Yes, anyone with common sense could tell you any work of fiction has bias. But that doesn't mean that no ideas worth discussing can come from it. That's all he's trying to do and I don't understand your negative attitude about a reasonable discussion. Furthermore, the show last night was about a debate where the politicians actaully held a real debate (not the mockery of a debate we currently get). How can that be bad?
Yes, anyone with common sense could tell you any work of fiction has bias. But that doesn't mean that no ideas worth discussing can come from it. That's all he's trying to do and I don't understand your negative attitude about a reasonable discussion. Furthermore, the show last night was about a debate where the politicians actaully held a real debate (not the mockery of a debate we currently get). How can that be bad?
By "real debate" you mean a fictional and scripted debate on a fantasy TV show? Hey, I'm all for entertainment, but when people start letting their fantasy entertainment molding their ideals and politics - I laugh. It's absurd to think a TV show should be more than entertaiment, unless you advocate activist programming.
Thus the irony of it all, this fictional television show was less scripted than the real debates.
Movies and television are no different from books. They have always, since the beginning saught to educate, inform, and persuade. Some if its very biased, some of its not. But unless you never consider any of the ideas you read, see or hear, then your criticism is unjustified.
And lets be honest here, that show didn't from his opinion of politics. It just presented an idea that he is now looking for more information on by posting here.
Activist programming under the guise of entertainment. Brilliant!
Discussion on issues is great, I support discussion, but to have the entertainment industry drive or push it is funny. It's no different than the so-called news we have today in America. They print/air what they want to air as it suits their activism/bias. Both sides are guilty as I've stated in other threads. Mixing news and entertainment is bad because it blurs the lines of both which does no one any good.
You just described every great work of fiction in history. Are all the ideas contained in them worthless?
There's a huge difference between the news which bills itself as real facts/ non fiction promoting an agenda VS a clearly fictional TV show promoting an agenda.
Quite feeding the troll. It is quite clear he only wants to ruin any reasonable discussion going on in this thread. If he were seriously interested in not being a troll he would stop posting in this thread immediately. But he won't, he will drag this thread on to many more pages as he tries to defend his completely moronic point of view. Everyone here is aware that the show is FICTION, that's not the point. The point is that the show brings up many relevant issues that many feel are worth discussing. If you don't feel the same way, kindly stop posting and ruining this thread Shades.
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Ya know you didn't even see this program and yet you are labeling it "Activism". :roll:Frankly I think it was totally the opposite of any activism what so ever. What it did do was have actors portray candidates debating the major differences in political philosophies of the parties in a very fair and I might say appealing way. In fact I would go on further to say that the Republican Candidate Character played by Alan Alda described the Republican view better than any of the prominent Republican Politicians have lately and light years better than Bush ever could. He definately wasn't a stiff assholish Cheney.
Huh? Whats the point of this thread?
In the real debates last year bushco made himself look silly and out of his depth, whats wrong with TV actually reflecting the real world in an accurate manner?
In the real debates last year bushco made himself look silly and out of his depth, whats wrong with TV actually reflecting the real world in an accurate manner?
Oh, I see, but why do they care? they got what they wanted, another 4 years to rob the country, who cares if bushco makes himself look like a fool?
I like that Republican, Alan Alda's, answer to what will help Africa, Tax cuts. What did you guys think of that? Is it true? Is it tv fiction?
His answer was that all our debt relief and charity won't help very much but that tax cuts for the poor would help build capital and help build their infrastructure, health care, and encourage economic development? That the reason they have high taxes is to prove to the Western world that they can repay their debts. And that by doing both debt relief and urging them to cut taxes, it will help them more than our charity ever will?
His answer was that all our debt relief and charity won't help very much but that tax cuts for the poor would help build capital and help build their infrastructure, health care, and encourage economic development? That the reason they have high taxes is to prove to the Western world that they can repay their debts. And that by doing both debt relief and urging them to cut taxes, it will help them more than our charity ever will?
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The african thing was really interesting, I can't imagine that discussion ever taking place in a national presidential debate, which is unfortunate.
The bullet thing was really dumb
The medicare thing was interesting, and hopefully some serious debate would be sparked as a result of the portrayal of this issue (ShadesofGrey aside...)
The debate of ideologies was what this really was about. I found that I liked more of what the republican had to say than the democrat. At one point, even Santos made a comment to the audience, "Not to sound Alarmist but..." and I immediately thought...TOO LATE.
The bullet thing was really dumb
The medicare thing was interesting, and hopefully some serious debate would be sparked as a result of the portrayal of this issue (ShadesofGrey aside...)
The debate of ideologies was what this really was about. I found that I liked more of what the republican had to say than the democrat. At one point, even Santos made a comment to the audience, "Not to sound Alarmist but..." and I immediately thought...TOO LATE.
Originally posted by: OrByte
The african thing was really interesting, I can't imagine that discussion ever taking place in a national presidential debate, which is unfortunate.
The bullet thing was really dumb
The medicare thing was interesting, and hopefully some serious debate would be sparked as a result of the portrayal of this issue (ShadesofGrey aside...)
The debate of ideologies was what this really was about. I found that I liked more of what the republican had to say than the democrat. At one point, even Santos made a comment to the audience, "Not to sound Alarmist but..." and I immediately thought...TOO LATE.
That's true. Another interesting point was the stuff about head start. I had no idea that by 5th grade kids on head start did no better than those not on head start. In addition, I didn't realize that the fed only contributes about 7 cents of every dollar spent on education.
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Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: OrByte
The african thing was really interesting, I can't imagine that discussion ever taking place in a national presidential debate, which is unfortunate.
The bullet thing was really dumb
The medicare thing was interesting, and hopefully some serious debate would be sparked as a result of the portrayal of this issue (ShadesofGrey aside...)
The debate of ideologies was what this really was about. I found that I liked more of what the republican had to say than the democrat. At one point, even Santos made a comment to the audience, "Not to sound Alarmist but..." and I immediately thought...TOO LATE.
That's true. Another interesting point was the stuff about head start. I had no idea that by 5th grade kids on head start did no better than those not on head start. In addition, I didn't realize that the fed only contributes about 7 cents of every dollar spent on education.
yeah the education exchange was interesting but I didnt like either "candidates" plan. The Demo wanted to implement "ideas" and the Repub didnt say much of anything about education. At least with the health insurance issue an option was thrown out there for people to talk about.
Education, imho, there are no easy answers. I think the problem is more a social issue than economic issue or anything else, but I dont know anywhere near enough to rant philosophical about it.
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I personally don't think wish the West Wing was reality. Are there people who do? Probably, but are there people on the right who wish fighting terrorism was like a Bruce Willis movie? Probably
Some people just can't deal with reality, and television is a nice break from it. But there is a line.
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