is amd 490 better than my titanx ?

[Gikaseixas]

A 490 is slower than big Vega, the chances are very very slim to none.
The big Vega would have to be 30% faster than Titan XP for the 490 to even have a chance. The 490 is not even gonna beat a gtx1080, Big Vega might.

Agree 100%
490 faster than Titan X??? No way
Now Fury X successor, that´s another thing altogether

 

[happy medium]

This dual GPU nonsense needs to die, specially when it is based in rumors

I believe when AMD launched Polaris, they themselves said they would be releasing a dual gpu card.

 

[Gikaseixas]

I believe when AMD launched Polaris, they themselves said they would be releasing a dual gpu card.

That wouldn't be smart at all especially with the "not so good DX12 performance in dual GPU configs"

 

[3DVagabond]

Koduri said MI25 is single GPU.

https://twitter.com/GFXChipTweeter/status/808384288530067456

On paper its faster (teraflops). it should be faster under dx12 and vulkan as usual. probably wont OC well enough in the end. probably.

Reasonable evaluation with what we know now.

 

[Dribble]

Why would AMD risk having multi GPU issues in a performance tie that low? I mean, if they´re capable to manufacture a more powerful GPU (MI25) and not having to use two GPUs to achieve a certain performance target, why would they use two for a slower card?

This dual GPU nonsense needs to die, specially when it is based in rumors

I agree no way AMD would release a dual 480 just for the consumer market, they might however have some pro market compute buyers who want it. If they've already done that they might then release a few to the consumer market because they've already done all the work and it's a bit of marketing. Like the Radeon Pro Duo (dual fury card).

 

[ddogg]

Why would AMD risk having multi GPU issues in a performance tie that low? I mean, if they´re capable to manufacture a more powerful GPU (MI25) and not having to use two GPUs to achieve a certain performance target, why would they use two for a slower card?

This dual GPU nonsense needs to die, specially when it is based in rumors

Agreed, I think the 490 is a single GPU. Not sure where this dual GPU rumor came about.

 

[Headfoot]

Agreed, I think the 490 is a single GPU. Not sure where this dual GPU rumor came about.

Its a persistent rumor that has never been true in any generation that never goes away. Remember when some posters were convinced Fury was going to be 2 Tonga GPUs?

There may be a dual GPU card, but it wont be the 490.

 

[bystander36]

Why would AMD risk having multi GPU issues in a performance tie that low? I mean, if they´re capable to manufacture a more powerful GPU (MI25) and not having to use two GPUs to achieve a certain performance target, why would they use two for a slower card?

This dual GPU nonsense needs to die, specially when it is based in rumors

It would be a stop gap while waiting on their bigger dies. Like I said, It's more likely a 490 would be dual then big Vega. It may be more likely to be a single chip, just not Big Vega. My point is the 490 will not be big vega, not that a dual GPU is coming.

 

[happy medium]

Well if the 490 is a dual 480 card,the answer to the op is no.
If the 490 is a small vega card, the answer is no.
The 490 is not big Vega, so the answer is no.

The Titan XP will not be beaten by any such 490.

 

[crisium]

Quite right. The immediate product name above the 480 will not beat the Titan XP. A card that might do that, whether Vega 10, Vega 11, Vega 20 or Navi, will called the Fury XV or RX 590 perhaps.

There's already Vega discussion threads to guess performance. Who actually doubts the naming tiers though? You'd have to figure 2 cards between the 480 and 490. RX 487.5 and RX 483.33? Don't see it. This seems common sense.

 

[happy medium]

Quite right. The immediate product name above the 480 will not beat the Titan XP. A card that might do that, whether Vega 10, Vega 11, Vega 20 or Navi, will called the Fury XV or RX 590 perhaps.

There's already Vega discussion threads to guess performance. Who actually doubts the naming tiers though? You'd have to figure 2 cards between the 480 and 490. RX 487.5 and RX 483.33? Don't see it. This seems common sense.

What if small Vega was a bit slower than a gtx1070? A 490 would fit in between a 480 and small Vega.

Just insert $500 Big Vega at 90%, $350 small Vega at 75%, the $300 490 at 65% and you have the $240 480 at 55%. It works out perfectly.
Insert these in the chart.

 

[Elfear]

What if small Vega was a bit slower than a gtx1070? A 490 would fit in between a 480 and small Vega.

Just insert $500 Big Vega at 90%, $350 small Vega at 75%, the $300 490 at 65% and you have the $240 480 at 55%. It works out perfectly.
Insert these in the chart.

In that case, what would the 490 be then? A higher-clocked Polaris? Isn't the 480 a full Polaris chip meaning anything higher up the stack would have to be a higher-clocked 480 or Vega architecture?

 

[happy medium]

In that case, what would the 490 be then? A higher-clocked Polaris? Isn't the 480 a full Polaris chip meaning anything higher up the stack would have to be a higher-clocked 480 or Vega architecture?

I heard rumors of a Polaris 12.
Mabe a more cut down Vega with gddr5x?

or perhaps Big Vega and small vega are 2 separate chips and they both have a cut down version?
So 2 Vegas make 4 cards?

 

[poofyhairguy]

What if small Vega was a bit slower than a gtx1070?

Just the thought makes me rage.

If AMD still can't beat OCed 980 Ti two years later they need to just get out of the market.

 

[happy medium]

Just the thought makes me rage.

If AMD still can't beat OCed 980 Ti two years later they need to just get out of the market.

Well if small Vega is a 490 and big Vega is a Fury next ,you would have to think that big Vega is not that fast and should compete with a gtx1080.
Small Vega would be the 490 and compete with the gtx1070.
Then both camps would have a large gap between a 480/gtx1060 and small vega/gtx1070.

I don't think AMD competes with the Titan Xp/1080ti this round.
If the big Vega was faster than the gtx1080, the small Vega 490 would be in between a 1080 and 1070, That would leave a massive gap between the 490 and 480. Evan bigger than the gtx1060 and 1070.

If AMD refreshes the Polaris chips and makes them all 10% faster, then we have something here.
The gap between the small Vega 490 and the new rx485 would not be so huge.
Mabe Vega launches in May 2017 and AMD refreshes the year old Polaris in June?

 

[zinfamous]

In that case, what would the 490 be then? A higher-clocked Polaris? Isn't the 480 a full Polaris chip meaning anything higher up the stack would have to be a higher-clocked 480 or Vega architecture?

There's still a 485 to be released (ditto 475, 465, etc). These are probably all Polaris cards. Then there is a 490 and 495.

580, 590, with their subsequent "5" revisions, will probably exist, or they will be branded "Fury" or something new. Hopefully something new, but not stupid. If they call it AMD XtremeX, then I will burn my house down.

I believe 490 or 495 will be the ~1070 competitor (or maybe somewhere between), like Happy Medium says. But this still leaves the "580 and 590" classes with their revisions. Where those slot, I do not know. There will likely be a Vega that at least outperforms 1080, if only slightly. The Vega chip in the MI25 supposedly "outperforms" TitanXP, but I think that is in some software optimization mumbojumbo suite, and that card isn't, itself, designed for desktops. so who knows. I honestly doubt that the 490 is a dual chip card. It is probably small Vega, though. I think the "AMD is putting out a dual chip card!" is one of those rumor articles that gets republished every generation, because they did it once. If they do, they do. But honestly there is no reason to assume they would.

If 490 is small Vega, then that maybe only leaves one card at the "500" tier? Or 490 is this fabled "Polaris 20" that maybe comes out some time after Vega 10 and 11?

I'd be surprised if AMD puts out a Vega at the TitanXP level, but up until two days ago I thought they were going to release a Zen chip that marginally keeps a respectable, but lower, pace with a 3 year-old Intel CPU. So...I have no clue at this point. They seem to be full of legit surprises these days.

Here's the slide, so that everyone can stop guessing about the names.

Note that the 490/495 cards have a bus > 256 bit. This can't be Polaris, right?

 

[zinfamous]

or perhaps Big Vega and small vega are 2 separate chips and they both have a cut down version?
So 2 Vegas make 4 cards?

This is what I expect. or 490 is small Vega (with later 495 revision), and Big Vega is 580/590 (or 570/580) with the lower card being cut.

 

[zinfamous]

dp. i hate the edit/reply buttons!!!!!!

 

[Madpacket]

I'd be surprised if AMD puts out a Vega at the TitanXP level, but up until two days ago I thought they were going to release a Zen chip that marginally keeps a respectable, but lower, pace with a 3 year-old Intel CPU. So...I have no clue at this point. They seem to be full of legit surprises these days.

That's the thing, AMD has been on fire lately. They appear to have real momentum and drive since the restructure and formation of RTG. It wouldn't surprise me if they released a single GPU card as fast as the Titan X, at least for the games released in 2016.

 

[guskline]

OP, as you can see from my sig I have a 5960x rig with a GTX 1080 and a 6700k rig with RX 480s in CF.

First congrats on a Titan X Pascal. Truly a premium card.

If Vega 490 is a dual cpu based upon Polaris 480 and who really knows, I suspect the performance of my 2 RX480s in CF is the closest you can get to baseline. Obviously, based upon that assumption you would have a single PCB with better throughput than the CF on the mb and better overall thermals. However, based upon past dual gpu cards it would be close.

My GTX 1080 FE loses to the RX 480 CF in graphics score of Firestrike normal, but as resolution climbs, the GTX 1080 takes over.

I obviously do not own a Titan Pascal X but based upon my observations of my GTX 1080 vs my RX480s in CF, a Titan X P would easily be ahead of an AMD 490.

Don't worry, even if AMD releases a RX490 if will still be chasing your tail lights!

 

[Headfoot]

Maybe a binned high-clock p10 Polaris die with GDDR5X ends up being 485 or 490?

 

[railven]

Don't worry, even if AMD releases a RX490 if will still be chasing your tail lights!

This is what is making me regret not going Titan Xp from the start. If Vega can't even touch it in Q2 2017, NV has little to no incentive to push out a faster card with 1080 Ti most likely being slower than a well cooled/OC'd Titan Xp.

 

[Mopetar]

580, 590, with their subsequent "5" revisions, will probably exist, or they will be branded "Fury" or something new. Hopefully something new, but not stupid. If they call it AMD XtremeX, then I will burn my house down.

If they do rename it I think it would be cool for them to bring back Rage. It fits in with the Fury branding they're using and is a nice callback to to their old school ATI roots.

 

[Headfoot]

If they do rename it I think it would be cool for them to bring back Rage. It fits in with the Fury branding they're using and is a nice callback to to their old school ATI roots.

490 Rage XTXXT XT XX?