Iraqi insurgent with RPG gets tagged by US forces

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: Rufio
so what if instead of the video of this guy getting killed, we see him fire the rpg, and hit a squad of us soldiers?

what would your reaction be, zoinks?

also, i find it ironic that you have an american flag as your avatar, yet you have such skewed views of the war.

Sir, if I do not support the war, that doesnt mean that I am not an American. Just because I do not agree with my lead politicians goals and ambitions doesnt mean that I do not love this country.
I believe that you are thinking the wrong side up.

I believe its this comment that makes you seem unamerican. But it really depends on how its interpreted.
"You guys are all fvcking sick to applaud any kind of loss of life, be it ours or the Iraqis.
To me its all kind of sad whats going on. "

In one way, it could be interpreted as you basicly thinking. "I wish the Americans did not kill that guy that hah an RPG pointed at them. They should have let him live so he could have lived happily ever after"

(though we all know that if they gave that bastard 5 more seconds, it would have been american bodies on the ground, and not his)


That mindset is very anti-American IMO.



though it could (and IMO should) be interpreted as saying, War is bad, I wish the Americans could be home and not having to put up with terrible $h!t such as nutjobs with RPGs pointed at them. I also wish those people would live their own lives, and that a peaceful resolution could be reached"

That is a very honorable opinion, and will I respect it (If you meant something like that)

His post (and whole point) is not about americans vs iraqis, or anything about the circumstances of what is going on over there, or even the specifics of what happened in the video. He's disappointed with the attitude people on this board have of taking pleasure in the death of a human. Whether it's a serial killer, an RPG carrying insurgent fighting your country, or a school kid, it's wrong to take pleasure in the death of a person.

 

[alkemyst]

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[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: zoiks
You guys are all fvcking sick to applaud any kind of loss of life, be it ours or the Iraqis.
To me its all kind of sad whats going on.

Yeah, life sucks. Know what? Sometimes you've got to choose sides because we obviously can't live together in a pretty little garden and sings songs. It's us or them. They brought the war to us and now they're paying the price. Tough sh!t.

Iraq didn't start anything... unless you're talking about 15 years ago. This war was started by the USA and UK.

I'm not talking specifically Iraq. I'm talking about the Middle East; militant islamists and muslims.

You're binning them all together. Have some discretion. Charles Manson and all you Americans are sickos. :roll:

Al Qaeda did some stuff to the US. The US goes after them, then goes into Iraq. Iraq wasn't in response to 9/11 directly. I have yet to see any solid ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda other than "they're all Islamic pieces of sh!t"

Saddam brought it on 15 years ago. The UN handed it to him. Now Bush v2.0 is going back there for unclear reasons.

What are these Iraqi people seeing? They had their own country (albeit under Saddam and what not) and now it's under foreign control. How many people wouldn't be pissed off if foreign troops were telling them what to do in their own country?

All of this is beside the point though. It's one thing to support your troops abroad, it's another to take pleasure in the death of another human.

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[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: zoiks
Sorry. I dont hear any account of stuff like this happening here before the 80's.
Muslims never hated Christianity. Its more like recent western policies that they hate.

Muslims never hated Christianity? You sir, are an idiot. They've always hated us, there's just more blanket media coverage these days. It was always there.

You sir, are the idiot back. I know this since I've lived abroad for many years. Back then it was just fine, but it aint anymore.

Have you been living in Xanadu?

Mot all Muslims are terrorists who hate Christianity, but the ones that carry guns and IED's hate us.

It would basically be the same thing if we let the KKK go around and kill people who they didn't like unchecked. Sure we wouldn't be murderers, but does doing nothing while your countrymen kill and maim assure you of your space in heaven?

See the quote in my sig for my feelings

Back then there werent any gunmen looking out for Americans to kill which is my point what I am trying to convey to you. I hope you get this.

How long ago was this? Unless you are older than Methuslah I can't think of a time when they haven't hated the west. Ever since the Ottoman Empire they have been butchering and maiming in the name of Allah

It all depends of what era you are talking about. I believe that goes both ways. Spain was once ruled by Islam until it was brought down. And that wasnt done with dialog either if you know what I mean.
Hatred goes both ways. And I think that you are setting a prime example.
I just saw your sig for PETA. Now I know why you feel the way you are.

Spain was indeed once ruled by Islam. This was, of course, because your peace-loving Muslims under the Moors conquered it, taking it away from the descendants of the christian Visigoths who had settled there after the fall of the Roman Empire. When they tried to expand into and conquer what is now France, Charles Martel handed their asses to them at Potiers in 732AD. Islam has always hated Christianity.

In fact, Islam seems to hate everyone. Witness the recent bombings of buddhist temples in Thailand, attributed to Islamic militants in the southern part of that country. When was the last time you EVER heard of a violent buddhist militant? Witness the violence against Hindus in India. I work with a lot of people from India, and almost without exception, they are the nicest people in the world.

Oh, and just to clarify my attitude, you jackass, I am not racist as you imply. I hate the idea of Islamic fundamentalism, and feel that people who are the enemies of my way of life deserve what this clown with the RPG got and worse.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
HERE is the original!

hurray for me. i learned how to do this.

Thanks! :beer: for you.

 

[DWW]

People need to chill the hell out. Look how fast he died...instantly... when the first shot when off it put him into shock most likely (when you see him spin and drop it). To him this was a good death.

He wasn't forced captive, held for days and constantly told you will die within 72 hours if there aren't 72 virgins at the pearly gates ready for plucking (or whatever the unrealistic demands were) and then have your head hacked off by some crazies.

Bless the day you have as easy of a death as this guys when your time comes (in terms of speed and painless factor...of course you don't want to go out being shot).

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: zoiks
You guys are all fvcking sick to applaud any kind of loss of life, be it ours or the Iraqis.
To me its all kind of sad whats going on.

Yeah, life sucks. Know what? Sometimes you've got to choose sides because we obviously can't live together in a pretty little garden and sings songs. It's us or them. They brought the war to us and now they're paying the price. Tough sh!t.

Iraq didn't start anything... unless you're talking about 15 years ago. This war was started by the USA and UK.

I'm not talking specifically Iraq. I'm talking about the Middle East; militant islamists and muslims.

Perspective. I dont think they hated the US before the 80's. I believe now its mostly because we support Israel in all fronts.

They've hated the West (Christianity) since Napoleon landed in the center of the Muslim world, in Egypt, over two hundred years ago.

Sorry. I dont hear any account of stuff like this happening here before the 80's.
Muslims never hated Christianity. Its more like recent western policies that they hate.

I'm pretty sure the hardcore Islamics hated the west long before the days of napolean. I think it started with the Crusades. Though I'm sure their animosity towards us has increased once we left the dark ages, and then since the 80s their hatred has grown to a loathing.

Of course, any place where religion is allowed to rule without checks and balances is gonna be really f'd up. They have been held back so long by horribly corrupt governments and they don't know what being free and having a decent quality of life is like. They also live in a real sh!t hole, so I don't blame them for being mad at the world. However, killing people who have a nice quality of life with different beliefs is kinda lame. Then again I hate all those with extreme religious views (ie, creationists, cultists, people that want to have that stone thing with the 10 rules (i forget what they are called) inside a court of law, people that think coins should have the part about trusting god on them, people who read the bible book, and iterpret it as a book of facts that should be taken literally, and people who tell me I should go to church.)


Once Islam as a whole decides to embrace western tradititions, such as equal rights for both sexes, consumption of beverages containing alcohol in moderate quantities for enjoyment, and just enjoying life while you are alive, The world will be a much better place for everyone. Until that happens, its going to be a bloody mess. Since I am on the side that I believe is right, I am going to support the USA 100%. I have nothing against any races at all, however I have everything against any form of totalitarian control, and IMO organizations run by evil cultist nutjobs (such as osama bin laden and Saddom Hussain, and in the old days Hitler) absolutely must be destroyed at any expense. If we have to blow up their holy sites and schools in order to kill them all, then so be it. I am glad that that bastard got killed. One less person left to kill.

Also, my post is just an expression of my opinions, they probably differ from your opinions, but please be civil.

I agree with you on some points. But I think that all cultures and religions do not have the tenacity to embrace 'western cultures' and adapt it in their society to the hilt. It just doesnt work for some and thats the way it is. If peace is to be just by shoving your own ways down somebody elses throat then I believe there just wont be any peace.

I am glad we agree to disagree.
I don't think forcing our ways down somebodys throat will work, however, to me, there are some things in countries with islamic rule that I cannot and will not accept as human behavior in this day in age. Womans Rights are extremely important. My mothe, my sister, my Grandmother, and my Aunts are all women, and I have great respect for them. I would get very mad at anybody who treated them as second class citizens. I don't understand how ANY culture can tolerate things such as women not having the right to vote, women being treated basicly as property, women not getting proper educations (I have heard that illiteracy among women in the arab world is well over 50%), I have also heard that in some countries in that portion of the world, that women are not legally allowed to own buisnesses, drive, go out in public without wearing clothes that cover 100% of their body (which in the desert, would be extremely uncomfortable due to the heat), and that their husbands would got impunity for "Honor Killings".
I have read that in that part of the world, women are believed to be inferior to men, and they have less personal rights and freedoms.

I don't expect them to accept 100% of our ways, but I do expect everybody to at least respect the basics.

 

[So]

Oh, and as much as the fvcker goe what he deserved, for aiming an RPG at someone, notice that he has a prosthetic leg....

1. How did he lose his leg (us? was that why he was angry?)
2. Who gave him his new leg? (almost certainly us...)

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: Rufio
so what if instead of the video of this guy getting killed, we see him fire the rpg, and hit a squad of us soldiers?

what would your reaction be, zoinks?

also, i find it ironic that you have an american flag as your avatar, yet you have such skewed views of the war.

Sir, if I do not support the war, that doesnt mean that I am not an American. Just because I do not agree with my lead politicians goals and ambitions doesnt mean that I do not love this country.
I believe that you are thinking the wrong side up.

I believe its this comment that makes you seem unamerican. But it really depends on how its interpreted.
"You guys are all fvcking sick to applaud any kind of loss of life, be it ours or the Iraqis.
To me its all kind of sad whats going on. "

In one way, it could be interpreted as you basicly thinking. "I wish the Americans did not kill that guy that hah an RPG pointed at them. They should have let him live so he could have lived happily ever after"

(though we all know that if they gave that bastard 5 more seconds, it would have been american bodies on the ground, and not his)


That mindset is very anti-American IMO.



though it could (and IMO should) be interpreted as saying, War is bad, I wish the Americans could be home and not having to put up with terrible $h!t such as nutjobs with RPGs pointed at them. I also wish those people would live their own lives, and that a peaceful resolution could be reached"

That is a very honorable opinion, and will I respect it (If you meant something like that)

His post (and whole point) is not about americans vs iraqis, or anything about the circumstances of what is going on over there, or even the specifics of what happened in the video. He's disappointed with the attitude people on this board have of taking pleasure in the death of a human. Whether it's a serial killer, an RPG carrying insurgent fighting your country, or a school kid, it's wrong to take pleasure in the death of a person.

I like how you put it. Excellent point and very well said.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: zoiks
Sorry. I dont hear any account of stuff like this happening here before the 80's.
Muslims never hated Christianity. Its more like recent western policies that they hate.

Muslims never hated Christianity? You sir, are an idiot. They've always hated us, there's just more blanket media coverage these days. It was always there.

You sir, are the idiot back. I know this since I've lived abroad for many years. Back then it was just fine, but it aint anymore.

Since you hate this warfare...what exactly are you doing to stop it?

Crap has been going on with IRAN/IRAQ since before the 80's

Israel has been fighting that battle since B.C.

gg though you just need to realize that it's newsworthy now.

I think it was the US that was providing arms to Iraq to fight Iran. Now the US is fighting the person that it supplied arms with. I believe that is the same case with Afghanistan since a lot of those fighting the US were the same people we fueled during the Russian occupation.

Israel on the other hand gets away with murder. Israel isnt fighting any one else's war but their own. They however possess very good tactics at having other people fight for their war.
News aint worthy enough unless its true.

So it is *our* fault that a bunch of fvcking pyschos flew planes into out buildings? (and any of the numerous acts of barbarianism from the UUS Cole, to the enbassys etc) And it is our fault that these pieces of flith are beheading non military citizens?


OMG! Now I have heard it all!

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: zoiks
Sorry. I dont hear any account of stuff like this happening here before the 80's.
Muslims never hated Christianity. Its more like recent western policies that they hate.

Muslims never hated Christianity? You sir, are an idiot. They've always hated us, there's just more blanket media coverage these days. It was always there.

You sir, are the idiot back. I know this since I've lived abroad for many years. Back then it was just fine, but it aint anymore.

Ever heard the term "infidel"? They have ALWAYS hated us, as far back as the history books go. If it wasn't the Jews, it was the crusaders, if it's not them, it's today's Western people, and plenty more in between.
Sure, the middle east was safer for foreigners years ago, but then again, we're at war now.

You wouldn't have gone on a scenic tour of Europe during WWII, would you?

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: zoiks
Sorry. I dont hear any account of stuff like this happening here before the 80's.
Muslims never hated Christianity. Its more like recent western policies that they hate.

Muslims never hated Christianity? You sir, are an idiot. They've always hated us, there's just more blanket media coverage these days. It was always there.

You sir, are the idiot back. I know this since I've lived abroad for many years. Back then it was just fine, but it aint anymore.

Since you hate this warfare...what exactly are you doing to stop it?

Crap has been going on with IRAN/IRAQ since before the 80's

Israel has been fighting that battle since B.C.

gg though you just need to realize that it's newsworthy now.

I think it was the US that was providing arms to Iraq to fight Iran. Now the US is fighting the person that it supplied arms with. I believe that is the same case with Afghanistan since a lot of those fighting the US were the same people we fueled during the Russian occupation.

Israel on the other hand gets away with murder. Israel isnt fighting any one else's war but their own. They however possess very good tactics at having other people fight for their war.
News aint worthy enough unless its true.

So it is *our* fault that a bunch of fvcking pyschos flew planes into out buildings? (and any of the numerous acts of barbarianism from the UUS Cole, to the enbassys etc) And it is our fault that these pieces of flith are beheading non military citizens?


OMG! Now I have heard it all!

The USA is not entirely blameless in the entire situation. Al Qaeda wants the USA out of the mid east all together. The USA is in the middle east for certain reasons stemming from the fact that they were there previously. It's a huge mess that most history/poly sci majors still couldn't give a fully informed opinion on.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Whether it's a serial killer, an RPG carrying insurgent fighting your country, or a school kid, it's wrong to take pleasure in the death of a person.

Why don't you tell that to the terrorists that take pleasure in killing civilians, and not a group of harmless computer geeks on a web forum.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: silverpig
The USA is not entirely blameless in the entire situation. Al Qaeda wants the USA out of the mid east all together. The USA is in the middle east for certain reasons stemming from the fact that they were there previously. It's a huge mess that most history/poly sci majors still couldn't give a fully informed opinion on.

Sorry, but that doesn't excuse the actions of terrorists. That is an old excuse, and I for one will not tolerate it.

 

[FacelessNobody]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Spain was indeed once ruled by Islam. This was, of course, because your peace-loving Muslims under the Moors conquered it, taking it away from the descendants of the christian Visigoths who had settled there after the fall of the Roman Empire. When they tried to expand into and conquer what is now France, Charles Martel handed their asses to them at Potiers in 732AD. Islam has always hated Christianity.

And Christianity has always hated Islam. Hate is a part of human nature, and transcends religious beliefs. I think fundamentalism is bad, too, be it Islamic, Christian, or more veiled like today's tree-hugging, ultra-liberal activists or neo-conservative black-and-whitizers. Keep in mind that Islam is not your enemy, crazy hate-fueled terrorists who use Islam as an excuse to murder are.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: zoiks
You guys are all fvcking sick to applaud any kind of loss of life, be it ours or the Iraqis.
To me its all kind of sad whats going on.

Yeah, life sucks. Know what? Sometimes you've got to choose sides because we obviously can't live together in a pretty little garden and sings songs. It's us or them. They brought the war to us and now they're paying the price. Tough sh!t.

Now that is a fvcking retarded statement, and you know it. "They brought the war to us..." Wtf?! That guy who was shot is in no way related to the people who hijacked the planes, other than the fact that they were all middle eastern. IMO, in his mind he was simply trying to attack the army invading his country, and had no chance in hell.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: zoiks
You guys are all fvcking sick to applaud any kind of loss of life, be it ours or the Iraqis.
To me its all kind of sad whats going on.

Yeah, life sucks. Know what? Sometimes you've got to choose sides because we obviously can't live together in a pretty little garden and sings songs. It's us or them. They brought the war to us and now they're paying the price. Tough sh!t.

Iraq didn't start anything... unless you're talking about 15 years ago. This war was started by the USA and UK.

I'm not talking specifically Iraq. I'm talking about the Middle East; militant islamists and muslims.

You're binning them all together. Have some discretion. Charles Manson and all you Americans are sickos. :roll:

Al Qaeda did some stuff to the US. The US goes after them, then goes into Iraq. Iraq wasn't in response to 9/11 directly. I have yet to see any solid ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda other than "they're all Islamic pieces of sh!t"

Saddam brought it on 15 years ago. The UN handed it to him. Now Bush v2.0 is going back there for unclear reasons.

What are these Iraqi people seeing? They had their own country (albeit under Saddam and what not) and now it's under foreign control. How many people wouldn't be pissed off if foreign troops were telling them what to do in their own country?

All of this is beside the point though. It's one thing to support your troops abroad, it's another to take pleasure in the death of another human.

I'm not a fun of Bush by any means, and don't plan to vote for him, but do you really believe that? Do you think the Iraqis were better/happier under Saddam, than being occupied now? There difference in rebellion is that Saddam would just annihilate anyone that crossed him, whereas we are only going after those in the uprisings.

None of us is really qualified enough to say who's in the right here. There's so much history involved, and so much we don't know.

My purpose for being in this thread, as outlined by the post you quoted, is to point out the pleasure people are taking in the death of a human being.

I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, but I can't say I see the issue here. It isn't as if this guy was murdered walking down the street with an ice-cream cone. He was trying to attack targets in Iraq, whether they be Civilian or Military. I just feel as if your logical is not practicable, because this guy was so very obviously trying to kill, injure, or destroy. He's not deserving of sympathy nor is his death sacred(except to those who are radical.

I think it is easy for me to say that the American soldiers in Iraq are in the right. Saddam was a brutal dictator and that's that. I never bought into the WMD hype, and GWB was DEAD wrong about that, and he should apologize to the whole world. However, I can't say how anyone can act as if the US is there against the will of the Iraqi people. These insurgents are but fractions of the population at-large and represent a very vocal and extreme minority. This minority actually seeks to impose a STRICTER state on the other Iraqis -- over and beyond what even Saddam had. This will be done at the expense of the other Iraqi people, and at the expense of anyone that doesn't believe as them. I can't say I'm happy to see ANY of those extremists stay around. They aren't fighting to get us out, as much as to get THEIR WAY. I think that's why this does come down to semantics and who has the moral superiority. In this case both issues are easily resolved to me by just looking at the facts.

The Extremists want another dictatorship with an extreme state religion. The US wants the Iraqi people to be able to decide what they want, and not just a vocal minority. Summation: The US wins on that one. Point two was the semantical argument of them getting their way vs them wanting us out. I think the difference is huge. They aren't freedom fighters. Freedom fighters would be wanting to instill democracy, fairness and freedom. These guys want to impose a regime on the Iraqis that will be WORSE than Saddam. That's why my feelings over this is clear.

So this extremist that wants to fvck things up got killed. I'm not going to shed any tears. Human garbage is not sacred in my eyes, nor should people not celebrate his death. He may have been someone's father, someone's brother, etc, but he CHOSE to do what the did. He chose to engage in behavior that goes against the morality of all but his few like-minded friends/brothers. You can say we shouldn't judge him by our morals, but that fact is it isn't just our morals. A majority of the Iraqis don't want an extreme state religion either.

He's dead. I won't jump for joy and start waving a flag, but I'm damn proud we got him. No tears will be shed by me.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
IMO, in his mind he was simply trying to attack the army invading his country, and had no chance in hell.

I'm glad you know who that guy was and what he was thinking, because we sure don't. Thanks for enlightening us, oh great one :roll:

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: zoiks
Sorry. I dont hear any account of stuff like this happening here before the 80's.
Muslims never hated Christianity. Its more like recent western policies that they hate.

Muslims never hated Christianity? You sir, are an idiot. They've always hated us, there's just more blanket media coverage these days. It was always there.

You sir, are the idiot back. I know this since I've lived abroad for many years. Back then it was just fine, but it aint anymore.

Since you hate this warfare...what exactly are you doing to stop it?

Crap has been going on with IRAN/IRAQ since before the 80's

Israel has been fighting that battle since B.C.

gg though you just need to realize that it's newsworthy now.

I think it was the US that was providing arms to Iraq to fight Iran. Now the US is fighting the person that it supplied arms with. I believe that is the same case with Afghanistan since a lot of those fighting the US were the same people we fueled during the Russian occupation.

Israel on the other hand gets away with murder. Israel isnt fighting any one else's war but their own. They however possess very good tactics at having other people fight for their war.
News aint worthy enough unless its true.

So it is *our* fault that a bunch of fvcking pyschos flew planes into out buildings? (and any of the numerous acts of barbarianism from the UUS Cole, to the enbassys etc) And it is our fault that these pieces of flith are beheading non military citizens?


OMG! Now I have heard it all!

The USA is not entirely blameless in the entire situation. Al Qaeda wants the USA out of the mid east all together. The USA is in the middle east for certain reasons stemming from the fact that they were there previously. It's a huge mess that most history/poly sci majors still couldn't give a fully informed opinion on.

Sorry, but that does not excuse what they did to pearl, or any of the other non military civilians... cutting their heads off on video.

gotta agree to disagree here!

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: zoiks
You guys are all fvcking sick to applaud any kind of loss of life, be it ours or the Iraqis.
To me its all kind of sad whats going on.

Yeah, life sucks. Know what? Sometimes you've got to choose sides because we obviously can't live together in a pretty little garden and sings songs. It's us or them. They brought the war to us and now they're paying the price. Tough sh!t.

Now that is a fvcking retarded statement, and you know it. "They brought the war to us..." Wtf?! That guy who was shot is in no way related to the people who hijacked the plane, other than the fact that they were all middle eastern. IMO, in his mind he was simply trying to attack the army invading his country, and had no chance in hell.

BULLSH!T BULLSH!T BULLSH!T. That guy does NOT give a fvck about his country. If he did he'd allow it to become a democracy and then he'd VOTE. No, this guy wants HIS way, and his way is in a MINORITY and they seek to gain illegitimate power. I'm not going to get into an Al-Qaida/Saddam debate, but that guy doesn't give a flying fvck about the majority of his country. That's like saying the Klan cared about the US because they fought to keep the black people out of white neighborhoods. That may be fallacious reasoning, but it is goddamn accurate.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Whether it's a serial killer, an RPG carrying insurgent fighting your country, or a school kid, it's wrong to take pleasure in the death of a person.

Why don't you tell that to the terrorists that take pleasure in killing civilians, and not a group of harmless computer geeks on a web forum.

Because they don't post here. And I would, and it is wrong. I'm not defending them. I've clearly stated my point (which you have so kindly edited out) as being a general statement regarding pleasure and death.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: silverpig
The USA is not entirely blameless in the entire situation. Al Qaeda wants the USA out of the mid east all together. The USA is in the middle east for certain reasons stemming from the fact that they were there previously. It's a huge mess that most history/poly sci majors still couldn't give a fully informed opinion on.

Yet you are commenting and by default telling us you can give a fully informed opinion on this?

What exactly are you trying to say here?

I think this crap needs to go to P&N with all the nitwits.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: silverpig
The USA is not entirely blameless in the entire situation. Al Qaeda wants the USA out of the mid east all together. The USA is in the middle east for certain reasons stemming from the fact that they were there previously. It's a huge mess that most history/poly sci majors still couldn't give a fully informed opinion on.

Sorry, but that doesn't excuse the actions of terrorists. That is an old excuse, and I for one will not tolerate it.

You have an uncanny ability for taking things out of context. Read the post to which I was responding.

Again, in case you missed it the first few times I posted my opinion: I am NOT defending terrorists. I'm not giving them an excuse.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: silverpig
Again, in case you missed it the first few times I posted my opinion: I am NOT defending terrorists. I'm not giving them an excuse.

...and I'm saying that's not a valid excuse. Period.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: silverpig
The USA is not entirely blameless in the entire situation. Al Qaeda wants the USA out of the mid east all together. The USA is in the middle east for certain reasons stemming from the fact that they were there previously. It's a huge mess that most history/poly sci majors still couldn't give a fully informed opinion on.

Yet you are commenting and by default telling us you can give a fully informed opinion on this?

What exactly are you trying to say here?

I think this crap needs to go to P&N with all the nitwits.

PLEASE dont send this to P&N!! It is scary in there.

pleasie pleasie pleasie!!!