Hayabusa Rider
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Well, old windbag Teddy had something true to say. I personally don't like the man, but I don't see where he is wrong here.
Well, old windbag Teddy had something true to say. I personally don't like the man, but I don't see where he is wrong here.
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: Michelle
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: Michelle
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: Michelle
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Think again about who is going to build this "strong nation" . Nice strawman building, too. Not one liberal on this board ever said or implied they wanted the election to fail. How WAS is going to fail anyway Condor? Like no one was going to show up? Too bad these brave, brave people did not have the courage to do this THEMSELVES a long, long time ago. Remember while you repugs are high 5'ing each other like you actually won a prize, that a thousand+ Amercans died for this, show them some respect and put your partisan tripe on the back burner for one day.
The only way for these people to not have died in vane is for this election to work, for the IRAQI people to START STANDING UP FOR THEMSELVES, and with our help and THEIR own police, security, etc, make these insurgants a distant memory. Then get our boys and girls the hell out of there.for those who have fallen.
Liberals have done nothing but give the impression that they want this election to fail, this war to fail, and for America to fail. They are the most negative and miserable group of human beings that exist in the world today. As a matter of fact, I can't think of one truly positive and happy liberal. They want this election to fail because they want BUSH to fail. If Bush fails, then they're happy. They are so wrapped up in their own anger they don't care about the Iraqis. They really don't care about the soilders either. They continuously make statements thath demoralize the troops, continuously making statements about how we shouldn't get too excited about this election because it will fail, continuously make statements that the insurgents that BEHEAD people, and KILL THEMSELVES ALONG WITH OTHERS, are only a political opposition group that has rights just like the Iraqi people.
It is the liberals like you that say that the Iraqi people and soilders (I assume) will have died in vain if this election fails. B.S.! No one fighting for freedom has died in vain. They died for a cause they believe in, something you obviously don't respect or understand. You need to take a long look at yourself and ask yourself if anyone should have died for any of the rights you have in this life. Do you think that every battle that was fought for your rights was won right away? When you're fighting for something sometimes you have to get up again and again until freedom prevails. I can only assume you're a quitter. You're one of those people who just wants to give up and be able to say these people died in vain if this election doesn't work. Who are YOU to decide that these people died in vain? Who are YOU? A nobody. A nobody that is so miserable with your own life, you can't stand to see President Bush suceed, you can't stand to see the Iraqi people suceed, and you can't stand to hear that people like you are just as bad as the insurgents. The reason you can't stand sucess, is because your probably nothing but a big failure yourself.
So, of these two groups, who has killed more Iraqis?
1. The US.
2. The insurgents.
My problem is not with conservatives, but bloodthirsty asses who sell democracy at the point of a gun. I think both groups get off on the bloodletting. I believe nothing excites them so much as the thought of blowing up "terrorists" whether they are such or not. Collateral damage is a nice catch all phrase for a child leaning over a dead parent because your President wanted it to be.
It isn't democracy most of us oppose, but your patriotic fervor and you animalistic desire to convert or kill. I know why you are happy. It's because you are getting to murder, and don't even have to do it yourself.
At least have the courage to get up close and personal and stick the knife in yourself.
Winston, I'm not stupid enough to stick the knife in myself that the many that voted for Kerry threatened to do when he lost the election. You see, I'm a sane person. Do you know what that word means? If you look it up in the dictionary, you will see that you do not fit that description. The insurgents, many former Saddam thugs killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians. Do you remember hearing about the mass graves, the torture chambers, and the plastic shredders that were used to shred Iraqi people? Hmm. I wonder who the bad guys are? The Iraqi people were not forced by gun to vote. Many families dressed in their finest clothes to go vote. What about the chilldren that SADDAM killed? What about the parents of the children that SADDAM killed? Why don't we ever hear any outrage about that?
I assure you that there is no animalistic desire to convert or kill within myself. I think Saddam may have had an animalistic desire to CONVERT and KILL. I think the insurgents who beheaded innocent contractors with dull knives have an animalistic desire to CONVERT and KILL. If people or conservatives like me had this desire you so speak of, do you think people like you would exist in America? I don't think so. You have obviously watched too many movies in your lifetime and your perspective of reality is skewed.
You're statements are so funny! Thanks for laugh! You people crack me up!
Little girl I have killed for this country. Close and personal. You disregard your countries responsibility by point to the actions of another. Let me tell you I have seen families grieve over their dead. Do you think it's all clean and neat? You exist in america because of people like me who have done the dirty work. Let me tell you most of us would do it again, but would much rather achieve the ends by much less than full scale war. So when you start preaching about thing you have no knowlege of, I suggest you consider what you say to that mother holding her dead child because they got caught in a firefight. Going to hand them a Jeb in '08 sticker?
There are alternatives to what we have. Only a scoundrel would be proud of being "the war President" That is the marker of failure and shame. We did not have to proceed as we did, but you go on thinking we did. The rest of us will carry on nicely, thank you.
You've killed for this country? Was it worth it? You've done the dirty work for my freedom? People like my father and my husband have done a lot of the dirty work for people like you too, little man.
I find it funny that someone like you accuses me of having an animalistic desire to CONVERT or KILL, and then connect my happiness with the Iraqi people voting as stemming from a desire to murder, PREPOSTEROUS! I've seen people grieve over their dead, as well. A lot of us have. Don't presume you're the only one who has experienced this hardship. What do you say to the child who has lost their raped and tortured mother at the hands of Saddam? What do you say to the families of the 300,000.00 + dead that Saddam was responsible for? You think there was a better way to handle this? Tell me.
Many had ideas how this could have been handled differently. Saddam could have been so tightly locked down he could hardly breathe. We did it with the no fly zone. We could have extended that principle and choke him. We could have tried at least. No, got to have our little war. However you once again miss the point that because someone kills the innocent, it does not justify doing the same.
So your argument is "well it could be worse kid. Saddam could have done it instead of me." I know what Saddam did. I know what we did too. You think in terms of Good US vs Bad them. Well sometimes both sides do things they should not. Saddam? Hell, any of us could have gladly put a bullet in his brain. The problem is who elses brains do you have to blow up to get his? Doesn't matter much? Well your attitude says so. As long as Saddam kills 300,000 it's ok to kill 30k.
Was it worth it for me? Hmm... that depends on the day. Often after reading generalizations about people who have sincere doubts when marching into countries guns blazing I think not.
Far as your father and husband go, we'll call it even. You personally havent done a damn thing.
AMERICA did not target civilians. Saddam's intent was to kill innocent people. There is a HUGE difference. Placing Iraqis in plastic shredders was just something Saddam shouldn't have done???
No one said it's okay to kill innocent people! We are not there to kill innocent people. How can you not understand this?
I haven't done damn thing? How would you know? Tell my about myself. I'd like to hear your opinion since you know nothing of what I have contributed to any cause.
BTW, what branch of the military were you in? What war did you fight in? I'm curious.
Don't you fvcking DARE attack someone for being sanctimonious. That is your entire persona on this forum, so please -- admit at least that you are mad because he/she is stealing that from you. Speaking of fluffers -- you were noticeably vacant from any thread that has EVER criticized the left or Kerry. You are more partisan that anyone on the forum, so your rant is a projection at best. Lets not get into your pretentious whining and crying over anything that goes against your preconceived notions. You are the first to say that someone is mentally vacuous, yet you parrot the mentally vacuous like a twelve-stepper. Congrats for being a bigger hypocrite than Rush Limbaugh. That must suck being compared to your anti-christ, eh?
BTW, you are on the wrong forum if you wish to engage in an "OMG IRAQ SHOULD FAIL I HATE BUSH self-fellatio party"
I wish that I could brag that I was home schooled. Oh, and I'm not pretending to be a girl, I'm being the woman I am (which is twice the man you are) and who just so happens to not have any problem turning heads. Unfortunately, sometimes pansy men like you take a look and only wish...
Slur? Damn, you are the biggest hypocrite ever. You are 10 seconds from being the next Dave Mcowen, so don't puff up in hysterics and start accusing someone of slurring your ideology. It is being attacked for a reason, that is because your side has put up with morons such a jpeyton, Supertool and BarneyFife without EVER condemning them. If you want condemnation, then you start with them for wishing death on our troops and a failure in Iraq. Otherwise, it is just your typical bleating and whining.
umbrella39
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Heck, you probably wish I was a teenage boy, don't you? And at least one part of my anatomy was "chubby."
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Of boy, that was really good, Michelle. Stick to fluffing Bush and speaking for the troups. And please keep your small pee pee talk over in OT where it belongs.
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Hayabusa Rider
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Originally posted by: Michelle
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: Michelle
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: Michelle
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: Michelle
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Think again about who is going to build this "strong nation" . Nice strawman building, too. Not one liberal on this board ever said or implied they wanted the election to fail. How WAS is going to fail anyway Condor? Like no one was going to show up? Too bad these brave, brave people did not have the courage to do this THEMSELVES a long, long time ago. Remember while you repugs are high 5'ing each other like you actually won a prize, that a thousand+ Amercans died for this, show them some respect and put your partisan tripe on the back burner for one day.
The only way for these people to not have died in vane is for this election to work, for the IRAQI people to START STANDING UP FOR THEMSELVES, and with our help and THEIR own police, security, etc, make these insurgants a distant memory. Then get our boys and girls the hell out of there.for those who have fallen.
Liberals have done nothing but give the impression that they want this election to fail, this war to fail, and for America to fail. They are the most negative and miserable group of human beings that exist in the world today. As a matter of fact, I can't think of one truly positive and happy liberal. They want this election to fail because they want BUSH to fail. If Bush fails, then they're happy. They are so wrapped up in their own anger they don't care about the Iraqis. They really don't care about the soilders either. They continuously make statements thath demoralize the troops, continuously making statements about how we shouldn't get too excited about this election because it will fail, continuously make statements that the insurgents that BEHEAD people, and KILL THEMSELVES ALONG WITH OTHERS, are only a political opposition group that has rights just like the Iraqi people.
It is the liberals like you that say that the Iraqi people and soilders (I assume) will have died in vain if this election fails. B.S.! No one fighting for freedom has died in vain. They died for a cause they believe in, something you obviously don't respect or understand. You need to take a long look at yourself and ask yourself if anyone should have died for any of the rights you have in this life. Do you think that every battle that was fought for your rights was won right away? When you're fighting for something sometimes you have to get up again and again until freedom prevails. I can only assume you're a quitter. You're one of those people who just wants to give up and be able to say these people died in vain if this election doesn't work. Who are YOU to decide that these people died in vain? Who are YOU? A nobody. A nobody that is so miserable with your own life, you can't stand to see President Bush suceed, you can't stand to see the Iraqi people suceed, and you can't stand to hear that people like you are just as bad as the insurgents. The reason you can't stand sucess, is because your probably nothing but a big failure yourself.
So, of these two groups, who has killed more Iraqis?
1. The US.
2. The insurgents.
My problem is not with conservatives, but bloodthirsty asses who sell democracy at the point of a gun. I think both groups get off on the bloodletting. I believe nothing excites them so much as the thought of blowing up "terrorists" whether they are such or not. Collateral damage is a nice catch all phrase for a child leaning over a dead parent because your President wanted it to be.
It isn't democracy most of us oppose, but your patriotic fervor and you animalistic desire to convert or kill. I know why you are happy. It's because you are getting to murder, and don't even have to do it yourself.
At least have the courage to get up close and personal and stick the knife in yourself.
Winston, I'm not stupid enough to stick the knife in myself that the many that voted for Kerry threatened to do when he lost the election. You see, I'm a sane person. Do you know what that word means? If you look it up in the dictionary, you will see that you do not fit that description. The insurgents, many former Saddam thugs killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians. Do you remember hearing about the mass graves, the torture chambers, and the plastic shredders that were used to shred Iraqi people? Hmm. I wonder who the bad guys are? The Iraqi people were not forced by gun to vote. Many families dressed in their finest clothes to go vote. What about the chilldren that SADDAM killed? What about the parents of the children that SADDAM killed? Why don't we ever hear any outrage about that?
I assure you that there is no animalistic desire to convert or kill within myself. I think Saddam may have had an animalistic desire to CONVERT and KILL. I think the insurgents who beheaded innocent contractors with dull knives have an animalistic desire to CONVERT and KILL. If people or conservatives like me had this desire you so speak of, do you think people like you would exist in America? I don't think so. You have obviously watched too many movies in your lifetime and your perspective of reality is skewed.
You're statements are so funny! Thanks for laugh! You people crack me up!
Little girl I have killed for this country. Close and personal. You disregard your countries responsibility by point to the actions of another. Let me tell you I have seen families grieve over their dead. Do you think it's all clean and neat? You exist in america because of people like me who have done the dirty work. Let me tell you most of us would do it again, but would much rather achieve the ends by much less than full scale war. So when you start preaching about thing you have no knowlege of, I suggest you consider what you say to that mother holding her dead child because they got caught in a firefight. Going to hand them a Jeb in '08 sticker?
There are alternatives to what we have. Only a scoundrel would be proud of being "the war President" That is the marker of failure and shame. We did not have to proceed as we did, but you go on thinking we did. The rest of us will carry on nicely, thank you.
You've killed for this country? Was it worth it? You've done the dirty work for my freedom? People like my father and my husband have done a lot of the dirty work for people like you too, little man.
I find it funny that someone like you accuses me of having an animalistic desire to CONVERT or KILL, and then connect my happiness with the Iraqi people voting as stemming from a desire to murder, PREPOSTEROUS! I've seen people grieve over their dead, as well. A lot of us have. Don't presume you're the only one who has experienced this hardship. What do you say to the child who has lost their raped and tortured mother at the hands of Saddam? What do you say to the families of the 300,000.00 + dead that Saddam was responsible for? You think there was a better way to handle this? Tell me.
Many had ideas how this could have been handled differently. Saddam could have been so tightly locked down he could hardly breathe. We did it with the no fly zone. We could have extended that principle and choke him. We could have tried at least. No, got to have our little war. However you once again miss the point that because someone kills the innocent, it does not justify doing the same.
So your argument is "well it could be worse kid. Saddam could have done it instead of me." I know what Saddam did. I know what we did too. You think in terms of Good US vs Bad them. Well sometimes both sides do things they should not. Saddam? Hell, any of us could have gladly put a bullet in his brain. The problem is who elses brains do you have to blow up to get his? Doesn't matter much? Well your attitude says so. As long as Saddam kills 300,000 it's ok to kill 30k.
Was it worth it for me? Hmm... that depends on the day. Often after reading generalizations about people who have sincere doubts when marching into countries guns blazing I think not.
Far as your father and husband go, we'll call it even. You personally havent done a damn thing.
AMERICA did not target civilians. Saddam's intent was to kill innocent people. There is a HUGE difference. Placing Iraqis in plastic shredders was just something Saddam shouldn't have done???
No one said it's okay to kill innocent people! We are not there to kill innocent people. How can you not understand this?
I haven't done damn thing? How would you know? Tell my about myself. I'd like to hear your opinion since you know nothing of what I have contributed to any cause.
BTW, what branch of the military were you in? What war did you fight in? I'm curious.
The effect is the same to the victims. How can you not understand this?
What can I tell you about yourself? I think you like to come onto internet forums and make broad sweeping comments about people, and dislike when they turn the tables on you. I think you are easily manipulated. You believe the ends justify the means. I think you categorize people who you like as conservative, and those who disagree with this war as liberals. I think you do it to marginalize them with what you consider to be a bad thing. I think your sense of pride in our action overwhelms any humility you might have otherwise.
My experiences in the service goes back to the late 60s and beyond. The details of that I rarely share with friends. I don't count you among them.
I like how this new "fluffing" Bush thing has taken hold. Must be your projection from having a sore jaw after the 2004 election...
umbrella39
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hmm don't rmember ever saying anything that even closely resembles that lie.
Nah, wrong again. I am not a troop demoralizer. Never once said the election would fail. I have however, said the entire romp in Iraq is a failure. Sorry kids, but we were told our national security was at risk over 100 times by this administration. When the justification for the war blew up in Bushs face, it became about freedom and liberty. Not a reason to send 1000's to off to die. But again Michelle, thanks for speakng for them and knowing that just because they enlisted, they died fighting for what they believe in. You don't know what the hell 2 of them felt about this war let alone 1000+. So stop acting like the authority.
More bullsh!t tripe that neither I nor anyone on this board has ever even hinted at as far as I know.
No, I said it failed the day the first American died for the lies of WMD. The election I am happy about since maybe we can save face.
See point above. You have no right to speak for any of them hypocrite.
This is not a game Michelle. I derive no pleasure from seeing Americans die and don't give GWB one twat hair of credit for any of this. He shed no blood. The soldiers deserve the credit. They are the ones dying. Trying and keep that in prospective.yllus, sounds like she was attacking someone in her reply? Maybe, could be? She is now PLONKED.
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Must be a Canadian thing to compare personal attacks to ones signature quoted from a post made here a few months back. Not even my words sport.
yllus
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60 seconds of research reveals... Arabs say Iraq vote gives democracy a bad name:
Nice work.
Must be a moron thing to think that putting a statement in one's sig isn't akin to espousing them as your own views. Good grief. :roll:
umbrella39
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Your bolded statment proves what? If you followed some of the other 20+ threads posted about this same topic I pointed out the hypocrisy of some of the right on this board who 2 years ago were calling for Iraq to be nuked and now care about their voting rights. I don't back down from that since it is the truth. Not 1 American life was worth it. You DO realize that here in America we pay taxes and have a voice? Right? About 50% DON'T feel their lives were worth any of this. Had they used the "freedom and democracy" you ranted about earlier in this thread as the justification 2 years ago, how many senators DO you think would have voted to give GWB carte blanche? *Crickets* ZERO. Some of us DON'T like being lied to. Some of us like it even less when the lies cost us American lives. How many soldiers that Michelle simply insists died fighting for what they believed in would enlist today if they were told they were going to spend 3+ years in the sand to give Iraqis the opportunity for a democracy? *crickets*
As for you sig fascination, grow up. I think the mods would have a very different view than your take of justifying personal attacks based on the contents of users signatures. My sig is not in question. Try and keep up with thead. If the mods have a problem with it, they can ask me to change it. I think only a moron thinks it would be OK to sh!t all over the board ragging on peoples sigs. If you don't like it, don't read it.
yllus
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Um, remember saying this?
My bolded statement proves rather concretely that even if it was a personal attack, she could not have picked a better target than you. Which she didn't, but you seem to feel so anyways. Even though you do the same via your sig in every post you make, inside P&N or not.
*I* need to grow up? You're supposedly thirty-nine and you can't keep track of your own statements made the same day in your little quest to be anti-anything Republican. Considering you're the one who started off in here by calling a new poster a troll, alleging she's homeschooled from the backwoods, alleging she's a teenage boy. She finally responds to you, and you cry foul. Boo hoo. Go run crying to the mods.
umbrella39
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Home schooling makes plenty of sense these days, well for some people. Especially when you consider how **well** how Public Schools are performing. But of course the responsibility lies with the parents. You see, students all over the world are performing at much higher levels than our American students, and I think thats a shame. We have to hold out politicians responsible for that. Call you local congressman or congresswoman and complain.
Originally posted by: yllus
Oh Christ...he even turned off recieving private messages after sending that one to me! I love you, man. You have so totally made my night.
rofl, Umbrella sent me a PM a few days ago with the message "Welcome to the PLONG club RIP" ROFL and then he turned off receiving PM's from me as well. hillarious
on a side note, lets focus on the issue and spend less time attacking each other personally.
Seriously, what can we accomplish by badmouthing each other? Or should I say bad *posting* each other
. You see, as we spend time thinking of new insults and such, that time could be well spent in creating a marvelous post which could unite us, not divide us. We should all be joyful and thank our young men and women in uniform, that a country is finally *officially* free and has taken a huge first step towards democracy. Us fighting does not raise the morale of our troops.HAHA, Canadians are only our allies when they agree with us! I love it, yllus defeats you with logic and you get pissy like a toddler. Aww, that's so cute.
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