Is 3dfx up to their old tricks?

NFS4

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I was reading the new 3dfx interview over at VE and came to the last question concerning the GF2 Ultra's memory:


<< Voodoo Extreme -- nVidia has added heatsinks to their memory chips. While Hercules did this for the GF2, they did it to allow for overclocking. Why would nVidia ship a reference board with heatsinks? Is this something that will become more commonplace from now on?


3dfx -- There are serious questions as to why Nvidia would put heatsinks on their memory. Just as you mentioned regarding Hercules, there is only one ?justified? reason I can think to put heatsinks on memory. They have announced they are shipping memory on the Ultra at 230MHz. They sent reviewers 250Mhz DDR. Why is that? If they ship 250 MHz DDR to editors to review and plan on using 230MHz DDR for the ?consumer? why didn?t they send 230MHz DDR to editors? There are serious questions here and an interesting story to be told. Perhaps someone will ask them?.
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If I'm not mistaken, wasn't it stated that regardless of memory all Ultras were sent to reviewers running at 230/460? I believe that nVidia wanted to use 250/500, but the yields weren't too good so those that did hit 500 were still clocked at 230/460 to keep in check with the majority of the batch which was pumping out 230/460.

The whole interview is full of BS! Why does 3dfx let this guy speak?:Q
 

Hardware

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Hehe NFS4 you took my place in turning out 3dfx bs!
Good luck and happy flaming to all 3dfxzombies
Oh I smell wingznut is comming with his flamethrower
 

Czar

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Bubba should be fired, he is a good example of a bad... very very bad PR person.

I´v never read an interview with him that he points out good things in the Voodoo series, he allways has to bash nvidia.
 

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When will you kids learn? This is what these PR geeks do for a living. The NVIDIA PR guys do the same, albeit not as much, but they talk smack to.
 

xtreme2k

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i seriously dont know what 3dfx is doing when they dont even have a PRODUCT that beats a Geforce 256 DDR, something that nvidia released 12months ago and they are bashing nvidia.


 

NFS4

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I don't think that I see nVidia constantly bashing 3dfx without merit.
 

Dean

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I like the way he said the Radeon has issues with 32 bit textures, the 16 bit is ho-hum and average maybe, but the 32 bit are the best looking 3d graphics available

the funny thing is...the 5500 is a damn nice all around card that has its merits...let the card win its fans on its own and stop trash talking the competition
 

NFS4

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I hope that VE posts interviews from ATi AND nVidia with responses to these comments from Bubba ;)
 

Michael

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Oh look, NFS4 and Czar are up to their old tricks ...

It is just Bubba's job and the reader comments were tame so what's the point?

Michael
 

Dean

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The point Michael is that the DDDFX PR man is talking out of his ass!!
 

Michael

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He's a PR man, what's your point?

Plus, he isn't &quot;talking out of his ass&quot;, he's just putting a spin on recent events. That's his job, one big part of which is to do interviews for websites. Websites that like to increase their hits.

Michael
 

xtreme2k

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i think nvidia has a LOT LESS PR BS and a lot more cards being released

and 3dfx has a LOT MORE BS with a lot LESS cards being released


and i got myself a G2GTS and i am so happy
 

Michael

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Go back and read the interviews when NVIDIA was struggling and 3dfx was the king. It is just PR trying to get attention to their products. I guess 3dfx and Billy should thank NFS4, he's pointing a bunch more people to the interview ...

Michael
 

Jonny

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Yeah, but if 3DFX was in the lead you would hear more from NVIDA don't you think? Right now 3dfx is being beatin and they are trying really hard to get the market back.
 

Jonny

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xtreme2k, Iam not saying their tactics are correct, dont get me wrong. I just look at all this BS as &quot;standard procedure&quot;. :)
 

NFS4

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PR is not supposed to spread false information though :( You knoe that Michael ;) The comments about the Ultra memory makes nVidia out to look like the bad guy.

I thought a PR person is supposed to talk about their products, not have their face jammed up their competition's ass. It's just totally unprofessional IMHO. Bubba just doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.
 

Dean

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The way to truly gain respect and sales is to be honest. He could go into that interview and talk about his company's product honestly and explain how well it competes with the competition. He could also say something like the competition out there is tough right now with good product and that is the reason 3dfx is commited to delivering high quality video cards for every budget and gaming demands.

Its that simple!! He would gain my respect right there. Let the card speak for itself. My friend owns a 5500 and its a damn nice card, I bought the radeon just because i like a differant flavour and neither of us are complaining
 

Mem

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3DFX PR sucks big time why can`t they learn from Matrox PR &amp; be civilized,they don`t need to sink that low IMHO.

:)
 

xtreme2k

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NFS4

when you do have an inferior product compared to the completition

you will have to start stepping on your opponents arse and start picking on the irrelevent little details

i mean
it is wellknown that the G2/Ultra will have a speed of 200/460
so what if they have heat sink on them?

i mean,
of cuz 3dfx dont need heatsink on their 166MHz SDR on their cards
and now they BS on what nvidia use the 230MHz DDR
 

Michael

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NFS4 - Many GF2 Ultra reviews mentioned the 250 memory as a main point and didn't mention the final clocking speed. Also, the better memory would allow for reviewers to overclock better which will give the false impression that there is a fair amount of room to overclock. That's PR at work as well, btw.

I just read the article again. I don't see false information being spread, I just see a different spin being put on publically available information.

GF2, Radeon, and V5 are all very good cards and all are good choices to buy regardless of what some PR person says.

Michael
 

NFS4

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And I also place part of the blame on VE for asking loading questions...
 

Michael

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Why blame Billy - he wants hits, doesn't he? The questions were fair questions. What about your title for this thread? Should I blame NFS4 for having a leading thread title?

Michael