Is a 1.0 TB Hard drive false advertising?

[jfall]

It's always been this way, and it doesn't bother me at all. I will agree that it is becoming more noticeable on the new super capacity drives

 

[nakedfrog]

You're just worried about whether you'll fit, aren't you?

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: jfall
It's always been this way, and it doesn't bother me at all. I will agree that it is becoming more noticeable on the new super capacity drives

No, it hasn't always been this way.

 

[Quasmo]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
You're just worried about whether you'll fit, aren't you?

"Will my pron fit"

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: RichUK
It's not false advertising. It?s all to do with 1024KB = 1MB.

They should simply stop using 1024KB = 1MB, i mean i get the binary addressing reason for it, but come on, this isnt 1970.

Using the metric prefixs and then not using the metric scale creates confusion for everyone.

 

[Exterous]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: Quasmo
As of now the 1 TB drives that ship in reality need another 100GBs to actually show up as a 1 TB drive in windows, that's almost 10% of the drive itself.

I'm saying that now that they've hit a new era in hard drives they should start making them with a more accurate measurement.

Then they would have to sell 1075GB drives, and no one would know why.

I don't know - i don't think thats as bad as people who claim that part of their HD is missing.

"It said 80GB and I am only getting 74.5GB!"

 

[Fulcrum]

I can't believe people still even bring this issue up at all, especially here on AT. It's no secret how hard drive capacities are stated for marketing purposes, it's a common industry practice that has been known to be what it is for years and years. Get over it already!

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: Quasmo
As of now the 1 TB drives that ship in reality need another 100GBs to actually show up as a 1 TB drive in windows, that's almost 10% of the drive itself.

I'm saying that now that they've hit a new era in hard drives they should start making them with a more accurate measurement.

Then they would have to sell 1075GB drives, and no one would know why.

I don't know - i don't think thats as bad as people who claim that part of their HD is missing.

"It said 80GB and I am only getting 74.5GB!"

I find the last two HDDs I bought amusing... 300GB--with a BONUS 20GB!
They format to a shade under 300GB in Windows

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: jfall
It's always been this way, and it doesn't bother me at all. I will agree that it is becoming more noticeable on the new super capacity drives

No, it hasn't always been this way.

My 400Gb drive shows up as 372Gb. 28Gb * 2.5 (400Gb drive -> 1Tb) = 70Gb. 1Tb drive shows up as 931Gb (69Gb loss). Seems pretty close to me.

 

[Quasmo]

Originally posted by: Fulcrum
I can't believe people still even bring this issue up at all, especially here on AT. It's no secret how hard drive capacities are stated for marketing purposes, it's a common industry practice that has been known to be what it is for years and years. Get over it already!

That's not the point, I understand that most of the drives we currently use (ie. the ones said to be GB) are 1 GB = 1000MB, but now that we have hit TB you'd think they could make a drive that actually shows up close to a TB and not 100GBs from an actual TB. I'm saying that the system is really starting to show it's flaws.

 

[Quasmo]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: jfall
It's always been this way, and it doesn't bother me at all. I will agree that it is becoming more noticeable on the new super capacity drives

No, it hasn't always been this way.

My 400Gb drive shows up as 372Gb. 28Gb * 2.5 (400Gb drive -> 1Tb) = 70Gb. 1Tb drive shows up as 931Gb (69Gb loss). Seems pretty close to me.

1 "TB" = 1024 GBs

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Quasmo

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
You're just worried about whether you'll fit, aren't you?

"Will my pron fit"

Best two posts in this thread. :laugh:

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Quasmo

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: jfall
It's always been this way, and it doesn't bother me at all. I will agree that it is becoming more noticeable on the new super capacity drives

No, it hasn't always been this way.

My 400Gb drive shows up as 372Gb. 28Gb * 2.5 (400Gb drive -> 1Tb) = 70Gb. 1Tb drive shows up as 931Gb (69Gb loss). Seems pretty close to me.

1 "TB" = 1024 GBs

Yeah, yeah, 1Tb = 1024Gb, 1Gb = 1024Mb, etc. However, that's not how they're advertised, is it?

Or am I missing something incredibly obvious?

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: Quasmo

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: jfall
It's always been this way, and it doesn't bother me at all. I will agree that it is becoming more noticeable on the new super capacity drives

No, it hasn't always been this way.

My 400Gb drive shows up as 372Gb. 28Gb * 2.5 (400Gb drive -> 1Tb) = 70Gb. 1Tb drive shows up as 931Gb (69Gb loss). Seems pretty close to me.

1 "TB" = 1024 GBs

Yeah, yeah, 1Tb = 1024Gb, 1Gb = 1024Mb, etc. However, that's not how they're advertised, is it?

Or am I missing something incredibly obvious?

Decimal GB for hard drives -> 1000MBs = 1GB

Binary GB for Windows -> 1024MBs = 1GB

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Its the difference between a kb being 1000 or 1024 bytes it has nothing to do with windows

 

[randay]

if you want it to change, sue. otherwise, live and learn.

 

[Xavier434]

I understand wanting to get what you pay for, but this has been a known fact about hard drive space since as long as I can remember. Just deal with your 900+ GB of storage and learn to choose your battles in life.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: Quasmo

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: jfall
It's always been this way, and it doesn't bother me at all. I will agree that it is becoming more noticeable on the new super capacity drives

No, it hasn't always been this way.

My 400Gb drive shows up as 372Gb. 28Gb * 2.5 (400Gb drive -> 1Tb) = 70Gb. 1Tb drive shows up as 931Gb (69Gb loss). Seems pretty close to me.

1 "TB" = 1024 GBs

Yeah, yeah, 1Tb = 1024Gb, 1Gb = 1024Mb, etc. However, that's not how they're advertised, is it?

Or am I missing something incredibly obvious?

Decimal GB for hard drives -> 1000MBs = 1GB

Binary GB for Windows -> 1024MBs = 1GB

I realize that. Isn't that the entire issue here..?

 

[Mark R]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: jfall
It's always been this way, and it doesn't bother me at all. I will agree that it is becoming more noticeable on the new super capacity drives

No, it hasn't always been this way.

By and large it has. When magnetic tapes were used for data storage, Base10 numbers were used, the same with some early disks. Base10 has always been used for communications, networks, and for describing data transfer rates (tape reading speeds, disk speeds, RAM speed, etc.).

Now, in the early days of hard drives there was considerable confusion - some manufacturers used one definition, others the other, some even used a bizzare hybrid.

However, the only time the binary definitions have ever been used consistently is in RAM sizing. This is the only situation in which it makes good sense. Apart from RAM sizes, Base10 has been the overwhelming convention.

The terms Megabyte, Gigabyte and Terabyte have had official definitions for 10 years now. Those scientific definitions use the Base10 system.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Well....don't forget, when you set it up in a RAID array, the RAID controller is going to likely use 10-50GB just for storing configuration when striping data.

EMC Clariions, for instance waste 33GB/disk.

 

[jdoggg12]

Marketing, people! have we learned nothing about marketing?

Fat free is NOT actually fat free
New and Improved! - what is? the paint on the battery cover?
Limited edition! - No, its not limited otherwise i wouldnt be able to go to every Best Buy and see 60 copies on the shelf!

1TB HDD! - What's the definition of 1TB?

 

[thomsbrain]

Welcome to computers, n00b.

 

[FoBoT]

holy crap, this is why non-geeks shouldn't use technology

1024 != 1000

 

[jagec]

When I went to Canada, I saw a speed limit sign that said "Maximum 100" I went 100 mph, and got pulled over. The cops told me they use km/h in Canada, but that wasn't on the sign.

Waaah I should sue. I would have a greater chance of winning than the hard drive scenario, where they clearly indicate what units they're using on the box.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
holy crap, this is why non-geeks shouldn't use technology

1024 != 1000

1024 = 10000000000