Is 5G about to be ended by RFK?

[Fanatical Meat]

v

Table 1. Ages of the Patriarchs from Adam to Noah

	Patriarch	Age	Bible Reference
1	Adam	930	Genesis 5:5
2	Seth	912	Genesis 5:8
3	Enosh	905	Genesis 5:11
4	Cainan	910	Genesis 5:14
5	Mahalalel	895	Genesis 5:17
6	Jared	962	Genesis 5:20
7	Enoch	365 (translated)	Genesis 5:23
8	Methuselah	969	Genesis 5:27
9	Lamech	777	Genesis 5:31
10	Noah	950	Genesis 9:29

According to the Bible, the true word of God. Have you been hiding under a rock. You tried the same with me, pawning off something you read in a book about life spans doubling from what, some random book you read? All these people lived before cell phone towers existed. Everybody knows that. Do you believe the word of an infallible being or some rando with a green eye shade. Use some logic.

Dates were kept differently then.

 

[Oric]

Are we sure there were no RF radiation in those times, how did the burning bush talk ? It is clear that the commandments were transmitted by high frequency, high wattage radio waves which caused fires in the trees/bush and the spoken words were echoed by the media. How come they lived 900 years under such bombardment ?

 

[Moonbeam]

A work of fiction should never be brought up when talking about science.

What does scientific progress depend on? Amused said this: "Seeing electromagnetism excite fluorescing gasses in a tube begs no question over what it does to a human body. Because the answer is nothing.

That's like asking what standing under the northern lights is doing to your body.

The lack of basic science education is just sad."

Do you see any problems with it? Please critique it scientifically for me? The proposition is that electromagnetism does nothing to the human body just as the northern lights do nothing to it. Do you actually believe that bull shit. If you do I would say you'd make a lousy scientist because you lack a vital factor that drives scientific discovery, a sense of wonder. And lacking that Amused completely missed the meaning of what I said. How scientifically ignorant can people be?

 

[Amused]

What does scientific progress depend on? Amused said this: "Seeing electromagnetism excite fluorescing gasses in a tube begs no question over what it does to a human body. Because the answer is nothing.

That's like asking what standing under the northern lights is doing to your body.

The lack of basic science education is just sad."

Do you see any problems with it? Please critique it scientifically for me? The proposition is that electromagnetism does nothing to the human body just as the northern lights do nothing to it. Do you actually believe that bull shit. If you do I would say you'd make a lousy scientist because you lack a vital factor that drives scientific discovery, a sense of wonder. And lacking that Amused completely missed the meaning of what I said. How scientifically ignorant can people be?

Non-ionizing radiation has only one effect on the human body: HEAT and whatever effects that heat causes.

It really is that simple. And no other non-heat related effects have been shown outside of nocebo conman claims and their bad "science" used to con people into buying placebos to "cure" them.

You're literally asking for people to prove a negative here,

 

[Pontius Dilate]

What does scientific progress depend on? Amused said this: "Seeing electromagnetism excite fluorescing gasses in a tube begs no question over what it does to a human body. Because the answer is nothing.

That's like asking what standing under the northern lights is doing to your body.

The lack of basic science education is just sad."

Do you see any problems with it? Please critique it scientifically for me? The proposition is that electromagnetism does nothing to the human body just as the northern lights do nothing to it. Do you actually believe that bull shit. If you do I would say you'd make a lousy scientist because you lack a vital factor that drives scientific discovery, a sense of wonder. And lacking that Amused completely missed the meaning of what I said. How scientifically ignorant can people be?

You speak as if you aren't aware that we've been studying and experimenting with radio and all sorts of other electromagnetic radiation for over a century, and that there isn't a mountain of scientific literature available documenting these very things about ionizing vs non-ionizing radiation. We have and there is. Amused making a statement about it as a matter of scientific fact cannot be dismissed by making an equivalence to a 3000+ year old creation myth.

A guy I used to work with who was deep down the conspiracy rabbit hole sent me a link to a video of some fellow talking about the connection between major advances in radio technology and viral pandemics. He lined up maybe six or seven of these pandemic events starting with the discovery and creation of radio technology, to radar, commercial broadcast radio, television, cell phones and the various generational technologies, in an argument that radio waves cause the effects we think come from viruses.

I thought that sounded like complete horseshit and classic correlation = causation failure. To be fair I didn't have much specific knowledge about viruses or the timelines of radio technologies or pandemics. So I spent few hours reading about those things in turn. You will be surprised to learn that the time alignment between the invention and deployment of different radio technologies and viral pandemics was extremely poor at best, completely wrong and profoundly misaligned at worst. And that we had identified viruses before the original invention and deployment of radio.

A lack of sense of wonder driving scientific discovery is not the problem. A saying.

 

[outriding]

What does scientific progress depend on? Amused said this: "Seeing electromagnetism excite fluorescing gasses in a tube begs no question over what it does to a human body. Because the answer is nothing.

That's like asking what standing under the northern lights is doing to your body.

The lack of basic science education is just sad."

Do you see any problems with it? Please critique it scientifically for me? The proposition is that electromagnetism does nothing to the human body just as the northern lights do nothing to it. Do you actually believe that bull shit. If you do I would say you'd make a lousy scientist because you lack a vital factor that drives scientific discovery, a sense of wonder. And lacking that Amused completely missed the meaning of what I said. How scientifically ignorant can people be?

I am not a scientist but I have a reasonable understanding of how things work.

And what amused said sounded reasonable

But you brought in the Bible. I have read a small amount of the Bible and I can say with certainty that it does not talk about the topic at hand.

You brought up the Bible and it would be up to you to explain how they are related

If you cannot then you just provided nothing more than a straw man argument

 

[Jaskalas]

Are we sure there were no RF radiation in those times, how did the burning bush talk ?

No to RF, yes to shrooms. Based on those accounts.

 

[Muse]

As a young kid my pediatrician had polio. He wore rigid metal leg braces and got around with those metal crutches with the arm cuff. I can still hear the creaking sound his crutches made as he entered the room.

It's what put FDR in a wheel chair.

He was diagnosed with poliomyelitis and underwent years of therapy, including hydrotherapy at Warm Springs, Georgia. Roosevelt remained paralyzed from the waist down and relied on a wheelchair and leg braces for mobility, which he took efforts to conceal in public.

Polio kills too.

 

[Muse]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK RFK Jr. has not been approved as HHS head. Nor any of the other agency heads proposed by the PE.

 

[brycejones]

v

Table 1. Ages of the Patriarchs from Adam to Noah

	Patriarch	Age	Bible Reference
1	Adam	930	Genesis 5:5
2	Seth	912	Genesis 5:8
3	Enosh	905	Genesis 5:11
4	Cainan	910	Genesis 5:14
5	Mahalalel	895	Genesis 5:17
6	Jared	962	Genesis 5:20
7	Enoch	365 (translated)	Genesis 5:23
8	Methuselah	969	Genesis 5:27
9	Lamech	777	Genesis 5:31
10	Noah	950	Genesis 9:29

According to the Bible, the true word of God. Have you been hiding under a rock. You tried the same with me, pawning off something you read in a book about life spans doubling from what, some random book you read? All these people lived before cell phone towers existed. Everybody knows that. Do you believe the word of an infallible being or some rando with a green eye shade. Use some logic.

If it wasn't for vaccines we could live that long.

/s

 

[Moonbeam]

I am not a scientist but I have a reasonable understanding of how things work.

And what amused said sounded reasonable

But you brought in the Bible. I have read a small amount of the Bible and I can say with certainty that it does not talk about the topic at hand.

You brought up the Bible and it would be up to you to explain how they are related

If you cannot then you just provided nothing more than a straw man argument

They are related in the sense that they are matters of faith which if real produce changes in the brain. Through religious faith, take the Christian religion as one example since I quoted from the Old Testament portion of the Bible, Jesus brought a corrective to the older Jewish faith, that a person could experience divine wisdom via adherence to the law. It is not knowing and following the law that leads to the Kingdom of Heaven, but the understanding of the spirit behind it. Adherence to law does not produce the experience of enlightenment because without forgiveness for transgression hidden inner guilt will get in the way. Only if you can forgive the sins of others, their lawbreaking, will you ever truly be able to leave your own feelings of sinfulness behind. The ego remains attached to delusions that you have been saved. But he who suffers in meekness and surrender will rise from that psychic form of death. To feel, to suffer, to open up the self to one's inner pain leads to rebirth into the joy of being, return to the garden, or the Kingdom of Heaven. Via faith one can transcend self hate, when you experience God's love for you as the equivalent of your love for him. In faith, real faith, the lover and the beloved are one.

So is science a faith. I have suggested above that faith is a belief that leads, when real, to transformation, to self understanding, psychological maturity knowing the real nature of things, to self awareness, consciousness, and the joy of being etc etc etc. Can science do the same thing? Science is a methodology that seeks to understand the nature of existence, how everything works, the nature of reality. People see science as non spiritual which would imply that the science of psychology isn't science at all. I would disagree.

Amused basically called me scientifically uneducated because I implied that as a kid the illumination of a fluorescent tube in my hands was cause to wonder about the effects of electromagnetic radiation on the body. This took place long long long before there was any questioning about the so called dangers of cell phone towers, microwave ovens, etc.

The primary interest of my live has been science. I took 5 years of it in high school and was voted on one in science on graduation. I entered Berkeley as a freshmen majoring in biochemistry but my need to seek truth killed all of that. I because interested instead, in the nature of consciousness and why people, particularly, why I suffered. I developed a scientific skepticism that demanded proof of any claim, which destroyed my religious faith. The thought that life is meaningless, that there is no respite from suffering, no source of justice in the world left me in a state of depression and hopelessness I knew I would never escape but a miracle happened instead. I chanced upon the psychological perspective of Zen, woke up and in that state was able to see who knew things and who did not. Because of that I recognized someone I again chanced upon as knowing what I did but far more profoundly than I did.

He was psychologist who had studied himself via the practice of psychoanalysis and had had more of it than any other person alive, he claimed. He said he was 99.999% sure that he was OK and I could see it in his words and behavior. He was living what I only knew to be true.

The scientific search for what scientific principles drive human life lead via inner experience and self knowledge to the fact that we have all been exposed to put downs as children that caused us to hate ourselves. But I am scientifically ignorant? Hehehe, whatever.
People who are scientifically educated know that electromagnetic radiation is harmless. They have boxed that up and put it on a shelf. But the progress of science is not regurgitation, it is the result of wonder and curiosity applied to experiences in life, questions about things observed, like does radiation that will light up a fluorescent bulb do anything to the body. What effect does the northern lights have on the body. To a regurgitator they have no effect at all. But to a child with profound scientific interest and curiosity they produce a sense of awe.

As a child I remember seeing the northern lights in northern California, the light went in my eyes traveled to my brain where chemicals formed that permanently etched the experience of the joy of seeing them at that moment became a permanent memory. I am tempted to say, you fucking dunces but that would only be because my self hate has been triggered by being called ignorant
So you can tell me all about what I have know for years, that any notion that electromagnetic radiation has to this date not shown evidence of harming the body, that was determined not by regurgitation of experimental data collected in the past, but by scientists who sought to discover whether there is danger or not, having noticed that it does produce effects like fluorescence. Curiosity, wonder and awe are the product of the joy of being. That isn't the experience that comes with stuffing yourself full of facts. It's the result of being awake to the self, being here how.

 

[Ken g6]

v

Table 1. Ages of the Patriarchs from Adam to Noah

	Patriarch	Age	Bible Reference
1	Adam	930	Genesis 5:5
2	Seth	912	Genesis 5:8
3	Enosh	905	Genesis 5:11
4	Cainan	910	Genesis 5:14
5	Mahalalel	895	Genesis 5:17
6	Jared	962	Genesis 5:20
7	Enoch	365 (translated)	Genesis 5:23
8	Methuselah	969	Genesis 5:27
9	Lamech	777	Genesis 5:31
10	Noah	950	Genesis 9:29

According to the Bible, the true word of God. Have you been hiding under a rock. You tried the same with me, pawning off something you read in a book about life spans doubling from what, some random book you read? All these people lived before cell phone towers existed. Everybody knows that. Do you believe the word of an infallible being or some rando with a green eye shade. Use some logic.

Dates were kept differently then.

All of those ages make sense if they were measuring lunar cycles. (Divide by 12, roughly.) That would make Enoch dead at only about 30 , and Methuselah just slightly younger than Joe Biden.

 

[iRONic]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK RFK Jr. has not been approved as HHS head. Nor any of the other agency heads proposed by the PE.

Yet…

 

[Moonbeam]

All of those ages make sense if they were measuring lunar cycles. (Divide by 12, roughly.) That would make Enoch dead at only about 30 , and Methuselah just slightly younger than Joe Biden.

Or maybe some math challenged scribe left off a decimal point.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It's what put FDR in a wheel chair.


Polio kills too.

Mitch Fucking McConnell had polio too, fun fact Mitch is very pro vaccine for everything.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Wifi 6

problem solved

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Wifi 6

problem solved

You mean either MAGA-Fi or MUSK-Fi.

 

[Pontius Dilate]

They are related in the sense that they are matters of faith which if real produce changes in the brain. Through religious faith, take the Christian religion as one example since I quoted from the Old Testament portion of the Bible, Jesus brought a corrective to the older Jewish faith, that a person could experience divine wisdom via adherence to the law. It is not knowing and following the law that leads to the Kingdom of Heaven, but the understanding of the spirit behind it. Adherence to law does not produce the experience of enlightenment because without forgiveness for transgression hidden inner guilt will get in the way. Only if you can forgive the sins of others, their lawbreaking, will you ever truly be able to leave your own feelings of sinfulness behind. The ego remains attached to delusions that you have been saved. But he who suffers in meekness and surrender will rise from that psychic form of death. To feel, to suffer, to open up the self to one's inner pain leads to rebirth into the joy of being, return to the garden, or the Kingdom of Heaven. Via faith one can transcend self hate, when you experience God's love for you as the equivalent of your love for him. In faith, real faith, the lover and the beloved are one.

So is science a faith. I have suggested above that faith is a belief that leads, when real, to transformation, to self understanding, psychological maturity knowing the real nature of things, to self awareness, consciousness, and the joy of being etc etc etc. Can science do the same thing? Science is a methodology that seeks to understand the nature of existence, how everything works, the nature of reality. People see science as non spiritual which would imply that the science of psychology isn't science at all. I would disagree.

Amused basically called me scientifically uneducated because I implied that as a kid the illumination of a fluorescent tube in my hands was cause to wonder about the effects of electromagnetic radiation on the body. This took place long long long before there was any questioning about the so called dangers of cell phone towers, microwave ovens, etc.

The primary interest of my live has been science. I took 5 years of it in high school and was voted on one in science on graduation. I entered Berkeley as a freshmen majoring in biochemistry but my need to seek truth killed all of that. I because interested instead, in the nature of consciousness and why people, particularly, why I suffered. I developed a scientific skepticism that demanded proof of any claim, which destroyed my religious faith. The thought that life is meaningless, that there is no respite from suffering, no source of justice in the world left me in a state of depression and hopelessness I knew I would never escape but a miracle happened instead. I chanced upon the psychological perspective of Zen, woke up and in that state was able to see who knew things and who did not. Because of that I recognized someone I again chanced upon as knowing what I did but far more profoundly than I did.

He was psychologist who had studied himself via the practice of psychoanalysis and had had more of it than any other person alive, he claimed. He said he was 99.999% sure that he was OK and I could see it in his words and behavior. He was living what I only knew to be true.

The scientific search for what scientific principles drive human life lead via inner experience and self knowledge to the fact that we have all been exposed to put downs as children that caused us to hate ourselves. But I am scientifically ignorant? Hehehe, whatever.
People who are scientifically educated know that electromagnetic radiation is harmless. They have boxed that up and put it on a shelf. But the progress of science is not regurgitation, it is the result of wonder and curiosity applied to experiences in life, questions about things observed, like does radiation that will light up a fluorescent bulb do anything to the body. What effect does the northern lights have on the body. To a regurgitator they have no effect at all. But to a child with profound scientific interest and curiosity they produce a sense of awe.

As a child I remember seeing the northern lights in northern California, the light went in my eyes traveled to my brain where chemicals formed that permanently etched the experience of the joy of seeing them at that moment became a permanent memory. I am tempted to say, you fucking dunces but that would only be because my self hate has been triggered by being called ignorant
So you can tell me all about what I have know for years, that any notion that electromagnetic radiation has to this date not shown evidence of harming the body, that was determined not by regurgitation of experimental data collected in the past, but by scientists who sought to discover whether there is danger or not, having noticed that it does produce effects like fluorescence. Curiosity, wonder and awe are the product of the joy of being. That isn't the experience that comes with stuffing yourself full of facts. It's the result of being awake to the self, being here how.

Heavenly days. The mask slippage is fun.

“So science is a faith” is a total non sequitur to what comes before and is not supported by what comes after. “Faith is a belief that leads, when real….” That “when real” is doing a hell of a lot of work there. Who determines what is real in this case? Evidence? The scientific method? God? No. Making up a new definition for the word ‘faith’ that makes scientific and religious understanding equivalent is not a valid solution.

“The scientific search for what scientific principles drive human life lead via inner experience and self knowledge to the fact that we have all been exposed to put downs as children that caused us to hate ourselves.”

Unsupported assertion. I believe you believe it. It’s the only story you have. It’s the singular lens through which you see the world.

Understanding how things work via the scientific method is in no way at odds with standing in awe at the majesty and miraculousness of the natural world. I can feel charged up or changed by the northern lights without believing untrue things about their nature.

You got triggered by Amused appearing to suggest you were scientifically ignorant. You should let it go.

 

[Muse]

Good read on the impact RFK Jr. could/would/might have if confirmed head of HHS:

What Could RFK Jr. Do As Head of HHS? We Asked Someone Who’s Done the Job

Former HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius shares what the country’s top health official can and can't do, and what she wants senators to know ahead of RFK’s confirmation hearings.

tradeoffs.org

Note: A human avian flu epidemic is likely about a year away and we don't have a vaccine for it yet. Jr. is about the last person on planet earth we want as head of the HHS in 2025.

 

[Muse]

Mitch Fucking McConnell had polio too, fun fact Mitch is very pro vaccine for everything.

... and hopefully a vote against RFK Jr. as HHS Sec. I heard less than a handful are necessary to send him back to Obsessionville.

Edit: I too am "very pro vaccine for everything." Obviously, some are better than others but vaccine science is definitely science, something that RFK Jr. appears to know very little about, uh, nor Moonie.

 

[Muse]

Yet…

I don't think the Senate will all just line up and salute Da 'Merican Fuhrer and acquiesce to his every whim, but we'll see.

 

[Moonbeam]

Heavenly days. The mask slippage is fun.

I began my post saying I could reply in a number of ways. So how then does my choice to go one way first and another way second create a gotcha. I was all along aware that Amused post irritated me. I went with the Bible to mirror the kind of thinking he was expressing to me, an absolutist soul numbing lasc of appreciation for what I had said earlier about how an observed effect creates for a guestioning mind, the kind real science depends on for discovery and progress, got shot down due formulaic regurgitated thinking crystallized in his brain that was actually full of arrogance and bigotry. His admonishment that no harm comes from electromagnetic radiation under Ham antenna, factual as it may be, and despite the fact I even said that harness or no harm even enters consideration, does not mean that a person with a curious scientific mind, witnessing for the first time such fluorescence might wonder what else could be happening there. I made it clear this happened to me as an kid long before there was any hysteric claims floating around that such radiation is dangerous. The fact is that so many of you engineering types regurgitate but really don’t feel any thing and are threatened by anything at all that challenges you data collection. That’s all ego identification based on feelings of inferiority you mask with aggressive attacks of your own stupid concepts of the heretical. It’s so childish..

PD: “So science is a faith” is a total non sequitur to what comes before and is not supported by what comes after. “Faith is a belief that leads, when real….” That “when real” is doing a hell of a lot of work there. Who determines what is real in this case? Evidence? The scientific method? God? No. Making up a new definition for the word ‘faith’ that makes scientific and religious understanding equivalent is not a valid solution.

M: And where exactly did you get the idea that faith in the scientific method are equivalent? Feeling treated, are we? I said that science produces answered that can be tested and confirmed by repetition. We have faith, those of us who wish for knowledge that can be confirmed by others, in this methodology. We have faith in the sense that peer review is enough to trust conclusions without repeating the experiments.

The study of psychology is different. Say, a therapist has increased his personal sense of happiness by reliving and facing previously unconscious traumatic events. How do you prove the experience of changed psychological stated. You can see changes in the electrical activity in the main, see that say Tibetan monks in a state of meditation light up differently than people off the street but you will never know their real inner experience inwardly. You will never know if they are in a state of consciousness beyond anything you have experienced. So who knows what is real. You know or you don’t. It’s like a room full of people, some awake and some asleep. Only the awake know we else is awake.

PD:
Unsupported assertion. I believe you believe it. It’s the only story you have. It’s the singular lens through which you see the world.

M: I was told by my analysis I would see that truth if I allowed myself to feel what I really feel. I did. Now I know.

PD: Understanding how things work via the scientific method is in no way at odds with standing in awe at the majesty and miraculousness of the natural world. I can feel charged up or changed by the northern lights without believing untrue things about their nature.

M: So can I.


PD: You got triggered by Amused appearing to suggest you were scientifically ignorant. You should let it go.

I already explained that is not the whole story and I told you myself it was a feeling I had. I will survive. And please tell me, how do you let go of feeling hurt by the ignorance of others. Can you actually do it yourself. You know you would have to relive whatever trauma you experienced as a child that created that capacity to be triggered and understood at a transformative level that you hurt was based on having internalized a lie which in the light of understanding you now leave behind. Otherwise you are just fooling yourself, something I did not do.

 

[Moonbeam]

... and hopefully a vote against RFK Jr. as HHS Sec. I heard less than a handful are necessary to send him back to Obsessionville.

Edit: I too am "very pro vaccine for everything." Obviously, some are better than others but vaccine science is definitely science, something that RFK Jr. appears to know very little about, uh, nor Moonie.

Don’t be silly. Have had every Covid shot you have had as well as many many others. Are you vaccinated against small pox? I am. Many today are not. To me it is an utter crime that vaccine research isn’t done in government labs minus the for profit motive that would seek vaccines for viruses that are uncommon in the US but kill so many in poor countries. We should have vaccines for bird flu, malaria, and West Nile.

 

[Pontius Dilate]

PD: “So science is a faith” is a total non sequitur to what comes before and is not supported by what comes after. “Faith is a belief that leads, when real….” That “when real” is doing a hell of a lot of work there. Who determines what is real in this case? Evidence? The scientific method? God? No. Making up a new definition for the word ‘faith’ that makes scientific and religious understanding equivalent is not a valid solution.

M: And where exactly did you get the idea that faith in the scientific method are equivalent? Feeling treated, are we? I said that science produces answered that can be tested and confirmed by repetition. We have faith, those of us who wish for knowledge that can be confirmed by others, in this methodology. We have faith in the sense that peer review is enough to trust conclusions without repeating the experiments.

The study of psychology is different. Say, a therapist has increased his personal sense of happiness by reliving and facing previously unconscious traumatic events. How do you prove the experience of changed psychological stated. You can see changes in the electrical activity in the main, see that say Tibetan monks in a state of meditation light up differently than people off the street but you will never know their real inner experience inwardly. You will never know if they are in a state of consciousness beyond anything you have experienced. So who knows what is real. You know or you don’t. It’s like a room full of people, some awake and some asleep. Only the awake know we else is awake.

PD:
Unsupported assertion. I believe you believe it. It’s the only story you have. It’s the singular lens through which you see the world.

M: I was told by my analysis I would see that truth if I allowed myself to feel what I really feel. I did. Now I know.

PD: Understanding how things work via the scientific method is in no way at odds with standing in awe at the majesty and miraculousness of the natural world. I can feel charged up or changed by the northern lights without believing untrue things about their nature.

M: So can I.


PD: You got triggered by Amused appearing to suggest you were scientifically ignorant. You should let it go.

I already explained that is not the whole story and I told you myself it was a feeling I had. I will survive. And please tell me, how do you let go of feeling hurt by the ignorance of others. Can you actually do it yourself. You know you would have to relive whatever trauma you experienced as a child that created that capacity to be triggered and understood at a transformative level that you hurt was based on having internalized a lie which in the light of understanding you now leave behind. Otherwise you are just fooling yourself, something I did not do.

Where I got the idea that faith [and] the scientific method are equivalent is when you said, "So science is a faith." So, from your words. Where you said science is a faith. Utilizing the scientific method and peer review removes the need for faith. I don't need faith to believe that we created and detonated an atomic bomb in 1945. With enough time and resources I could build and detonate an atomic bomb, and no one would have any doubt that I did it. There is no amount of time and resources I could expend to prove to everyone that god listens to me and makes all the good and bad things happen in my life and yours. You can use the word faith to describe your believe in the scientific method and the results thereof, but it is in no way the same thing as religious faith.

"So who knows what is real. You know or you don’t. It’s like a room full of people, some awake and some asleep. Only the awake know we else is awake." The answer is, Moonbeam, as expected.

I'm not hurt by your ignorance, that's your projection onto me. I never said you were ignorant, scientifically or otherwise. I don't even think you are ignorant. How can I be hurt by something that doesn't exist? The rest of it is your usual projection of your belief system onto me. You have no understanding of my inner life, nor my understanding of myself.

 

[iRONic]

I don't think the Senate will all just line up and salute Da 'Merican Fuhrer and acquiesce to his every whim, but we'll see.

I wish I shared your optimism, I really do.