Is AMD really faster?

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: dmens
Looks like you're too retarded to line up your own chain of thought... here's a simple illustration:

I say FUD...Intel faster??? Perhaps...10:1??? No way.. However we all know how INtel does crooked business...hence as in stated in AMD lawsuit...

FUD dismissal to "crooked business" on the next line. Pretty clear cut implication there.

Since you're talking about the lawsuit, sounds like the AMD counsel is acting the fool confusing the judge by including a complaint of perfectly legal "unfriendly business tactics". Yet more proof the whole thing is a showboat, LOL.

The only one who is retarded is our unfriendly resident INtel idiot..<insert your name>

Look at how after I say "No Way"...now follow me cause I know you are dense...

I start with a CAPITAL...new sentence in case you didn't know....I say crooked business and then hence....Hmmmm!!! Genius that means those 2 sentences are together...I am only stating crooked business with the compiler issue of the lawsuit....

Also note my disclaimer after linking sites with articles about the compiler issue...just throwing out a possible explanation...

NO where did I say Intel is repsponsible for this FUD...The article is likely FUD due to only the 10:1 statement, not that an Intel laptop could be faster. I have an intel laptop and I think it is damn fast....

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
oh no, you people have awakend the Intel God. Dmens to the rescue.

If he is the god, then it is quite evident what the heck happened to INtel over the last few years!!!!!

 

[openwheelformula1]

LMAO.

Dmens, in the TDP thread, you haven't posted after my last. Kind of hard to argue with "denial" huh. LOL. If it makes you feel better, my new employer ordered me a brand new Core Duo laptop. However I don't think I'll have time to do viral marketing like you.

 

[dmens]

HAHA, you're arguing punctuation now? You have the worst sentence construction ever. What's up with capitalizing two letters instead of one?

It's okay, I forgive you, since you admitted to randomly drifting off topic onto the lawsuit issue for pretty much no reason whatsoever.

openwheel: That's because I'm waiting for a real response.

 

[imported_Doughboy]

wow, this post has gotten out of hand... is there really any need for name calling? We're talking about CPUs here, not captial punishment or abortion laws.

I like the fact that Intel & AMD exist, competition is gooooooood for consumers. love it!

P.S. I hate the Fan boys! either side.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

The only part that sounds like FUD is the 10:1 ratio used to describe the performance vista between Turion and PM in that excel app.

The rest of the story, while it may very well be fabricated, is of course possible any way you look at it.

No names, dates, or locations are mentioned in the story. It could be complete bunk for all we know. It's also warped by the perceptions of all the individuals who supposedly viewed this Pentium M vs Turion showdown at a "major retail store". They didn't even name the store.

It sounds generic and contrived to me. I'd like to see the source.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Doughboy
wow, this post has gotten out of hand...

Yes, thanks to your flamebait post. Got a source for this testimonial?

 

[openwheelformula1]

lol dmens. Ok ok I'll give it to you. Intel's netburst is very efficient. Netburst provides better performance with low power consumption. Intel and AMD's TDP ratings reflect exactly their power consumption characteristics. Much better than AMD's architecture. Hail to the superior Intel engineer who has lots of time for viral marketing. Happy birthday, Merry Christmans and happy anniversity (you and Intel). LMAO.

 

[Effect]

Originally posted by: Doughboy
wow, this post has gotten out of hand... is there really any need for name calling? We're talking about CPUs here, not captial punishment or abortion laws.

I like the fact that Intel & AMD exist, competition is gooooooood for consumers. love it!

P.S. I hate the Fan boys! either side.

Heh, capital punishment has nothing on intel vs AMD...
Some people need to realise that Intel has been in (and focusing on) the notebook business for a while, and the AMD > Intel thing doesn't necessary apply there. That being said, AMD isn't sitting back, they're becoming more competitive in the notebook market.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Is AMD really faster?

For desktops: yes
For laptops: no, but the difference is gray compared to the black and white decision between getting a P4/PD vs. A64/X2

Although laptop CPUs have several other attributes you should really consider, perhaps even moreso than if its "faster". In fact, the PM isn't heads and tails faster, and the Turion can keep up really well, however the PM is just such a solid all around mobile CPU its hard to beat, not because its faster, but because its fast and its easy on the batteries.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Anybody can post anything on the internet, thats a bunch of crap. I have a Turion laptop, and it screams.

anybody can be a fool on the internet also...
In this case Intel wins!!
Deal with it.....

 

[AkumaX]

I'm running the same Excel scripts off of my Pentium-M and Turion like the people in the OP, and I can say that markfw900 is wrong; the P-M is outperforming the Turion 20 to 1!!!!

Also, Pentium-M's make the Internet much faster on the Intel laptop, I'm using AOL Dial-up and it is 50 times faster than my Turion with "high-speed" cable internet. All the l33t hax0rz use AOL.

- always in your heart, fattyksu, Dothan, porkster, and Intelia

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Doughboy
wow, this post has gotten out of hand... is there really any need for name calling? We're talking about CPUs here, not captial punishment or abortion laws.

I like the fact that Intel & AMD exist, competition is gooooooood for consumers. love it!

P.S. I hate the Fan boys! either side.

It has indeed. In answer to your implied question, the story is complete hogwash...unless somebody HAS changed the laws of physics...?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Doughboy
wow, this post has gotten out of hand... is there really any need for name calling? We're talking about CPUs here, not captial punishment or abortion laws.

I like the fact that Intel & AMD exist, competition is gooooooood for consumers. love it!

P.S. I hate the Fan boys! either side.

It has indeed. In answer to your implied question, the story is complete hogwash...unless somebody HAS changed the laws of physics...?

All you know is that 10:1 is hogwash. Not the whole story which you can't know if it is hogwash or not. Anyone can see that 10:1 is an unrealistic ratio, but Pentium M's are very powerful CPU's and the benefit of the doubt can be given to them.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Intc is spending like a drunken sailor on the latest media blitz. Damned impressive one too, Mariah, Elija, ect. The point? Doesn't matter if AMD is faster, if everyone is buying a Duo notebook because that is what they are being conditioned to do by their overlord, the zombie box.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

All you know is that 10:1 is hogwash. Not the whole story which you can't know if it is hogwash or not. Anyone can see that 10:1 is an unrealistic ratio, but Pentium M's are very powerful CPU's and the benefit of the doubt can be given to them.

That's just wishfull thinking keys...there is no way on Earth that there was enough of a difference to actually see it between the 2. It's all hogwash!

 

[FelixDeCat]

Intel owns joo!

/thread

(AMD desktops are faster until the first Conroe ships. Laptops have long been INTC territory, where amd fears to tread. )

 

[imported_Doughboy]

I think I found this "text" on someones blog somewhere, seems like a fairly honest testimonial to me (that's why I posted it). It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that Intel has "optimized" instruction code for Office applications... and if that's what it takes to get the job done I personally don't care. Some people will scream about Intel's business practices, but the last time I check the CPU industry (as well as GPU) were a VERY competitive markets. It's not uncommom for any company to try to get a leg up by "optimizing" their product to perform better for a widely used piece of Software. all the cool kids are doing it.

 

[Avalon]

You know dmens is getting out of line when even Felix won't bother to poke fun at AMD. Vote for locking this garbage.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

I love you Felixedecat. You have admitted that AMD has superior desktop cpus now that Conroe six months out shows superior performance (in a closed test) , of course we won't really know until the chips are released but you are able to hang your hat (cat in a hat I looove it) on speculative performance on a cpu.

The whole Excel thing is FUD simple and true. The Pentium M's may be a little faster clock to clock but otherwise this is all FUD.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: Doughboy
I think I found this "text" on someones blog somewhere, seems like a fairly honest testimonial to me (that's why I posted it). It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that Intel has "optimized" instruction code for Office applications... and if that's what it takes to get the job done I personally don't care. Some people will scream about Intel's business practices, but the last time I check the CPU industry (as well as GPU) were a VERY competitive markets. It's not uncommom for any company to try to get a leg up by "optimizing" their product to perform better for a widely used piece of Software. all the cool kids are doing it.

The entire problem is that there are no full specs listed for the systems, and there is clearly something wrong, the only way the 1.6 pentium-m system was 10 times faster is if it was using a fast hard drive, the turion was using a slow hard drive, and was either running at a lower clock speed do to cool and quiet, or due to power savings features. Any reasonable person would realize there is clearly something out of wack with the entire situation. Floating point performance of the pentium-m is well known to be slightly behind both netburst and A64 performance. It's also highly unlikely that microsoft excel was optimized for the pentium-m, if it was optimized for intel, it would have been for netburst. The entire sitation is flawed. By the way I know exactly where you found that blog...

 

[Duvie]

124. Intel?s compilers are designed to perform specialized types of optimizations that
are particularly advantageous for ISVs developing software programs that rely heavily upon
floating point or vectorized mathematical calculations. Such programs include, for example,
mathematical modeling, multimedia, and video game applications.
125. Intel has designed its compiler purposely to degrade performance when a program
is run on an AMD platform. To achieve this, Intel designed the compiler to compile code
along several alternate code paths. Some paths are executed when the program runs on an Intel
platform and others are executed when the program is operated on a computer with an AMD
microprocessor. (The choice of code path is determined when the program is started, using a
feature known as ?CPUID? which identifies the computer?s microprocessor.) By design, the
code paths were not created equally. If the program detects a ?Genuine Intel? microprocessor,
it executes a fully optimized code path and operates with the maximum efficiency. However,
if the program detects an ?Authentic AMD? microprocessor, it executes a different code path
that will degrade the program?s performance or cause it to crash.
41
126. ISVs are forced to choose between Intel?s compilers, which degrade the
performance of their software when operated with AMD microprocessors, or third-party
compilers, which do not contain Intel?s particular optimizations. Sadly for AMD and its
customers, for legitimate reasons Intel?s compilers appeal to certain groups of ISVs, especially
those developing software programs that rely heavily on floating point and vectorized math
calculations. Unbeknownst to them, performance of their programs is degraded when run on
an AMD microprocessor not because of design deficiencies on the part of AMD, but
deviousness on the part of Intel.


This is listed from the Lawsuit....I never said it was illegal like DuhMen suggested...I said let the courts decide....I think as the lawsuit has laid out, this has been normal MO of Intel since IBM handed this stuff off in 1984....Previous wins by AMDs in the courts in the early 90's reaffrim this consistency of conduct...

I only throw this out as one possibility to the article listed above....Would it make a 10:1 difference?? I dont know for sure...I have heard about this and examples were sometimes large but 10:1 is pretty huge. I could believe the 10:1 was an exaggeration though and nobody really quantified it...


I also stated I have no doubt that a Pentium-M, whether it be Dothan or centrino base can beat a Turion in apps....I firmly believe it...10:1 defies logic knowing about each processors architecture...It makes more sense that something else is borking it and AMD's claim came to mind as why it seems "optimized" for the Intel laptop...

 

[Bull Dog]

This is a bunch of nausating FUD.

One of my friends, a stock analyst, was working on a Microsoft (MS) Excel* program to analyze some stock indicators. She had an Intel Pentium® III laptop with about 512MB RAM. She was able to run the program for a few stocks, but it stalled whenever she tried to run it with more than 70 stock tickers. She asked me for help in looking into the problem. I tried to run the same program on my personal laptop which is a Pentium M 1.6 GHz with 512 MB RAM. Surprisingly the program ran and completed in two minutes. Based on these results, she decided to upgrade to a newer laptop.

Good for her.

She went to a major retail chain store and she was flooded with sales people pushing her to buy an AMD-based laptop, She was given all kinds of reasons?the AMD chip is more powerful than any Intel processor out there, and the upcoming Windows Vista OS* which will be a 64-bit OS, and the x64 AMD chip would make an easy transition to the new OS.

Flooded? Sounds fishy to be. And besides you should know that store people generally know diddly squat about anything. Making the blanket statement that AMD is more powerful than any AMD chip out there is bull ******. Especially when we are talking about moble processors. Intel is quite good in that department and they offer a very competitive product. Turion MTs and Pentium Ms are basically well matched processors for performnace-per-clock and power consumption.

She took the bait and did buy an AMD Turion with 1GB RAM. Now the fun started. She loaded the machine with MS Office and started running the Excel macro. To her surprise the macro never passed the fifteenth stock ticker even after 30 minutes of running. In pretty much a frustrated state, she called me up and asked my help in looking in to it.

Writer shows his blatent bias here. What brand laptop did she buy? What processor? Model #?

I tried to compare the machine stats such as process utilization, memory usage, and memory paging side by side on my Pentium M laptop and her AMD Turion. Both were maxing out the processor utilization and both were using about 300MB of memory, but my Pentium M had 720 threads running and her AMD Turion had 310 threads. We were really curious, because supposedly the Turion outperformed the Pentium M.

There's a sucker born everyday. What? You think a Turion running at 1.4GHz will outperform a Pentium M running at 2.23GHz?

Finally we decided to take both our laptops back to the chain store and get them checked out by the techies out there.

Right like the techies who know didly squat are going to be able to help......:disgust:

At the store, my friend called to the floor manager in the laptop section. We explained what we were seeing with the program on our laptops. The techies started to explain to us that AMD processors are way better than Intel?s and that they beat Intel processors in every aspect.

If they were really "techies" then they wouldn't be saying that. MORON!

The manager pulled in a customer who was vouching that he would not buy anything but AMD because they were such awesome machines. So we opened both our laptops and started the Excel macro on our laptops simultaneously. Soon a small crowd gathered around us to see what was going on.

Ah thats nice......an AMD fanboy and a anti-AMD publicity stunt.

My Intel Pentium pretty much crushed the AMD Turion in running the macro. The techie was in disbelief. He started saying that there might be something else running on the AMD machine slowing it down, so he uninstalled the virus scan and removed everything that could be safely removed. We then did the same test and the results were the same?my Intel Pentium laptop out performed the AMD Turion by at least 10 to 1.

We've already established that the "techie" is a stupid moron who can't figure out the difference between a jackass and a donkey (There isn't one). The benchmarks are illrelevent until both laptops are given fresh installs of windows. Otherwise, there is no way to determine if there was something that was installed which is causing the problem.

The people gathered around were really surprised, as all of them were being sold AMD products by these same techies who weren?t able to explain why the latest AMD Turion was slower than my 8-month-old Pentium M 1.6 GHZ processor.

Again blatent bias. Again, how fast was the Turion running?

Finally another guy came out from the help desk with a probable answer. He said that Microsoft Office was optimized for Intel chips to take advantage of the way Intel chips handle floating point logic, and that AMD was faster in processing speed either way. Before I could ask, a person from the crowd who said he is a business user who uses Excel often, asked them why he would want to buy an AMD for sheer processing power when it would not perform well for the applications that he wants to use his computer for. They didn?t have a good answer for that.

Alright I better cool down here.......the BS factor is starting me rile me up....and you don't what to be anywhere near me when that happens. Repeat after me FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, written by an Intel fanboy.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Doughboy
I think I found this "text" on someones blog somewhere, seems like a fairly honest testimonial to me (that's why I posted it). It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that Intel has "optimized" instruction code for Office applications... and if that's what it takes to get the job done I personally don't care. Some people will scream about Intel's business practices, but the last time I check the CPU industry (as well as GPU) were a VERY competitive markets. It's not uncommom for any company to try to get a leg up by "optimizing" their product to perform better for a widely used piece of Software. all the cool kids are doing it.

I deal with optimized code quite a bit, and even with the most optimized code you can think of, there is no possibility that it was even twice as fast...let alone 10 times faster.
If whoever the mystery blogger is was sincere, then the only possibility I can think of is that the Turion system had background threads running at high priority for some reason and the P-M didn't. The fact that one had 720 and the other half of that says that they weren't configured even close to the same way, and the number of threads is irrelevant compared to their priority. Programs like a virus scan or Java applet running in the background can ruin your whole day on a laptop...

The idiot at the store who told them that Office was "optimised for Intel" comes from a very inferior breeding line (trying to keep it clean here...). It was especially funny to see that he mentioned that Intel's superior FP was the reason (the FP on P-M really sucks wind...it's a good chip, but the FP still sucks).

 

[Hard Ball]

Originally posted by: Doughboy
The text below is copied and pasted from the web.

"One of my friends, a stock analyst, was working on a Microsoft (MS) Excel* program to analyze some stock indicators. She had an Intel Pentium® III laptop with about 512MB RAM. She was able to run the program for a few stocks, but it stalled whenever she tried to run it with more than 70 stock tickers. She asked me for help in looking into the problem. I tried to run the same program on my personal laptop which is a Pentium M 1.6 GHz with 512 MB RAM. Surprisingly the program ran and completed in two minutes. Based on these results, she decided to upgrade to a newer laptop.

She went to a major retail chain store and she was flooded with sales people pushing her to buy an AMD-based laptop, She was given all kinds of reasons?the AMD chip is more powerful than any Intel processor out there, and the upcoming Windows Vista OS* which will be a 64-bit OS, and the x64 AMD chip would make an easy transition to the new OS.

She took the bait and did buy an AMD Turion* with 1GB RAM. Now the fun started. She loaded the machine with MS Office and started running the Excel macro. To her surprise the macro never passed the fifteenth stock ticker even after 30 minutes of running. In pretty much a frustrated state, she called me up and asked my help in looking in to it.

I tried to compare the machine stats such as process utilization, memory usage, and memory paging side by side on my Pentium M laptop and her AMD Turion. Both were maxing out the processor utilization and both were using about 300MB of memory, but my Pentium M had 720 threads running and her AMD Turion had 310 threads. We were really curious, because supposedly the Turion outperformed the Pentium M. Finally we decided to take both our laptops back to the chain store and get them checked out by the techies out there.

At the store, my friend called to the floor manager in the laptop section. We explained what we were seeing with the program on our laptops. The techies started to explain to us that AMD processors are way better than Intel?s and that they beat Intel processors in every aspect. The manager pulled in a customer who was vouching that he would not buy anything but AMD because they were such awesome machines. So we opened both our laptops and started the Excel macro on our laptops simultaneously. Soon a small crowd gathered around us to see what was going on.

My Intel Pentium pretty much crushed the AMD Turion in running the macro. The techie was in disbelief. He started saying that there might be something else running on the AMD machine slowing it down, so he uninstalled the virus scan and removed everything that could be safely removed. We then did the same test and the results were the same?my Intel Pentium laptop out performed the AMD Turion by at least 10 to 1. The people gathered around were really surprised, as all of them were being sold AMD products by these same techies who weren?t able to explain why the latest AMD Turion was slower than my 8-month-old Pentium M 1.6 GHZ processor.

Finally another guy came out from the help desk with a probable answer. He said that Microsoft Office was optimized for Intel chips to take advantage of the way Intel chips handle floating point logic, and that AMD was faster in processing speed either way. Before I could ask, a person from the crowd who said he is a business user who uses Excel often, asked them why he would want to buy an AMD for sheer processing power when it would not perform well for the applications that he wants to use his computer for. They didn?t have a good answer for that."

Very simply to disambiguate whether the story is genuine.

This story cannot be found by google search engiene; and is not anywhere on the web, a search of all of the words in one of the paragraphs does not turn up a single hit on goodle:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%0...HZ+processor.%0D%0A&btnG=Google+Search

And since you didn't give any link at all to the original story, It's more likely than not that you simply made this whole thing up.
So unless you show me a link to the original story, then this came from the figment of your own imagination.

Is this your alternate moniker by anychance, Dothan??