I'm not a fun of Bush by any means, and don't plan to vote for him, but do you really believe that? Do you think the Iraqis were better/happier under Saddam, than being occupied now? There difference in rebellion is that Saddam would just annihiliate anyone that crossed him, whereas we are only going after those in the uprisings.
silverpig
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How many civilians has he killed? Do you know? Was he a member of Al Qaeda? I didn't catch the frame where he flashed his membership card.
He was fighting a war in his home country against foreign troops. I'm not defending the guy at all, but I really wish people weren't so easily brainwashed.
With us or against us indeed. Seems like if you're against the US you are a commie-nazi-al qaeda-terroist by default.
Nitemare
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Have you been living in Xanadu?
Mot all Muslims are terrorists who hate Christianity, but the ones that carry guns and IED's hate us.
It would basically be the same thing if we let the KKK go around and kill people who they didn't like unchecked. Sure we wouldn't be murderers, but does doing nothing while your countrymen kill and maim assure you of your space in heaven?
See the quote in my sig for my feelings
silverpig
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None of us is really qualified enough to say who's in the right here. There's so much history involved, and so much we don't know.
My purpose for being in this thread, as outlined by the post you quoted, is to point out the pleasure people are taking in the death of a human being.
I think it was the US that was providing arms to Iraq to fight Iran. Now the US is fighting the person that it supplied arms with. I believe that is the same case with Afghanistan since a lot of those fighting the US were the same people we fueled during the Russian occupation.
Israel on the other hand gets away with murder. Israel isnt fighting any one else's war but their own. They however possess very good tactics at having other people fight for their war.
News aint worthy enough unless its true.
Back then there werent any gunmen looking out for Americans to kill which is my point what I am trying to convey to you. I hope you get this.
Ahahha, very funny. You been living in a hole? Moslem has been clashing with christianity since the era of the crusader.
BurnItDwn
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I'm pretty sure the hardcore Islamics hated the west long before the days of napolean. I think it started with the Crusades. Though I'm sure their animosity towards us has increased once we left the dark ages, and then since the 80s their hatred has grown to a loathing.
Of course, any place where religion is allowed to rule without checks and balances is gonna be really f'd up. They have been held back so long by horribly corrupt governments and they don't know what being free and having a decent quality of life is like. They also live in a real sh!t hole, so I don't blame them for being mad at the world. However, killing people who have a nice quality of life with different beliefs is kinda lame. Then again I hate all those with extreme religious views (ie, creationists, cultists, people that want to have that stone thing with the 10 rules (i forget what they are called) inside a court of law, people that think coins should have the part about trusting god on them, people who read the bible book, and iterpret it as a book of facts that should be taken literally, and people who tell me I should go to church.)
Once Islam as a whole decides to embrace western tradititions, such as equal rights for both sexes, consumption of beverages containing alcohol in moderate quantities for enjoyment, and just enjoying life while you are alive, The world will be a much better place for everyone. Until that happens, its going to be a bloody mess. Since I am on the side that I believe is right, I am going to support the USA 100%. I have nothing against any races at all, however I have everything against any form of totalitarian control, and IMO organizations run by evil cultist nutjobs (such as osama bin laden and Saddom Hussain, and in the old days Hitler) absolutely must be destroyed at any expense. If we have to blow up their holy sites and schools in order to kill them all, then so be it. I am glad that that bastard got killed. One less person left to kill.
Also, my post is just an expression of my opinions, they probably differ from your opinions, but please be civil.
so what if instead of the video of this guy getting killed, we see him fire the rpg, and hit a squad of us soldiers?
what would your reaction be, zoinks?
also, i find it ironic that you have an american flag as your avatar, yet you have such skewed views of the war.
what would your reaction be, zoinks?
also, i find it ironic that you have an american flag as your avatar, yet you have such skewed views of the war.
alkemyst
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then it boils down to which side are you on.
Sure war is wrong...but soldiers are definitely the least innocent. They know what the game is going in and many abuse that.
If you know the whole Iraqi lifestyle and can say it's great, thumbs up..you are a tard. They live off power conquers all. Women = slaves. and worse.
It's not civilization.
That said yeah sure they have parties, make love, jokes and all that. They are human too....war is sad.
It all depends of what era you are talking about. I believe that goes both ways. Spain was once ruled by Islam until it was brought down. And that wasnt done with dialog either if you know what I mean.
Hatred goes both ways. And I think that you are setting a prime example.
I just saw your sig for PETA. Now I know why you feel the way you are.
Sir, if I do not support the war, that doesnt mean that I am not an American. Just because I do not agree with my lead politicians goals and ambitions doesnt mean that I do not love this country.
I believe that you are thinking the wrong side up.
I agree with you on some points. But I think that all cultures and religions do not have the tenacity to embrace 'western cultures' and adapt it in their society to the hilt. It just doesnt work for some and thats the way it is. If peace is to be just by shoving your own ways down somebody elses throat then I believe there just wont be any peace.
BurnItDwn
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I believe its this comment that makes you seem unamerican. But it really depends on how its interpreted.
"You guys are all fvcking sick to applaud any kind of loss of life, be it ours or the Iraqis.
To me its all kind of sad whats going on. "
In one way, it could be interpreted as you basicly thinking. "I wish the Americans did not kill that guy that hah an RPG pointed at them. They should have let him live so he could have lived happily ever after"
(though we all know that if they gave that bastard 5 more seconds, it would have been american bodies on the ground, and not his)
That mindset is very anti-American IMO.
though it could (and IMO should) be interpreted as saying, War is bad, I wish the Americans could be home and not having to put up with terrible $h!t such as nutjobs with RPGs pointed at them. I also wish those people would live their own lives, and that a peaceful resolution could be reached"
That is a very honorable opinion, and will I respect it (If you meant something like that)
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