Is a 1.0 TB Hard drive false advertising?

[randay]

Originally posted by: jagec
When I went to Canada, I saw a speed limit sign that said "Maximum 100" I went 100 mph, and got pulled over. The cops told me they use km/h in Canada, but that wasn't on the sign.

Waaah I should sue. I would have a greater chance of winning than the hard drive scenario, where they clearly indicate what units they're using on the box.

meters/second ?

 

[Mark R]

Originally posted by: CadetLee
Yeah, yeah, 1Tb = 1024Gb, 1Gb = 1024Mb, etc. However, that's not how they're advertised, is it?

Or am I missing something incredibly obvious?

The idea of 1GB = 1024MB, 1TB = 1024 GB has only ever been used consistently for RAM sizing, or in software.

For all other times when storage has been used, it's been much more common to use 1 GB = 1000 MB, 1TB = 1000 GB. This is the 'official' definition, and this is the definition used to advertise hard drives.

 

[Howard]

1 TB is 10^12 bytes. Windows thinks 1TB is 2^40 bytes, though. Do some math and you'll figure it out.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: Syringer
This is the STUPIDEST topic known to mankind in the history of the world. Get the fck over it.

i liked u better when u were permabanned

 

[JujuFish]

2^40 != 10^12

 

[eelw]

AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Being that we are on a tech forum, one would think most of us will know the difference between decimal and binary.

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: Quasmo

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
what IS the purpose of removing a certain % of the space? Is it about 2-3% that the drive 'removes' or put as overhead?

What I'm saying is that every time we go to a higher plateau we lose more and more of a % off of the drive.

The percentage stays the same, does it not?

Fixed, btw.

Thank you! Let loose the dogs of grammar!

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: Quasmo

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
what IS the purpose of removing a certain % of the space? Is it about 2-3% that the drive 'removes' or put as overhead?

What I'm saying is that every time we go to a higher plateau we lose more and more of a % off of the drive.

The percentage stays the same, does it not?

Fixed, btw.

Thank you! Let loose the dogs of grammar!

@CadetLee - the percentage stays the same until you change units. Then the percentage increases.

1000 vs 1024 = 2.4% (KB)
1000000 vs 1048576 = 4.8% (MB)
1000000000 vs 1073741824 = 7.4% (GB)
1000000000000 vs 1099511627776 = 10% (TB)

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: AndrewR
Thank you! Let loose the dogs of grammar!

:beer:

Originally posted by: mugs
@CadetLee - the percentage stays the same until you change units. Then the percentage increases.

1000 vs 1024 = 2.4% (KB)
1000000 vs 1048576 = 4.8% (MB)
1000000000 vs 1073741824 = 7.4% (GB)
1000000000000 vs 1099511627776 = 10% (TB)

Ahh, that makes sense.

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: clickynext
They should denote the binary unit using a different name since the "Giga" prefix by definition is base10. The "GiB = 1024 MiB" convention that's already in place should work fine, but I guess it's not good for marketing to change over.

The different name is Gibibytes, but nobody uses it.

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage

Originally posted by: Quasmo

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
what IS the purpose of removing a certain % of the space? Is it about 2-3% that the drive 'removes' or put as overhead?

What I'm saying is that every time we go to a higher plateau we loose more and more of a % off of the drive.

you sure? I think it has been withing 2-5% .. roughly.

It may depend on the manuf. but I have no proof of that.

5% in the MB range, 7% in the GB range, 9% in the TB range.

Ninja Edit: I see mugs has gone into further detail.

 

[Quasmo]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: Quasmo

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
what IS the purpose of removing a certain % of the space? Is it about 2-3% that the drive 'removes' or put as overhead?

What I'm saying is that every time we go to a higher plateau we lose more and more of a % off of the drive.

The percentage stays the same, does it not?

Fixed, btw.

Thank you! Let loose the dogs of grammar!

@CadetLee - the percentage stays the same until you change units. Then the percentage increases.

1000 vs 1024 = 2.4% (KB)
1000000 vs 1048576 = 4.8% (MB)
1000000000 vs 1073741824 = 7.4% (GB)
1000000000000 vs 1099511627776 = 10% (TB)

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!!

I'm saying I would rather buy a 1000 GB harddrive rather than a 1.0TB hard drive.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

as false as all the other advertising that has ever been done for any other hard drive

 

[FoBoT]

Barbie says "Math is hard!"

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Steve
The different name is Gibibytes, but nobody uses it.

Exactly. I doubt even the tightasses who are giving Quasmo a hard time have ever said "Gibibyte" in real life. You see GiB all the time on the Internet nowadays, but I've never heard anyone say it in real life.

 

[SuperSix]

Quit yer bitchin'.

Make a scene next time you go to Burger King and the burger you get looks nothing like the one you saw the King pimping last week.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Quasmo
So hard drive manufacturers started releasing "1.0 TB" Hard drives that actually show up in windows as 931 GBs. Should Hard drive manufacturers start making drives that are actually 1.0 TBs now that they've reached a new plataeu?

I'm sick of this "false" advertising.

As of now the 1 TB drives that ship in reality need another 100GBs to actually show up as a 1 TB drive in windows, that's almost 10% of the drive itself.

I'm saying that now that they've hit a new era in hard drives they should start making them with a more accurate measurement.

Hmm like ah, dude; this had been happening for a LOOONG time now.

You know a lot of processors actually run a little faster or slower due to clocking deviations too.