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Originally posted by: conjur
And that site doesn't break out Iraqi civilians killed by their own troops or Iraqi AA fire/bombs (like the Sha'ab market and the other market).
And how many civilians killed when they refused to join the paramilitary forces?
Links, please.Originally posted by: iamWolverine
Most of those market explosions have been confirmed as coming from American / UK weapons not Iraqi.
How do deaths at the hand of the Iraqi regime justify civilian deaths at the hands of "allied" forces?
Originally posted by: Morph
You know, if it makes you people sleep better at night, go ahead and convince yourself that Iraq caused ALL of the civilian casualties themselves.
Originally posted by: NightTrain
Originally posted by: Morph
You know, if it makes you people sleep better at night, go ahead and convince yourself that Iraq caused ALL of the civilian casualties themselves.
I sleep better knowing my side doesn't purposely target civilians and/or intentionally put them at risk...unlike the other side.
PS. Anyone know how many tons of radiative waste (depleted uranium) we've managed to get rid of over the last two gulf wars by dumping it on Iraqis in the form of bombs? I'm thinking if we can keep finding enemies to go to war with, we can get rid of all our radiactive waste this way.
Originally posted by: etech
Morph
PS. Anyone know how many tons of radiative waste (depleted uranium) we've managed to get rid of over the last two gulf wars by dumping it on Iraqis in the form of bombs? I'm thinking if we can keep finding enemies to go to war with, we can get rid of all our radiactive waste this way.
0, none, nada, DU is not used in bombs.
British and American coalition forces are using depleted uranium (DU) shells in the war against Iraq and deliberately flouting a United Nations resolution which classifies the munitions as illegal weapons of mass destruction.
DU contaminates land, causes ill-health and cancers among the soldiers using the weapons, the armies they target and civilians, leading to birth defects in children.
Well, I'm sure if Gore was the one in charge of the bombs being dropped you'd have no problems. Were you in such protest when Clinton was launching strikes against Iraq in 1998, and Kosovo in 1999?Originally posted by: Morph
RossGr,
No one is saying that we "targetted" the marketplace. But these "smart" bombs are not perfect. They can go off course and miss their targets. Their GPS guidance can be jammed. The human operators can make mistakes. Look at all the deaths due to accidents and friendly fire we've had in this war and in the last gulf war. And yet people want to believe that we can drop tens of thousands of bombs and not have any mistakes or miscues. That's just unrealistic.
Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: NightTrain
Originally posted by: Morph
You know, if it makes you people sleep better at night, go ahead and convince yourself that Iraq caused ALL of the civilian casualties themselves.
I sleep better knowing my side doesn't purposely target civilians and/or intentionally put them at risk...unlike the other side.
I'd say dropping bombs in a city is intentionally putting them at risk. I suppose you think they're all Nerf Bombs?
Originally posted by: conjur
Links, please.
The reports I've read and heard in various places state the craters were way too small to have come from cruise missiles or JDAMs.
300 tons of munitions...not DU.Originally posted by: Morph
Let me rephrase it then, although you know exactly what I'm taling about. How many tons of depleted uranium munitions?
Answer: over 300 tons in first gulf war, who knows how much in this one
The use of the term illegal in that article is purely an opinion. And where is the detail in the studies to which they refer?
Originally posted by: iamWolverine
Originally posted by: conjur
Links, please.
The reports I've read and heard in various places state the craters were way too small to have come from cruise missiles or JDAMs.
linked
300 tons of munitions...not DU.Originally posted by: conjur
Answer: over 300 tons in first gulf war, who knows how much in this one
HA!Originally posted by: iamWolverine
Originally posted by: conjur
Links, please.
The reports I've read and heard in various places state the craters were way too small to have come from cruise missiles or JDAMs.
linked
Originally posted by: NightTrain
Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: NightTrain
Originally posted by: Morph
You know, if it makes you people sleep better at night, go ahead and convince yourself that Iraq caused ALL of the civilian casualties themselves.
I sleep better knowing my side doesn't purposely target civilians and/or intentionally put them at risk...unlike the other side.
I'd say dropping bombs in a city is intentionally putting them at risk. I suppose you think they're all Nerf Bombs?
We don't intentionally target civilians. Saddam's forces do.
I'm satisfied with my side. Are you?