's kind of neat. I've been out of the news loop a lot, but I'm sure a person can get sick of it fast. In just a few minutes of FoxNews I saw about 3 days ago, they were all nonstop giddy and bubbly... I can just imagine the cable circuit as a whole.

It is historic.
 

tk149

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I am much more impressed by the fact that his father was an immigrant, than by his race. THIS is the American Dream more than anything else to a lot of would-be immigrants: A better life for their children.

This inauguration would be a lot more historic, if not one word was said about race. THAT would truly be historical.

I do wonder how many people voted FOR Obama because of his lineage. Sadly, I doubt that number is insubstantial.
 

Jhhnn

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Originally posted by: brandonbull
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
From the OP-

I mean, we elected the best person for the job... isn't that what normal people should do? I guess I just don't grok why people doing the right thing is such a big deal.

Why?

History, on several different levels, starting with 400 years of slavery and the justification for it- basically that blacks were inferior, and that anybody who had black lineage was inferior, and could be enslaved- they bore the biblical mark of Cain, and carried that original sin with them down through the ages.

That context is explored at depth in this book, highly recommended -

http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Ger...ordinary/dp/0871139219

That's 20 generations of prejudice being overcome, no small matter, at all.

And then there's the historical exploitation of that sentiment, first by the Dixiecrats, and later by republicans in their adoption of the southern strategy in the wake of the civil rights movement. Righties are free, of course, to bullshit themselves wrt that- right now, they're bullshitting themselves wrt most everything, so there's no point in making denial anything less than total...

Despite attempts to minimize the event, Obama's inauguration will be historic on a level that probably won't be fully understood until some time in the future, maybe by our children or grandchildren. His election was, in many ways, a referendum on the whole issue of race in America, and we seem to have passed the test, shown just how far we've come in that regard. His victories in Virginia and N Carolina are no small thing, either, leaving the forces of so-called social conservatism trying to cope with a new reality, one they'll have even more difficulty addressing in a meaningful way...

I never knew that slavery existed in the US starting in 1463.

Thanks for the correction. Spanish slavers began taking native americans as slaves in florida and surrounding areas almost immediately after the discovery of the New World. Ponce DeLeon did so in 1513, and the practice continued for a very long time, even as the Spanish and Portugese began importing african slaves to replace the less-hardy natives. Slavery existed in what were Spanish possessions (Florida, Louisiana) from the very beginning. Blacks were being brought from Africa for that purpose within the first 50 years or so... meaning that, if you want to nitpick, 300 years would be more accurate. The first recorded sale of slaves in what were British colonies occurred in Virginia in 1619, so that makes 246 years, 1619-1865, followed by another 99 years of Jim Crow in the South... quasi-slavery.

None of which really changes the original point, even though you'd obviously prefer to ignore it on the basis of technicality...
 

sactoking

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Eh, Obama's inauguration will be nothing special. The 'significance' lies in the fact that too many people can't see past 'Black' to see that he's just a person. If the color of his skin lends extra significance to the event in your eyes, then that's your issue to deal with.

 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Wait, he's black? Why didn't anyone say so?

By his own admission, only 1/2. What about the other 1/2 ? Why is that not significant as well ?
 

Lemon law

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We can stupidly look at the Presidential election of 2008 as a contest against a boring white guy, and a democratic woman, and a democratic black man. Why trade a black guy for a white woman, historical precedents either one, an era of change dictates the boring white guy must lose because we therefore must select some minority, any minority, nothing else will purge the American soul. So the American people all held hands and resolved to elect a minority?????????????????

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa, I do not think so.

At the end of the day, Obama was elected because he happened to convince the American people that he was the best person for the job. End of story.

And tomorrow the Obama legacy will start to be put to the test. Having black, white, green, yellow, cyan, or magenta skin pigments will not help him a bit in the challenging job he undertakes. IMHO, we selected Obama because he happened to be the person with the best plan. Just the way the cookie happened to crumble in 2008.

Oh, BTW, slavery in what is now the USA started long before 1942, European slavery in the new world started in Columbus's first landing in 1492. Human slavery is a far older institution.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: Lemon law


And tomorrow the Obama legacy will start to be put to the test. .

ALREADY? I guess I better get down to see my bookie tommorrow. Heh.
 

Jhhnn

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From LL-

At the end of the day, Obama was elected because he happened to convince the American people that he was the best person for the job. End of story.

I quite agree. OTOH, the fact that he could, despite his ancestry, truly signifies a profound shift in terms of American perception and practice.

We've come a long way, and there will always be room to improve upon that, to create the more perfect Union Obama has referred to many times.
 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: loki8481
I mean, we elected the best person for the job... isn't that what normal people should do? I guess I just don't grok why people doing the right thing is such a big deal.

He was elected for the color of his skin, not the content of his character.


Tomorrow is being hyped as some symbolic moment when the truth is the only reason this much attention is being focused is because he is black. King must be rolling in his grave....
 

Jhhnn

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: loki8481
I mean, we elected the best person for the job... isn't that what normal people should do? I guess I just don't grok why people doing the right thing is such a big deal.

He was elected for the color of his skin, not the content of his character.


Tomorrow is being hyped as some symbolic moment when the truth is the only reason this much attention is being focused is because he is black. King must be rolling in his grave....

That's one of the lamest bits of sophistry ever posted on this forum- no surprise, considering the source.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: loki8481
I mean, we elected the best person for the job... isn't that what normal people should do? I guess I just don't grok why people doing the right thing is such a big deal.

He was elected for the color of his skin, not the content of his character.


Tomorrow is being hyped as some symbolic moment when the truth is the only reason this much attention is being focused is because he is black. King must be rolling in his grave....

That's one of the lamest bits of sophistry ever posted on this forum- no surprise, considering the source.

No way MLK was a democratic socialist. He'd love this guy Obama except for the whole like to kill babies thing.
 

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It's amusing seeing all these tools on the news saying they are going to DC today to be a part of history and that they will tell their grandkids they were there for Obama's swearing in.

Kind of reminds me of Woodstock '94 where a bunch of wannabes tried to re-create history. Same as these people who think they are back in '64 listening to MLK give the "I have a dream" speech.
 

Modular

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: budafied
While i disagree he was the best for the job, I agree that its way too big of a deal...

The fact is that if racism was not prevalent in America, the fact that he is (half) black would make no difference.
I disagree that racism is prevalent in America today. If it were then Obama wouldn't have been elected in the first place. Even if there was no racism at all it would still make a difference because we can acknowledge the differences in us without it being racist.

I think that the real question is this: now that he's been elected, can the "minorities" stop crying racism and can it be as much of a non-issue to them as it is to the Caucasian populace of the United States? Or is it too instilled in them through their families and activists like the "Reverend" and his cronies? There will be no regime change when it comes to race in this country until those who claim racism actually let it go and realize that its over. But that means that they would have to find a new way to identify themselves...let's see if it's possible, although I highly doubt it.
 

DukeN

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: classy
Tuesday will be one the most defining moments in the history of the planet. The US is the most powerful nation on earth. Racism that included hangings, rapes, and all kinds of stuff that occured regularly only 50 years or so ago happened in this very nation... Regardless of politics, religion, color, ethnic background, or where ever you live on this planet, Tuesday is historic. So much so it goes beyond just US history, this will be world history. He may turn out good or bad, but the importance of the day is undeniable.

color me denying the importance. I just don't get it. one sorta black guy got elected... Tuesday afternoon, after the swearing in ceremony, the world is going to be fundamentally unchanged. racism will still exist, the history of civil rights will still be what it is. the serious problems facing some black communities will still be serious and still be problems and still be largely ignored by the establishment.

the democrats could have nominated Adolf Hitler in 2008 and still won the election, which makes me skeptic of whether the election even said anything important about the state of race n Amercia.

You are writing off the importance in a nonchalant way, as if it doesn't matter to you, which it probably doesn't. This won't change the past, but it can give a lot of people in a very oppressed mindset a different type of role model to aspire to.

By the way Adolf Hitler would not have won. Neither would Mussolini, or Stalin. Nor anyone who wasn't Christian.

And as you have proven, people are still indifferent to the topic of racism in America. You may be sick of the media coverage in the media of the event, but to be write off the importance of a person of colour being elected to the highest office only shows your inherent mindset of indifference.
 

Duddy

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Originally posted by: budafied
While i disagree he was the best for the job, I agree that its way too big of a deal...

The fact is that if racism was not prevalent in America, the fact that he is (half) black would make no difference.

Racism is a huge issue in America. We have too many retarded backwoods rednecks.
 

Starbuck1975

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Racism is a huge issue in America. We have too many retarded backwoods rednecks.
We have too many people of every race, color, gender and religion unable to look past their own demographic...racism in America is not exclusive to white people.