IRS Scandal explodes. "no evidence that would support a criminal prosecution."

[werepossum]

A problem is that the IRS (officials) keeps changing the story every time that are asked.

That creates suspicion that something is being prevented from coming out unless forced.

If one is shown to not be able to do their job; at this point, a canning should be expected.

If one did their job under direction for something that they knew was wrong; then to play CYA, some documentation would be expected to be done.

This play has been going on long enough; stonewalling is being obvious. Question is why - what are they trying to cover up.
Incompetence or more.

they know that someone else is going down; question is who and why.

It can't be incompetence as that is their defense. Why would anyone claim incompetence to cover up incompetence?

 

[Jhhnn]

A problem is that the IRS (officials) keeps changing the story every time that are asked.

Hogwash. They've gone from "we believe the emails have been lost" to "we may be able to find them anyway".

Explain how that's contradictory or how it's stonewalling at all.

 

[Bowfinger]

A problem is that the IRS (officials) keeps changing the story every time that are asked.

That creates suspicion that something is being prevented from coming out unless forced. ...

That's why we should just let the FBI and Inspector General do their jobs, without the Congressional clown show. Professional investigators will dig through this, layer by layer, until they have a complete picture. At that point, they will release the results as a definitive record. Congress demands instant gratification, regardless of whether their target has the information or not. This puts the target in a lose-lose. They either provide tentative information, knowing that it is subject to change, or they refuse to provide tentative information leading to allegations of stonewalling. Either way, Congresscritters will leak bits and pieces that suit their agenda, even though they've been cautioned that the target is still gathering information.

This new bit about maybe having some tapes is a good example of this (and reportedly was discovered during the IG investigation). The IRS has apparently discovered that not all backup tapes are always scratched after six months. They don't yet know what tapes, or what may be on those tapes, but only that some additional tapes exist. From the IG perspective, this is something to be further investigated, but is not for publication since they don't know what they have. For Congress, however, this incomplete tidbit is another chance to stoke the flames so they immediately leak it. Rinse and repeat, hundreds of times, and all Congress has accomplished is tainting the serious, professional investigations.

 

[Bowfinger]

What is your technical background in regards to hard drives?

His silence speaks volumes.

 

[UberNeuman]

His silence speaks volumes.

His volumes are write protected.

 

[ivwshane]

His volumes are write protected.

I'm pretty sure they suffer from head failure😉

 

[First]

I'm pretty sure they suffer from head failure😉

More like lack of head failure.

 

[Jhhnn]

More like lack of head failure.

Defective firmware from the factory.

 

[xBiffx]

I love it when all the tools are organized so nicely in the same drawer. Thanks for that.

 

[cabri]

Hogwash. They've gone from "we believe the emails have been lost" to "we may be able to find them anyway".

Explain how that's contradictory or how it's stonewalling at all.

Original story - emails were lost
Next - here are some documents
Next - we found some more
Next - we think that there may be more.

Everytime they are pushed ie. told that the story is swiss cheese, more information seems to show.

They tell the courts that everything was lost/destroyed.

IRS auditors do not allow information to be produced in dribbles when asked. You get one shot and that is it.
But the IRS expects to fool the American public.

It will be interesting to explain this one. It is not like they had to answer the courts in 1 week; they were given a month to provide the answers.

 

[MongGrel]

Robin Williams (Weapons of Self Destruction)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IG3LgusJ3Q

 

[Matt1970]

Original story - emails were lost
Next - here are some documents
Next - we found some more
Next - we think that there may be more.

Everytime they are pushed ie. told that the story is swiss cheese, more information seems to show.

They tell the courts that everything was lost/destroyed.

IRS auditors do not allow information to be produced in dribbles when asked. You get one shot and that is it.
But the IRS expects to fool the American public.

It will be interesting to explain this one. It is not like they had to answer the courts in 1 week; they were given a month to provide the answers.

And remember, this is the government organization that insists you keep detailed records for 7 years.

 

[Jhhnn]

Original story - emails were lost
Next - here are some documents
Next - we found some more
Next - we think that there may be more.

Everytime they are pushed ie. told that the story is swiss cheese, more information seems to show.

They tell the courts that everything was lost/destroyed.

IRS auditors do not allow information to be produced in dribbles when asked. You get one shot and that is it.
But the IRS expects to fool the American public.

It will be interesting to explain this one. It is not like they had to answer the courts in 1 week; they were given a month to provide the answers.

How lame, how utterly hooked on conspiracy theory.

They wanted Lerner's emails. The IRS said they'd been lost because they were stored on her computer when the drive crashed & parts were unrecoverable, documented 10 months prior to the beginning of Issa's circus.

They said they wanted them from the recipient's computers & IRS records. The IRS email retention policy sucked before the incident ever took place, so a lot of that is unavailable as well. Hardware failures documented prior to the request made that more difficult. What they found, they provided.

And now some IRS talking head thinks that there "may" be achived tapes, but he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground about IRS IT workings, anyway.

I really don't know the breadth & depth of what occurred, but I'm absolutely certain that Repubs don't really care about that- they have chunks of red meat conspiracy theory for the faithful, and that's what really matters. You're gnawing on your portion right now.

If they really want to know, they'll force Lerner to testify under immunity. It's just that easy. Given that they refuse to use the tools at their disposal, the rest is just bullshit.

 

[Bowfinger]

Original story - emails were lost
Next - here are some documents
Next - we found some more
Next - we think that there may be more.

Everytime they are pushed ie. told that the story is swiss cheese, more information seems to show.

They tell the courts that everything was lost/destroyed.

IRS auditors do not allow information to be produced in dribbles when asked. You get one shot and that is it.
But the IRS expects to fool the American public.

It will be interesting to explain this one. It is not like they had to answer the courts in 1 week; they were given a month to provide the answers.

That's why we should just let the FBI and Inspector General do their jobs, without the Congressional clown show. Professional investigators will dig through this, layer by layer, until they have a complete picture. At that point, they will release the results as a definitive record. Congress demands instant gratification, regardless of whether their target has the information or not. This puts the target in a lose-lose. They either provide tentative information, knowing that it is subject to change, or they refuse to provide tentative information leading to allegations of stonewalling. Either way, Congresscritters will leak bits and pieces that suit their agenda, even though they've been cautioned that the target is still gathering information.

This new bit about maybe having some tapes is a good example of this (and reportedly was discovered during the IG investigation). The IRS has apparently discovered that not all backup tapes are always scratched after six months. They don't yet know what tapes, or what may be on those tapes, but only that some additional tapes exist. From the IG perspective, this is something to be further investigated, but is not for publication since they don't know what they have. For Congress, however, this incomplete tidbit is another chance to stoke the flames so they immediately leak it. Rinse and repeat, hundreds of times, and all Congress has accomplished is tainting the serious, professional investigations.

(And for the record, your list is a highly distorted, purely partisan spin on what has actually happened.)

 

[cabri]

That's why we should just let the FBI and Inspector General do their jobs, without the Congressional clown show. Professional investigators will dig through this, layer by layer, until they have a complete picture. At that point, they will release the results as a definitive record. Congress demands instant gratification, regardless of whether their target has the information or not. This puts the target in a lose-lose. They either provide tentative information, knowing that it is subject to change, or they refuse to provide tentative information leading to allegations of stonewalling. Either way, Congresscritters will leak bits and pieces that suit their agenda, even though they've been cautioned that the target is still gathering information.

This new bit about maybe having some tapes is a good example of this (and reportedly was discovered during the IG investigation). The IRS has apparently discovered that not all backup tapes are always scratched after six months. They don't yet know what tapes, or what may be on those tapes, but only that some additional tapes exist. From the IG perspective, this is something to be further investigated, but is not for publication since they don't know what they have. For Congress, however, this incomplete tidbit is another chance to stoke the flames so they immediately leak it. Rinse and repeat, hundreds of times, and all Congress has accomplished is tainting the serious, professional investigations.

(And for the record, your list is a highly distorted, purely partisan spin on what has actually happened.)

I will agree that an independent investigation should happen outside of Congress.

Also, it should be outside of the FBI/Justice.

Both groups (congress and Justice have shown that the have political axes to grind for their masters.

While the FBI may be more impartial; they still answer to Justice and have previously been shown to be politically manipulable.

My list was not intended to be accurate, but to sample that everytime the IRS is being called on the carpet; their story changes.

 

[Jhhnn]

My list was not intended to be accurate

No shit, Sherlock. It was merely intended to inflame the idiots, pander to conspiracy. That'll happen a lot when you try to paraphrase right wing pander points better formulated than you can possibly hope to accomplish. Smearing shit is best left to professionals. If you're dumb enough to believe it, you're too dumb to do it as well as they do.

Just copy/pasta & link from whatever right wing rag gave you the idea in the first place.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Lerner's hard drive was only scratched and was considered recoverable by IRS technicians. In fact, they recommended using an outside service to recover the emails. Instead, the hard drive was recycled. Hmmm.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/213038-gop-lerners-emails-could-have-been-recovered

 

[fskimospy]

Lerner's hard drive was only scratched and was considered recoverable by IRS technicians. In fact, they recommended using an outside service to recover the emails. Instead, the hard drive was recycled. Hmmm.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/213038-gop-lerners-emails-could-have-been-recovered

This is a... selective reading of the article to say the least. Doesn't it seem odd to only report what one side of the committee said and not the other?

Additionally, do you think that the IRS should send all crashed hard drives to external agencies for expensive recovery work?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

This is a... selective reading of the article to say the least. Doesn't it seem odd to only report what one side of the committee said and not the other?

Additionally, do you think that the IRS should send all crashed hard drives to external agencies for expensive recovery work?

Is anything I posted factually incorrect?

 

[fskimospy]

Is anything I posted factually incorrect?

Impossible to know! You're taking the statements of a Republican spokesman as fact when it should be abundantly clear to any rational individual that taking political spokesmen's statements as fact is a pretty silly thing to do. Do you believe that the White House press secretary gives you the truth?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Impossible to know! You're taking the statements of a Republican spokesman as fact when it should be abundantly clear to any rational individual that taking political spokesmen's statements as fact is a pretty silly thing to do. Do you believe that the White House press secretary gives you the truth?

None of the points I posted were disputed by committee Democrats.

 

[fskimospy]

None of the points I posted were disputed by committee Democrats.

You should re-read your own article then. Republicans said that it was recommended to send the hard drive to outside experts. Democrats said that the techs tried repeatedly to recover the data and upon failing said that they could try sending it somewhere else. Those are two very different accountings.

What's also mentioned is that the techs concluded the hard drive damage was accidental. Considering that such a finding basically precludes any possibility of conspiracy to hide data, that seems like an awfully interesting finding, wouldn't you think?

 

[thraashman]

Is anything I posted factually incorrect?

Yes, it was factually incorrect and even the article you posted points out how it's factually incorrect...

the analyst made multiple unsuccessful efforts to recover the lost data, and merely said the IRS could choose to send it to outside specialists for one final try.

“What’s more, he told investigators that he did not think Lerner’s hard drive crash was deliberate

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You should re-read your own article then. Republicans said that it was recommended to send the hard drive to outside experts. Democrats said that the techs tried repeatedly to recover the data and upon failing said that they could try sending it somewhere else. Those are two very different accountings.

WTF? They're effectively saying the same thing. I'm starting to worry about you...again.

What's also mentioned is that the techs concluded the hard drive damage was accidental. Considering that such a finding basically precludes any possibility of conspiracy to hide data, that seems like an awfully interesting finding, wouldn't you think?

Do you believe this is factual?

 

[fskimospy]

WTF? They're effectively saying the same thing. I'm starting to worry about you...again.

They really aren't. I'm a little distressed about you as well, it seems like you've been having increasing difficulty evaluating this in a rational matter. Saying "I recommend you send this to x" and saying "I can't do anything with this but you could ask someone else" are two hugely different things.

I would have thought that was obvious.

Do you believe this is factual?

I have no idea as I don't take the statements of spokesmen as factual. Considering you do and you are unbiased however I can only assume that you are equally willing to accept this as factual. In that case to you that should mean case closed.