zephyrprime
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Microsoft office is merely office software and given that it's such a performance dog, there's no way that it could possibly contain any special optimizations for any platform. Office is probably compiled with VS2002 or 2003 which allows optimizations for the P6 and Pentium4. The P-M is basically nothing like the P-4. It is much more similiar to the Athlon than to the P4. In a test like this, both the P-M and the Athlon would be sufferring from code that was not specifically optimized for either of them. (however, any optimizations at all are still a world better than no optimizations.)
The P-M is a good chip and could beat the Turion in many situations but a 10x performance difference is ridiculous. The only thing that could possibly be behind such a huge performance discrepency is clock throttling but I doubt even that. This is probably just some more viral marketing.
The OP's post is pure FUD - so they're comparing a Pentium M 1.6 GHz laptop (pretty decent speed) to a Turion of unknown speed. What the heck did they expect? Chances are the Turion is a cheap one, as they sound like they were tricked into believing *any AMD is faster than *any Intel, which is a crock.
The title "Is AMD really faster" is also misleading, this is first of all a battle of notebook chips (where Intel fares WAY better and performance is pretty much equal clock for clock, if not a slight advantage for the Pentium M and its 2MB of cache). On desktops, yes indeed AMD kicks butt until Conroe comes along. On the notebooks, you can find super fast Pentium M's (up to 2.13 GHz) and the new Core Duos, making Intel very attractive.
If they at least knew the specs of the systems they were comparing, this woud be more than just noobie ranting.
The title "Is AMD really faster" is also misleading, this is first of all a battle of notebook chips (where Intel fares WAY better and performance is pretty much equal clock for clock, if not a slight advantage for the Pentium M and its 2MB of cache). On desktops, yes indeed AMD kicks butt until Conroe comes along. On the notebooks, you can find super fast Pentium M's (up to 2.13 GHz) and the new Core Duos, making Intel very attractive.
If they at least knew the specs of the systems they were comparing, this woud be more than just noobie ranting.
Yep, we both do. And Doughboy, you had no right posting it without the original author's knowledge and consent.
I've emailed the original author of that piece to give him a chance to join the discussion. Until that happens (if it does), I wouldn't blame any fanboy who wants to call this a fabrication.
* Not speaking for intel Corp *
Wow what are these forum coming to.....This is first graders in the sandbox stuff compared to other forums on this board...
Keys states Mark's post are crap and mark is said to be the problem.....
I sure hope this has nothing to do with Mark pulling his boxes and all of his thousands of points per day off of team anandtech....
MOds afforded warning to entities here like Intelia, Dothan, fattyksu, etc....Give him a warning if you think he has been doing this consistently...cause the response in here is tame and may seem justified to keys comments...
Enough of my rant!!!!!
I think the thread is closed....
As shown this is FUD...the OP has some explaining or link to provide to prove its source or he should get the ban for starting this torch-fest....
Edited: cause I will Keys the benefit of the doubt...
Can you guys at least PM us so its not completely in the public eye? If it's not allowed to be in the public eye...
GuitarDaddy
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Day-Yum, I nominate this for flamebait of the year thread:disgust:
I see it degenerated to name calling and banage, what a shame. Mods need to be a little more proactive and nip these type threads in the bud. I know they don't have eyes in the back of their heads, and can't monitor every thread but this one is over 18hrs old and was obviously flamebait from the minute it was posted.
Please lock this POS thread
I see it degenerated to name calling and banage, what a shame. Mods need to be a little more proactive and nip these type threads in the bud. I know they don't have eyes in the back of their heads, and can't monitor every thread but this one is over 18hrs old and was obviously flamebait from the minute it was posted.
Please lock this POS thread
I find these quotes the most amusing part of the whole thing...
"She had an Intel Pentium® III laptop with about 512MB RAM. She was able to run the program for a few stocks, but it stalled whenever she tried to run it with more than 70 stock tickers."
"She took the bait and did buy an AMD Turion with 1GB RAM. Now the fun started. She loaded the machine with MS Office and started running the Excel macro. To her surprise the macro never passed the fifteenth stock ticker even after 30 minutes of running."
So I am suposed to believe that not only is a Pentium M is faster than a Turion but a Pentium III is as well, yea right.
"She had an Intel Pentium® III laptop with about 512MB RAM. She was able to run the program for a few stocks, but it stalled whenever she tried to run it with more than 70 stock tickers."
"She took the bait and did buy an AMD Turion with 1GB RAM. Now the fun started. She loaded the machine with MS Office and started running the Excel macro. To her surprise the macro never passed the fifteenth stock ticker even after 30 minutes of running."
So I am suposed to believe that not only is a Pentium M is faster than a Turion but a Pentium III is as well, yea right.
Keysplayr
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Just so everyone knows. I did not report Marks comments to any mod. Either someone else did, or a mod saw it him/herself. Just like I PM'd to Duvie for his post to me, I would have no bones about telling anyone if I "did" report Marks comments.
For the record, I did not. The quote for permanence was so he could not change it and everyone can see what he is really all about. Nothing more.
POst the proof otherwise you are spreading FUD.....
This cannot even be verified as the truth by Intel employees, and they say the author does not want to participate.....Go figure....
To the intel fans who believe this is true time to PUT UP or SHUT UP....
I have a Dell inspiron with a 1.866ghz Dothn Based chip...1gb of DDR2-533....5400rpm drive....
MarkFW900 has a Turion Laptop (his sons) which he believes is1.6ghz...We can do some testing...
Just tell us how and send us a file we will do it side to side....I have excel and can load it on his so it is the same winxp version....
the obvious answer is there is nothing in the architecture of either chip that can support that kind of discrepancy. It doesn't show in other real world apps tested by countless review sites, and knowing what these laptop chips are based on they dont have this type of descrepancy in their respective desktop chip....So if it was true then either the system the AMD had was borked, or in fact as I stated above Intel has borked it through its compiler....
I believe it is likely just a lie....
As I was informed ..... "but the blog belonged to an Intel employee that has somehow made it's way to the front page of Circuits (Intel's internal news network which tries to make all Intel employees feel all giddy about working here). The person who owns the blog is on the front page too"...
Whether illegal or not this has been verified by many of the effects of the compiler.....They wouldn't have listed it unless it was truely happening....whether it is illegal or not, I dont know....
Keysplayr
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Well, I have a 1.73 Dothan Lappy. Anyone with an equivalent clocked Turion Lappy?
Lets have at it. Name your benchie. Or whatever. Oh duh. Forgot I had specs in sig.
Keep in mind I only have 512MB at the moment. 1GB on the way.
P.S. No games if you don't mind. I have no desire to play games anymore let alone just bench them. Just CPU apps will be fine.
Unless we are going to call all the laptop reviews done by the countless review sites lies I think outside of this one macro or compiling app I think we know how they perform against each other....
10x faster or 1000%!! i must have missed those chart at the review sites...
Test the program in question...the rest is a waste...
I trust the integrity of the review sites not some intel employee's blog on a recognized "feel good" company webpage named circuit....
I have the feeling most of them dont fully believe it....
Just a base understanding of the architectures of the chips from the reviews of past should clear up there is no 1000% faster app....even comparing todays cpus versus cpus from 5-6 years ago....
I have a Turion MT-37 (2.0GHz) Laptop with 1GB of DDR333 (why the heck Acer put 333Mhz ram in I'll never know. Find me some easy benchamarks and I'll be happy to run them.
I also have an Acer. I found them to be the best bang for buck. I have the AS5003WLMI. It has a Turion ML-32 1.8 GHz (512KB Cache) 512X2 PC333 DDR, 80GB Hitachi Travelstar 7200RPM, 8MB cache.
My GF has a AS1601 that houses a 1.6 GHz P4M, 512MB DDR2 533. It came with an 80GB 5400RPM drive that broke, when we sent it back to Acer they gave her a 4200RPM drive. We did not like that very much. I will say Acer sticks by their warrantee.
So which is faster between my laptop proc and my GF's????
My GF has a AS1601 that houses a 1.6 GHz P4M, 512MB DDR2 533. It came with an 80GB 5400RPM drive that broke, when we sent it back to Acer they gave her a 4200RPM drive. We did not like that very much. I will say Acer sticks by their warrantee.
So which is faster between my laptop proc and my GF's????
What benchmarks do you have in mind. For laughs eh!!! yeah how about some X64 based bencharks, oh... wait a minute.
Avalon
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I was the one who pointed out this thread to the mods, because I'm getting sick and tired of the obnoxiously rude comments coming out of people here. That the mods took some action is a relief. Maybe the forums will be ever so slightly tamer for a week. :roll:
Keysplayr
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I guess 64-bit benches would be worth it when vista gets here. Or if I used Linux. But for now, most of the worlds end users are 32-bit. So, whadya have in mind?
SuperPi?
Adobe Photoshop? I have version 7
MS Office Apps? I have 2003
ummm.
Any type of media encoding/decoding?
I have no idea, but willing to have fun with it.
I think the ability for alot of the rude posting people to use critical thinking is abcent. Most of remarks are pulled from the asses of the individuals posting them.
Name the bench and I will post em.
Name the bench and I will post em.
Keysplayr
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The CPU forums have been tame for 3 years give or take. Now that Intel supporters/fans have something to look forward to (potentially) it would seem that any display of enthusiasm for Intel is frowned upon, not by all, but many AMD fans in here. Some AMD fans are very cool about it and actually looking forward to change. Others really are having a hard time with it. It doesn't take a lot of effort to just talk about the tech. It takes far more effort to work up witty insults and commentary to simply state what you actually mean instead of the preening peacock shows that go on in here. I am all for better CPU's from both camps, but I have been a steady intel customer for almost 2 decades and with word of Core, and Intels potential comeback, my trend will most likely continue. (Came close to jumping ship for a little while there.)
Get along folks.
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