Iraqi insurgent with RPG gets tagged by US forces

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[silverpig]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: zoiks
Sorry. I dont hear any account of stuff like this happening here before the 80's.
Muslims never hated Christianity. Its more like recent western policies that they hate.

Muslims never hated Christianity? You sir, are an idiot. They've always hated us, there's just more blanket media coverage these days. It was always there.

You sir, are the idiot back. I know this since I've lived abroad for many years. Back then it was just fine, but it aint anymore.

Since you hate this warfare...what exactly are you doing to stop it?

Crap has been going on with IRAN/IRAQ since before the 80's

Israel has been fighting that battle since B.C.

gg though you just need to realize that it's newsworthy now.

I think it was the US that was providing arms to Iraq to fight Iran. Now the US is fighting the person that it supplied arms with. I believe that is the same case with Afghanistan since a lot of those fighting the US were the same people we fueled during the Russian occupation.

Israel on the other hand gets away with murder. Israel isnt fighting any one else's war but their own. They however possess very good tactics at having other people fight for their war.
News aint worthy enough unless its true.

So it is *our* fault that a bunch of fvcking pyschos flew planes into out buildings? (and any of the numerous acts of barbarianism from the UUS Cole, to the enbassys etc) And it is our fault that these pieces of flith are beheading non military citizens?


OMG! Now I have heard it all!

The USA is not entirely blameless in the entire situation. Al Qaeda wants the USA out of the mid east all together. The USA is in the middle east for certain reasons stemming from the fact that they were there previously. It's a huge mess that most history/poly sci majors still couldn't give a fully informed opinion on.

Sorry, but that does not excuse what they did to pearl, or any of the other non military civilians... cutting their heads off on video.

gotta agree to disagree here!

I'm not the one trying to wash away blame here...

 

[RagingBITCH]

Wow, pwn3d

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Whether it's a serial killer, an RPG carrying insurgent fighting your country, or a school kid, it's wrong to take pleasure in the death of a person.

Why don't you tell that to the terrorists that take pleasure in killing civilians, and not a group of harmless computer geeks on a web forum.

I didn't say that, I just said its a good point in the context it was in in silverpigs post.
I believe that he should have been killed and that he definatly had it coming. I also think serial killers need to be killed too. But he does have a point, that killing should not be pleasurable.

By the way, do you have any terrorist's Email addresses? I'd be happy to email them. Or do you know any of their nicknames on IRC? I'd be happy to let them know. I can't seem to find any. I am happy where I am in life right now and I don't plan on going halfway across the world to tell them directly. Now If I do find any of them in my home town, I'll certainly share my opinions with them (I may even be able to take pleasure in their death, even though I know it is morally wrong.)

I think I'm gonna stop posting now before too many people say STOP POSTING to me. Also this thread has totally been way skewed from the original post, a video of somebody getting what they deserve, and it has turned into a political discussion (perhaps even flamefest status has been reached?) For taking place in this I am sorry.

I will stick to my opinions, though they are probably different from yours. Have a good night.

 

[daniel1113]

lol... can't take the heat?

For the record, I agree with you, BurnItDown... I was throwing that comment out for thought, not as an attack. Perhaps a good night sleep will do you some good

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: silverpig
Again, in case you missed it the first few times I posted my opinion: I am NOT defending terrorists. I'm not giving them an excuse.

...and I'm saying that's not a valid excuse. Period.

And doughnuts are good! So what?

I never made any excuses. I gave reasons. They aren't good, but there they are.

One day something happened.
Side A did something to side B
Side B did something back
Side A retaliated
So did side B...

and here we are.

Substitute the USA for either A or B and islamic militants for the other and there you have it. Side A did something to side B because B did something previously.

You can't cut it out as saying: They attacked us on 9/11 so we're getting them back and that's it. That ISN'T it. They attacked on 9/11 because the USA has been in the mid east. The USA went into the mid east because Saddam went to Kuwait and to help Israel. They helped Israel because Israel was getting attacked. Israel was getting attacked because they moved into previously occupied land. They moved into previously occupied land because it was previously their land a long long time ago. Yada yada yada. It's not as cut and dried as 9/11 retaliation and that's it.

 

[alkemyst]

silver you are so far from understanding the issue...if you did you'd bring up non-9/11 issues.

the aforementioned USS Cole was an older 'recent' issue and then there is more.

Whose side are you on? In a war no one is totally right. Don't be an armchair savior of the world, Mother Theresa, Gandhi....

The bottom line is you don't see the US advertizing lopping off a head hacksaw style nor telling the world we are going to execute a civilian because you won't let criminals go.

Do you really want to try and defend that?

 

[konakona]

His post (and whole point) is not about americans vs iraqis, or anything about the circumstances of what is going on over there, or even the specifics of what happened in the video. He's disappointed with the attitude people on this board have of taking pleasure in the death of a human. Whether it's a serial killer, an RPG carrying insurgent fighting your country, or a school kid, it's wrong to take pleasure in the death of a person.

my thoughts exactly.

honestly, i have no idea what bush & co are thinking, this whole war is only adding gasoline to the raging fire of anti-us sentiments all over the world. luckily us is by far the strongest and most affluent nation in the world, but getting singled out still sux the root of evil is israel IMO. as unjust and wrong as its foundation is, the damage is done and they went too far to go back. but they really should pull out of the occupied territories (or the bufferzone or whatever the hell fancy name they wanna call it) and give pallestinians basic rights to live like other israeli citizens. why US is supporting them when UN tells them to back off is beyond me, that sure deserves animosity not only from islamic nations but from all of the world.

as a side note, i had a really good muslim friend back in high school. he was a fine fellow, more generous, peace-loving and candid then any chrisitian i have known (i am an atheist btw). sad thing how he had to leave because of some arrogant POS christian. by saying this i am not putting down all christians, just giving you a coutner example of your claim of christians being any better than muslims.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
silver you are so far from understanding the issue...if you did you'd bring up non-9/11 issues.

the aforementioned USS Cole was an older 'recent' issue and then there is more.

Whose side are you on? In a war no one is totally right. Don't be an armchair savior of the world, Mother Theresa, Gandhi....

The bottom line is you don't see the US advertizing lopping off a head hacksaw style nor telling the world we are going to execute a civilian because you won't let criminals go.

Do you really want to try and defend that?

Whoa. I would bring up non-9/11 issues? Haven't I?

You can't cut it out as saying: They attacked us on 9/11 so we're getting them back and that's it. That ISN'T it.

The USA went into the mid east because Saddam went to Kuwait and to help Israel. They helped Israel because Israel was getting attacked. Israel was getting attacked because they moved into previously occupied land. They moved into previously occupied land because it was previously their land a long long time ago. Yada yada yada. It's not as cut and dried as 9/11 retaliation and that's it.

Is that enough non-9/11 stuff for you?

No. The bottom line is there are people on this board taking pleasure in the death of a human being. That is what I am against.

You say I don't understand the issue but you don't even know what it is. It is NOT about Iraq. It is NOT about the USA. It is NOT about Al Qaeda. It is NOT about terrorists. It is NOT about who is right and who is wrong for the war going on over there. It isn't even about guy in the video nor the soldiers who I presume shot him. The issue I have been talking about this entire thread is that there are people on the first page who took pleasure in the death of a human being. It doesn't matter who he was.

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: zoiks
You guys are all fvcking sick to applaud any kind of loss of life, be it ours or the Iraqis.
To me its all kind of sad whats going on.

Yeah, life sucks. Know what? Sometimes you've got to choose sides because we obviously can't live together in a pretty little garden and sings songs. It's us or them. They brought the war to us and now they're paying the price. Tough sh!t.

Iraq didn't start anything... unless you're talking about 15 years ago. This war was started by the USA and UK.

I'm not talking specifically Iraq. I'm talking about the Middle East; militant islamists and muslims.

You're binning them all together. Have some discretion. Charles Manson and all you Americans are sickos. :roll:

Al Qaeda did some stuff to the US. The US goes after them, then goes into Iraq. Iraq wasn't in response to 9/11 directly. I have yet to see any solid ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda other than "they're all Islamic pieces of sh!t"

Saddam brought it on 15 years ago. The UN handed it to him. Now Bush v2.0 is going back there for unclear reasons.

What are these Iraqi people seeing? They had their own country (albeit under Saddam and what not) and now it's under foreign control. How many people wouldn't be pissed off if foreign troops were telling them what to do in their own country?

All of this is beside the point though. It's one thing to support your troops abroad, it's another to take pleasure in the death of another human.

I'm not a fun of Bush by any means, and don't plan to vote for him, but do you really believe that? Do you think the Iraqis were better/happier under Saddam, than being occupied now? There difference in rebellion is that Saddam would just annihilate anyone that crossed him, whereas we are only going after those in the uprisings.

None of us is really qualified enough to say who's in the right here. There's so much history involved, and so much we don't know.

My purpose for being in this thread, as outlined by the post you quoted, is to point out the pleasure people are taking in the death of a human being.

I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, but I can't say I see the issue here. It isn't as if this guy was murdered walking down the street with an ice-cream cone. He was trying to attack targets in Iraq, whether they be Civilian or Military. I just feel as if your logical is not practicable, because this guy was so very obviously trying to kill, injure, or destroy. He's not deserving of sympathy nor is his death sacred(except to those who are radical.

I think it is easy for me to say that the American soldiers in Iraq are in the right. Saddam was a brutal dictator and that's that. I never bought into the WMD hype, and GWB was DEAD wrong about that, and he should apologize to the whole world. However, I can't say how anyone can act as if the US is there against the will of the Iraqi people. These insurgents are but fractions of the population at-large and represent a very vocal and extreme minority. This minority actually seeks to impose a STRICTER state on the other Iraqis -- over and beyond what even Saddam had. This will be done at the expense of the other Iraqi people, and at the expense of anyone that doesn't believe as them. I can't say I'm happy to see ANY of those extremists stay around. They aren't fighting to get us out, as much as to get THEIR WAY. I think that's why this does come down to semantics and who has the moral superiority. In this case both issues are easily resolved to me by just looking at the facts.

The Extremists want another dictatorship with an extreme state religion. The US wants the Iraqi people to be able to decide what they want, and not just a vocal minority. Summation: The US wins on that one. Point two was the semantical argument of them getting their way vs them wanting us out. I think the difference is huge. They aren't freedom fighters. Freedom fighters would be wanting to instill democracy, fairness and freedom. These guys want to impose a regime on the Iraqis that will be WORSE than Saddam. That's why my feelings over this is clear.

So this extremist that wants to fvck things up got killed. I'm not going to shed any tears. Human garbage is not sacred in my eyes, nor should people not celebrate his death. He may have been someone's father, someone's brother, etc, but he CHOSE to do what the did. He chose to engage in behavior that goes against the morality of all but his few like-minded friends/brothers. You can say we shouldn't judge him by our morals, but that fact is it isn't just our morals. A majority of the Iraqis don't want an extreme state religion either.

He's dead. I won't jump for joy and start waving a flag, but I'm damn proud we got him. No tears will be shed by me.

Mill said better than I could what I feel in regards to the whole situation...

Right or wrong, after more than a year of hearing of the countless American sacrifice's made there, it gives me some twisted sense of vengence to see one insurgent get what he had coming to him...

 

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Does anyone know what the annoucer is saying?

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: zoiks
You guys are all fvcking sick to applaud any kind of loss of life, be it ours or the Iraqis.
To me its all kind of sad whats going on.

Yeah, life sucks. Know what? Sometimes you've got to choose sides because we obviously can't live together in a pretty little garden and sings songs. It's us or them. They brought the war to us and now they're paying the price. Tough sh!t.

Now that is a fvcking retarded statement, and you know it. "They brought the war to us..." Wtf?! That guy who was shot is in no way related to the people who hijacked the plane, other than the fact that they were all middle eastern. IMO, in his mind he was simply trying to attack the army invading his country, and had no chance in hell.

BULLSH!T BULLSH!T BULLSH!T. That guy does NOT give a fvck about his country. If he did he'd allow it to become a democracy and then he'd VOTE. No, this guy wants HIS way, and his way is in a MINORITY and they seek to gain illegitimate power. I'm not going to get into an Al-Qaida/Saddam debate, but that guy doesn't give a flying fvck about the majority of his country. That's like saying the Klan cared about the US because they fought to keep the black people out of white neighborhoods. That may be fallacious reasoning, but it is goddamn accurate.

Riiiiight..so you know exactly how he was brought up, and how he was trained to think and believe. I am glad you know what his life was like. Do you think that growing up in a country like that, anyone would say "Man...I think we need a democracy". I sure don't. You do what everyone else does, what your parents do, it is just how things are.

Were the blacks invading the US? No.

Fact is, the US was invading, and he was attacking the invaders. True? Yes.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: zoiks
You guys are all fvcking sick to applaud any kind of loss of life, be it ours or the Iraqis.
To me its all kind of sad whats going on.

Yeah, life sucks. Know what? Sometimes you've got to choose sides because we obviously can't live together in a pretty little garden and sings songs. It's us or them. They brought the war to us and now they're paying the price. Tough sh!t.

Now that is a fvcking retarded statement, and you know it. "They brought the war to us..." Wtf?! That guy who was shot is in no way related to the people who hijacked the plane, other than the fact that they were all middle eastern. IMO, in his mind he was simply trying to attack the army invading his country, and had no chance in hell.

BULLSH!T BULLSH!T BULLSH!T. That guy does NOT give a fvck about his country. If he did he'd allow it to become a democracy and then he'd VOTE. No, this guy wants HIS way, and his way is in a MINORITY and they seek to gain illegitimate power. I'm not going to get into an Al-Qaida/Saddam debate, but that guy doesn't give a flying fvck about the majority of his country. That's like saying the Klan cared about the US because they fought to keep the black people out of white neighborhoods. That may be fallacious reasoning, but it is goddamn accurate.

Riiiiight..so you know exactly how he was brought up, and how he was trained to think and believe. I am glad you know what his life was like. Do you think that growing up in a country like that, anyone would say "Man...I think we need a democracy". I sure don't. You do what everyone else does, what your parents do, it is just how things are.

Were the blacks invading the US? No.

Fact is, the US was invading, and he was attacking the invaders. True? Yes.

You are trying to rationalize his behavior based on culture, which is simply illogical. If you look at the bulk of Iraqis you'd find they favor a secular state or a moderate islamic state in which the leaders are elected. Now what is that? Oh, yeah, it isn't what that fvcker with the RPG wants. He can go to Syria or Saudi Arabia if he wants a dictatorship cum monarchy with a state religion. Otherwise...

The majority of Iraqis do NOT want an extreme form of Islam to be a state mandated religion, and I'd hazard to guess that most want it to be secular. They grew quite fond of it under Saddam.

 

[Kroze]

That idiot got what he deserved in my opinion. Rather him than US.

The weapon that he got killed by is probably a medium machine gun crew served weapon. M240

Since we don't use tracers in our M-16 (M-4 for the Army).

If it was a heavy machine gun (.50 Cal) heh. There would be a million pieces of him on the street.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: zoiksMuslims never hated Christianity. Its more like recent western policies that they hate.

I nominate this for the most unintelligent statement of the week on ATOT.

And why would it be sad that we killed this guy. Now he gets to have his 72 virgins and live in paradise.

If it's wrong to take pleasure in the loss of a human life, then fvcking sue me. Because I was absolutely thrilled to find out that the pieces of sh!t who murdered Johnson were killed today. I hope they suffered, a lot.

You do realize that most of these insurgent attacks are being planned and directed by people like Zarqawi, who is a Jordanian associate of Al Qaeda. He is NOT an Iraqi just fighting against the invaders.

By the way,
What codec do I need for that slo mo link?

 

[Kroze]

Enough with all these useless fighting. They are just doing their jobs. It's kill or be killed. Now if you have a problem with that, maybe you should take on the devil dog's boot and be in that situation. You'll soon realized that it's not their fault. The soldiers/Marines is just surviving. Blame the top dog (president/dictator) if you have any concern or pity for the Iraqi.

Or maybe perhaps you've forgotten the day that thousands of innocent Americans got murdered in the twin tower?


Who are they trying to convince that their religion means Peace? Islam doesn't mean peace.

Peace my nuttt.


Beheading anyone with your bare hands with a knife and watch them die is beyond evil.

 

[Kroze]

By the way,
What codec do I need for that slo mo link?

Windows Media Player 9 with all the updates

I'd rather watch videos of those iraqi getting killed than our troops. got any more?

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: zoiks
You guys are all fvcking sick to applaud any kind of loss of life, be it ours or the Iraqis.
To me its all kind of sad whats going on.

Yeah, life sucks. Know what? Sometimes you've got to choose sides because we obviously can't live together in a pretty little garden and sings songs. It's us or them. They brought the war to us and now they're paying the price. Tough sh!t.

Now that is a fvcking retarded statement, and you know it. "They brought the war to us..." Wtf?! That guy who was shot is in no way related to the people who hijacked the plane, other than the fact that they were all middle eastern. IMO, in his mind he was simply trying to attack the army invading his country, and had no chance in hell.

BULLSH!T BULLSH!T BULLSH!T. That guy does NOT give a fvck about his country. If he did he'd allow it to become a democracy and then he'd VOTE. No, this guy wants HIS way, and his way is in a MINORITY and they seek to gain illegitimate power. I'm not going to get into an Al-Qaida/Saddam debate, but that guy doesn't give a flying fvck about the majority of his country. That's like saying the Klan cared about the US because they fought to keep the black people out of white neighborhoods. That may be fallacious reasoning, but it is goddamn accurate.

Riiiiight..so you know exactly how he was brought up, and how he was trained to think and believe. I am glad you know what his life was like. Do you think that growing up in a country like that, anyone would say "Man...I think we need a democracy". I sure don't. You do what everyone else does, what your parents do, it is just how things are.

Were the blacks invading the US? No.

Fact is, the US was invading, and he was attacking the invaders. True? Yes.

You are trying to rationalize his behavior based on culture, which is simply illogical. If you look at the bulk of Iraqis you'd find they favor a secular state or a moderate islamic state in which the leaders are elected. Now what is that? Oh, yeah, it isn't what that fvcker with the RPG wants. He can go to Syria or Saudi Arabia if he wants a dictatorship cum monarchy with a state religion. Otherwise...

The majority of Iraqis do NOT want an extreme form of Islam to be a state mandated religion, and I'd hazard to guess that most want it to be secular. They grew quite fond of it under Saddam.

Whatever, you know everything. :beer:

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: VanillaH
my thoughts exactly.

the root of evil is israel IMO.

Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!

The fact that you would enter into a thread having nothing to do with Israel in any significant way is pretty telling, IMO.

 

[Balt]

That guy got fvcking owned.

That's all I have to say about that.

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by: Kroze
That idiot got what he deserved in my opinion. Rather him than US.

The weapon that he got killed by is probably a medium machine gun crew served weapon. M240

Since we don't use tracers in our M-16 (M-4 for the Army).

If it was a heavy machine gun (.50 Cal) heh. There would be a million pieces of him on the street.

With the apparent high rate of fire, my guess would be an M249....

 

[Daaavo]

Wow!



I went ahead and renamed it, and am hosting it here.

 

[MillionaireNextDoor]

Originally posted by: Daaavo
Wow!



I went ahead and renamed it, and am hosting it here.

thanks. wow.

 

[Wheezer]

<Stan>OH MY GOD THEY KILLED ABDUL!!!</Stan>

<Kyle> YOU BASTARDS!!!</Kyle>

 

[alkemyst]

I think it's absolutely pathetic pacifists here are defending this guy out of their own fears that war will come to the states (again).

You guys are feeling bad for a guy who's death was probably celebrated, he now gets 72 blonde white chicks and a mercedes....do you understand that their religion teachs them death for their cause is a guaranteed paradise win.

If you are not religious it's wasted on you, if you only know the starbucks cafe latte/SUV life it's wasted on you. These people have hard freaking lives, dying on a battlefield is something that's par for the course for them for the last 2000 years. We are merely involved directly now....we have brought no real chance to their homeland, just a new color on the military craft and uniforms.

Now like any soldier, some wish they could be home with their families, perhaps some would love to live in America, perhaps even a few or more want/are christians. Just like american soldiers, you don't have to agree with it all....your job is to defend the country and help it's war machine move forward...

War sucks, but we are in the heat now...only way out is for someone to stand down and it ain't going to happen soon.

I predict (and it sucks) that they are going to get through our security and mess up some subway or large public area of civilians. Maybe a few targets. In the whole scheme of things if you are getting narcotics and drugs into the country bio-chemical agents wouldn't be that hard. Not withstanding just coming here on H1B or some educational visa and whipping up some neurotoxin in the college lab.

The sad part is I can guarantee if it's going on, at least a half dozen americans know about it but 'dont want to get involved as the guy MIGHT be a terrorist and hurt them' sort of ironic.