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IRS Reports Even More Computer Crashes

I'm sure the resident tools have no issues with this. For the rest of us, this is starting to become more than a statistical anomaly. The odds of this many hard drives crashing that just so happen to be linked to the emails for the time frame in question has got to be astronomically low.
I for one would like to know what mitigation studies the IRS conducted to determine the root cause of these clusters of failures.

Did they bring in any experts to study the power in the affected offices?

Did they measure EM and RF interference?

Really, did they do anything at all? Should be an easy question to answer.
 
See, originally, the IRS said that they didn't bother informing Congress that Lois Lerner's hard drive had crashed and her emails lost because they thought they could still recover those emails from other people's hard drives -- the people she corresponded and coordinated with.

The IRS didn't want Congress to get "the wrong idea," they said. They didn't want Congress to go off half-cocked, thinking there was some kind of kooky conspiracy to destroy evidence.

Well. Now they've looked into her correspondents' hard drives to see if the emails could be recovered from them, and whoops, up to 20 additional hard drives may have crashed, a bunch involving people Lerner was known to interact with.

So that's it, then, huh?

aceofspades
 
IRS Reports Even More Computer Crashes

I'm sure the resident tools have no issues with this. For the rest of us, this is starting to become more than a statistical anomaly. The odds of this many hard drives crashing that just so happen to be linked to the emails for the time frame in question has got to be astronomically low.
That depends on the size of the data set, i.e., how many PCs are included in the group they're considering, the age of the PCs, and the length of time. For example, we learned the original "seven drives" failed over a three year period, from 2011 to 2014. It would probably also be useful to learn what they mean by "crash". For example, is that just drive failures or does it include related problems like corrupted OS and physical damage due to drops, spills, etc?

Once again, we need to get the politicians and executives out of the middle of this, and get real data directly from IRS IT. Right now we have too many clueless officials trying to paraphrase and interpret, leaving everyone in the dark. Let's hear actual data instead of the spin of partisan actors.


Edit: one note of caution re. this new story -- I did a little digging at more reputable sites. This story is apparently based on a partial transcript of testimony, released by Republican members of the House Ways and Means committee. In the past, when Darrell Issa released partial information, it invariably turned out to be cherry-picked statements, deliberately taken out of context to be deceptive. Whether the Ways and Means members who released this partial transcript are equally slimy has yet to be seen. Hopefully not, and hopefully we will get the full transcript soon so we can review the entire testimony,
 
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So, uhh, if all lines of inquiry lead nowhere, when will Repubs force Lerner to testify under immunity?

Is the purpose to reveal the truth or maintain conspiracy theory?

The answers are apparently too obvious for the usual chumps & ravers.
 
Is the FBI in possession of the "crashed" hard drives?
Not so far as we know, nor does it seem likely. The IRS standard process is apparently to "recycle" drives after they're done with their recovery work. Given that Lerner's drive crashed almost a year before any investigations even started, it seems safe to assume her drive is long gone. I don't know about the other six drives, except the most recent crash was sometime in 2014.
 
That depends on the size of the data set, i.e., how many PCs are included in the group they're considering, the age of the PCs, and the length of time. For example, we learned the original "seven drives" failed over a three year period, from 2011 to 2014. It would probably also be useful to learn what they mean by "crash". For example, is that just drive failures or does it include related problems like corrupted OS and physical damage due to drops, spills, etc?

Once again, we need to get the politicians and executives out of the middle of this, and get real data directly from IRS IT. Right now we have too many clueless officials trying to paraphrase and interpret, leaving everyone in the dark. Let's hear actual data instead of the spin of partisan actors.


Edit: one note of caution re. this new story -- I did a little digging at more reputable sites. This story is apparently based on a partial transcript of testimony, released by Republican members of the House Ways and Means committee. In the past, when Darrell Issa released partial information, it invariably turned out to be cherry-picked statements, deliberately taken out of context to be deceptive. Whether the Ways and Means members who released this partial transcript are equally slimy has yet to be seen. Hopefully not, and hopefully we will get the full transcript soon so we can review the entire testimony,

Your patience is remarkable. OTOH, I think you may be mistaken in attempting to reason with committed conspiracy theorists. Only convenient facts matter to them, particularly any that can be strung together in support of what they believed before those facts became available. They're like trained circus animals who perform on cue in a mindless fashion.

It's just another episode in the Birther Benghazi series, distraction from the economic horror story their own policy has wrought.
 
So reputable, you even sourced it.

In before I didn't have time to BS. You're such a tool.
Piss off, asshat. I believe it was either Politico or CNN where I found the more detailed article. I didn't quote it nor did I say your link was inaccurate in this case; I therefore saw no reason to link it. Since this is a brand new story, I expect details will remain sparse until someone like the Washington Post gets their article up. They seem to provide the best depth overall for D.C. politics.

But now that we've brushed your childish duhversion aside, I'll note that you didn't address even one of the actual points I raised. You didn't even try. You just threw a hissy fit over one trivial comment. You're kind of a failboat when it comes to actual discussion.
 
Not so far as we know, nor does it seem likely. The IRS standard process is apparently to "recycle" drives after they're done with their recovery work. Given that Lerner's drive crashed almost a year before any investigations even started, it seems safe to assume her drive is long gone. I don't know about the other six drives, except the most recent crash was sometime in 2014.

They're extremely obtuse, huh? Of course they are. To listen to them tell it, the IRS should archive every bit of busted computer junk just in case Congressional "investigators" might want to see it a few years down the road.
 
See, originally, the IRS said that they didn't bother informing Congress that Lois Lerner's hard drive had crashed and her emails lost because they thought they could still recover those emails from other people's hard drives -- the people she corresponded and coordinated with.

The IRS didn't want Congress to get "the wrong idea," they said. They didn't want Congress to go off half-cocked, thinking there was some kind of kooky conspiracy to destroy evidence.

Well. Now they've looked into her correspondents' hard drives to see if the emails could be recovered from them, and whoops, up to 20 additional hard drives may have crashed, a bunch involving people Lerner was known to interact with.

So that's it, then, huh?

aceofspades
All G-d's chilluns had hard drive crashes, none of which were recoverable and none of which were backed up according to the law. Because convenient coincidence IS now the most powerful force in D.C.

That depends on the size of the data set, i.e., how many PCs are included in the group they're considering, the age of the PCs, and the length of time. For example, we learned the original "seven drives" failed over a three year period, from 2011 to 2014. It would probably also be useful to learn what they mean by "crash". For example, is that just drive failures or does it include related problems like corrupted OS and physical damage due to drops, spills, etc?

Once again, we need to get the politicians and executives out of the middle of this, and get real data directly from IRS IT. Right now we have too many clueless officials trying to paraphrase and interpret, leaving everyone in the dark. Let's hear actual data instead of the spin of partisan actors.


Edit: one note of caution re. this new story -- I did a little digging at more reputable sites. This story is apparently based on a partial transcript of testimony, released by Republican members of the House Ways and Means committee. In the past, when Darrell Issa released partial information, it invariably turned out to be cherry-picked statements, deliberately taken out of context to be deceptive. Whether the Ways and Means members who released this partial transcript are equally slimy has yet to be seen. Hopefully not, and hopefully we will get the full transcript soon so we can review the entire testimony,
😀 The FBI is already on it, and besides, it never happened!

Get your Bowfinger today! Bowfinger, the one tool that serves all your political needs!
 
Piss off, asshat. I believe it was either Politico or CNN where I found the more detailed article. I didn't quote it nor did I say your link was inaccurate in this case; I therefore saw no reason to link it. Since this is a brand new story, I expect details will remain sparse until someone like the Washington Post gets their article up. They seem to provide the best depth overall for D.C. politics.

But now that we've brushed your childish duhversion aside, I'll note that you didn't address even one of the actual points I raised. You didn't even try. You just threw a hissy fit over one trivial comment. You're kind of a failboat when it comes to actual discussion.

So now my link wasn't inaccurate. But yet you've taken time to edit a post to claim that it may not be the whole story thereby calling its contents into question. All the while not even taking time to link where you said you saw this claim. Then you go off on Issa, yet again, when he isn't even mentioned. And I'm the one duhverting?

I addressed all of your points in the last several pages, tool. Its pointless to argue with someone who actually believes any of the narrative the IRS is spewing. You've taken a painstaking approach at making sure that you can convince yourself and anyone else willing to believe you that what has transpired at the IRS is at all believable. You've concocted an excuse or explanation for everything in defense of the IRS's actions, no matter how devoid or distant from reality it may be. Your last post was a shining example of this. So again I say its pointless to argue with the likes of you on this subject.
 
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😀 The FBI is already on it, and besides, it never happened!

Get your Bowfinger today! Bowfinger, the one tool that serves all your political needs!
Hey! Looks like Inconsequential's dumber brother is here. He has nothing to offer but is compelled to shoot off his mouth anyway, wasting Anand's electrons one useless post after another. Let the butt-hurt flow, twit for brains.
 
Hey! Looks like Inconsequential's dumber brother is here. He has nothing to offer but is compelled to shoot off his mouth anyway, wasting Anand's electrons one useless post after another. Let the butt-hurt flow, twit for brains.
Humor is infinitely more useful than is continuously paving the way for tyranny with apologies and irrational rationalizing, dude.

By the way, humor is that thing that makes normal people sometimes laugh even though you can't see a Republican who was just hit by a bus. Another mystery solved?
 
So now my link wasn't inaccurate. But yet you've taken time to edit a post to claim that it may not be the whole story thereby calling its contents into question. All the while not even taking time to link where you said you saw this claim. Then you go off on Issa, yet again, when he isn't even mentioned. And I'm the one duhverting?
Yes, you are. The simple fact is that previous wing-nut stories based on "partial transcripts" leaked by Republican Congressmen have proven to be lies. Thus, this story should be considered unsubstantiated until we get more solid information, preferably the complete transcript. I'm sorry if that's too complex for your tiny mind to follow.

By the way, for those not following along, here's exactly what I said that sent Biffy into such a rage: "I did a little digging at more reputable sites." Whether he likes it or not, The Daily Caller is an openly biased "news" source, a slightly more polished version of Breitbart. It's where nutters go to reinforce their biases. That doesn't mean everything it prints is false. It does mean intelligent people will seek independent verification before accepting its stories, however. That's exactly what I was doing.


I addressed all of your points in the last several pages, tool.
Really? So the number of drives in the pool doesn't matter when considering the number of failures? The time period doesn't matter? The age of the drives doesn't matter? The information we get from politicians is just as technically useful as that from technical specialists? That's really interesting. Interesting in the sense that only a total hypocrite would suggest that while calling someone else a tool.


Its pointless to argue with someone who actually believes any of the narrative the IRS is spewing. You've taken a painstaking approach at making sure that you can convince yourself and anyone else willing to believe you that what has transpired at the IRS is at all believable. You've concocted an excuse or explanation for everything in defense of the IRS's actions, no matter how devoid or distant from reality it may be. Your last post was a shining example of this. So again I say its pointless to argue with the likes of you on this subject.
Yawn. To put it bluntly, you're outright lying. I've tried throughout to stick to facts, and to get others to stick to facts. Partisan conspiracy loons like you ignore any facts that challenge your party's propaganda, but eagerly swallow whatever they tell you to think, no matter how ridiculous or imaginary it may be,
 
IRS Reports Even More Computer Crashes

I'm sure the resident tools have no issues with this. For the rest of us, this is starting to become more than a statistical anomaly. The odds of this many hard drives crashing that just so happen to be linked to the emails for the time frame in question has got to be astronomically low.

Astronomically low seems to be good enough for a lot of people around here. It's almost like a bad comedy routine to those of us who don't have our heads shoved so far up Obama's ass they can see if his tonsils are out.
 
Your patience is remarkable. OTOH, I think you may be mistaken in attempting to reason with committed conspiracy theorists. Only convenient facts matter to them, particularly any that can be strung together in support of what they believed before those facts became available. They're like trained circus animals who perform on cue in a mindless fashion.

It's just another episode in the Birther Benghazi series, distraction from the economic horror story their own policy has wrought.
I'm not really attempting to reason with them. They are ultimately irrelevant, noisy sheep lacking honesty and critical thinking skills. I do find the story itself both interesting and important, however. As I said from day one, IF the IRS truly was acting with partisan intent, it is completely unacceptable. It needs to be exposed and those involved punished. Unfortunately, the nutter clowns and partisan conspiracy tools have so tainted the investigations that I'm concerned we may never get to the whole truth. That mostly falls on Issa, of course, but his legions of raging fan boys has aggravated the damage with their incessant, ignorant screeching.

My goal here has largely been separating facts from their never-ending dump of supposition and innuendo. It is easy to get accidentally sucked into their disinformation bubble. Factual source materials often take digging while their propaganda is catapulted from literally hundreds of sites.
 

"MAY" still exist.

Here is is the key part of the transcript between Kane and House Oversight investigators:


Kane: There is an issue as to whether or not there is a — that all of the backup recovery tapes were destroyed on the 6-month retention schedule.

Investigator: So some of those backup tapes may still exist?

Kane: I don't know whether they are or they aren't, but it's an issue that's being looked at.
 
"MAY" still exist.

Here is is the key part of the transcript between Kane and House Oversight investigators:


Kane: There is an issue as to whether or not there is a — that all of the backup recovery tapes were destroyed on the 6-month retention schedule.

Investigator: So some of those backup tapes may still exist?

Kane: I don't know whether they are or they aren't, but it's an issue that's being looked at.
Or in other words:

LOOK! SQUIRREL!

Any true believers could become rich on the odds bookies will give for these emails being produced.
 
Or in other words:

LOOK! SQUIRREL!

Any true believers could become rich on the odds bookies will give for these emails being produced.

I have no idea if they will be produced or not, but I'm going to be curious to see your response if they are considering your numerous proclamations of conspiracy, etc. I have no doubt you'll find a way to rationalize it, but it will be neat to see what contortions you resort to.
 
But wait, the emails being lost is part of a grand conspiracy?

Maybe the emails are in Benghazi.

A problem is that the IRS (officials) keeps changing the story every time that are asked.

That creates suspicion that something is being prevented from coming out unless forced.

If one is shown to not be able to do their job; at this point, a canning should be expected.

If one did their job under direction for something that they knew was wrong; then to play CYA, some documentation would be expected to be done.

This play has been going on long enough; stonewalling is being obvious. Question is why - what are they trying to cover up.
Incompetence or more.

they know that someone else is going down; question is who and why.
 
I have no idea if they will be produced or not, but I'm going to be curious to see your response if they are considering your numerous proclamations of conspiracy, etc. I have no doubt you'll find a way to rationalize it, but it will be neat to see what contortions you resort to.
I'm currently wavering between "Somebody missed a copy" and "Somebody couldn't stand the heat of making such patently ridiculous claims in public".

However, I want to make it plain right now that if I DO say either of those things it will be purely coincidental.
 
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