Iraq is a TICKING TIMEBOMB what are we waiting FOR?????

[HeroOfPellinor]

How much death have YOU seen up close? It better have been a whole lot and you better have come to some grand epiphony amidst the carnage or else you're nothing but a self-righteous hypocrit.

 

[db]

Spraying deadly chemicals, especially anthrax, from crop dusters, was discussed by hands-on experts several months ago on an NPR program.
In short, that is a pretty ineffective way to try and kill people b/c it just does not work well in reality as compared to in theory.

I would like to see some hard evidence that Iraq has hard ties and supports the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11, *especially* compared to Saudi Arabia, with whom we are butt-buddies!
I find it suspicious that we need to attack Iraq when so many other countries are as bad or worse.
It looks to me suspiciously like an oil ploy on the part of major US players.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

How much death have you seen? I mean close up and personal.

Well I was at the Oklahoma City Bombing within a couple oh hours of it happening. Saw many dead then and had to walk over dead bodies on my way to help retrieve the colors from the USMC office there. Personally I have never killed anyone but would have no problems doing so. There have been occasions when I have had to pull my sidearm one someone but as of yet I haven't had to actually fire.

Good, honest ruthlessness. I can respect you more. I to am quite capable of killing. I also have held the mangled bodies of dying children. You seem to have no problem repeating that event. I do.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
How much death have YOU seen up close? It better have been a whole lot and you better have come to some grans epiphony amidst the carnage or else you're nothing but a self-righteous hypocrit.

Aa great deal Hero, I have heard the screams of the dying. May you never.

 

[db]

I don't think anybody disagrees that Sadam is a very bad guy and needs to go, but there are lots of others as bad or worse. Shouldn't we start with the *worst* first if we're going to rid the world of the very bad guys?

 

[shiner]

You seem to have no problem repeating that event. I do.

If insuring my safety, my family's safety, or the freedom of my country are involved you better be damn sure I will kill whoever it takes to maintain those things. Death is never pretty but it is sometimes justified. In a case like Iraq, Afghanistan or any war for that matter it is necessary to kill people and blow things up. Sure we need to try to avoid civilian populations when possible. That is a difference between us and the terrorists. We do not purposely target innocent civilians or try to hide behind them and use them as shields.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: db
I don't think anybody disagrees that Sadam is a very bad guy and needs to go, but there are lots of others as bad or worse. Shouldn't we start with the *worst* first if we're going to rid the world of the very bad guys?

Who would that be?

 

[T2T III]

Is it worth killing 10's of thousands of civillians (my guess only mind you, but certainly we would kill many more civillians in Iraq than Afghanistan) for what we *think* they *might* do?

Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

You seem to have no problem repeating that event. I do.

If insuring my safety, my family's safety, or the freedom of my country are involved you better be damn sure I will kill whoever it takes to maintain those things. Death is never pretty but it is sometimes justified. In a case like Iraq, Afghanistan or any war for that matter it is necessary to kill people and blow things up. Sure we need to try to avoid civilian populations when possible. That is a difference between us and the terrorists. We do not purposely target innocent civilians or try to hide behind them and use them as shields.

Then why not target him and his staff? Dont tell me we cannot do this.I hear lets go into Iraq. Military arent you? Then you know ought to know what an adventure into Bagdad would cost, and not just in money. There are other solutions to this problem than full scale invasion. Again you know this, or ought too.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

How much death have you seen? I mean close up and personal.

Well I was at the Oklahoma City Bombing within a couple oh hours of it happening. Saw many dead then and had to walk over dead bodies on my way to help retrieve the colors from the USMC office there. Personally I have never killed anyone but would have no problems doing so. There have been occasions when I have had to pull my sidearm one someone but as of yet I haven't had to actually fire.

oh snap....i think he told u

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: shinerburke

You seem to have no problem repeating that event. I do.

If insuring my safety, my family's safety, or the freedom of my country are involved you better be damn sure I will kill whoever it takes to maintain those things. Death is never pretty but it is sometimes justified. In a case like Iraq, Afghanistan or any war for that matter it is necessary to kill people and blow things up. Sure we need to try to avoid civilian populations when possible. That is a difference between us and the terrorists. We do not purposely target innocent civilians or try to hide behind them and use them as shields.

Then why not target him and his staff? Dont tell me we cannot do this.I hear lets go into Iraq. Military arent you? Then you know ought to know what an adventure into Bagdad would cost, and not just in money. There are other solutions to this problem than full scale invasion. Again you know this, or ought too.

He would be gone before we could find him just like bin Laden... That is like a Muslim gathering a bunch of his guys together and saying, "Let's go get the Americas president" It's just probably not going to be successful.

 

[shiner]

I've never met anyone in the military who joined thinking they may never see action. We do have a voluntary military here and the people that join know there is always a chance they will be called to go to war. Could we take out Saddam and his staff? Only if we were to get lucky and catch him at a site and bomb the hell out of it. Getting close enough to him for a traditional assassination attempt is nearly impossible. He has purged all those around him that he has even .000000001% of a doubt about their loyalty. The man killed one of his own sons just because he thought he wanted to take over. It takes a truly ruthless and evil bastard to do something like that. It would be nice if we could just put a bullet through his head but that is highly unlikely to happen.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle

Originally posted by: shinerburke

How much death have you seen? I mean close up and personal.

Well I was at the Oklahoma City Bombing within a couple oh hours of it happening. Saw many dead then and had to walk over dead bodies on my way to help retrieve the colors from the USMC office there. Personally I have never killed anyone but would have no problems doing so. There have been occasions when I have had to pull my sidearm one someone but as of yet I haven't had to actually fire.

oh snap....i think he told u

Yeah he did. Next time he should try to keep the guts of a dying child in while she tries to scream for her mother

Edit- Next idiot

 

[shiner]

Yeah he did. Next time he should try to keep the guts of a dying child in while she tries to scream for her mother

Or try to explain to a child why they won't be seeing their daddy again because he was in the building when the bomb went off...... Like I said, Death isn't pretty but it is sometimes necessary. The only way to deal with terrorists, both at home and abroad, is to exterminate them.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle

Originally posted by: shinerburke

How much death have you seen? I mean close up and personal.

Well I was at the Oklahoma City Bombing within a couple oh hours of it happening. Saw many dead then and had to walk over dead bodies on my way to help retrieve the colors from the USMC office there. Personally I have never killed anyone but would have no problems doing so. There have been occasions when I have had to pull my sidearm one someone but as of yet I haven't had to actually fire.

oh snap....i think he told u

Yeah he did. Next time he should try to keep the guts of a dying child in while she tries to scream for her mother

Edit- Next idiot

Is this your website? It's in your profile. I didn't know electrical engineers got much medical experience.

 

[UDT89]

Iraq is gonna be treated just like terrorism was all these years. We're not gonna do *ish* till something terrible happens. Its the same thing that the US has been doing throughout history. Wait for something devistating then we will respond.

As for Canada and France opposing the whole idea of a war with Iraq. Are you kidding?????? I love Canada, been there and i love it, but cmon. U're sitting ducks without the US as allies.

Basically what needs to happen are one of two things.

1) The terrorists attack China/Japan or any other superpower. When that happens the US wont be able to stop any of them from retaliation. When this happens, we will be able to aid in their attacks.

2) The US gov't pretends to raid some terrorists house that contained plans to The Eiffel Tower, Big Ben, The Petronas Towers, The Jin Mao Tower, The Landmark Tower, etc with distinct markings how to collapse them. Then maybe this will help aid the US and others to gain allies in the terrorism battle.

I dont know where to side on these issues really. Bush went from Bin Laden, to Arafat, to Hussien pretty quickly. So far we got 0 of 3. Maybe if we close a chapter of one then we can move on.

But to me i can see it now in the 2004 election, "Vote Bush, he did the job his father couldnt."

OH YEA.....PS

This thing we call "WAR", u see it has no eyes or feelings. People die in WAR that arent supposed to. Thats why its called WAR. If we keep trying to protect innocent people with such precise attacks, soon those who we protect become the shields. To be honest, i'd sacrafice a women or a child to save my family and friends. B/c right now if sadamm attacked NY with a mass destruction weapon, my family and my close friends are done for. Its a tough choice for some, but for me its easy.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Yeah he did. Next time he should try to keep the guts of a dying child in while she tries to scream for her mother

Or try to explain to a child why they won't be seeing their daddy again because he was in the building when the bomb went off...... Like I said, Death isn't pretty but it is sometimes necessary. The only way to deal with terrorists, both at home and abroad, is to exterminate them.

Ok, let me calm down a bit. There may come a time when I am convinced that an attack against Iraq is justified. I am not there yet. And no before the idiots come in again, that does mean I need to see a mushroom cloud. But men like Eagleburger and Powell and others are reluctant to attack without clear-cut evidence. Wont let inspections ? Show up with a division, and you will get in. If he doesnt let you, then let er rip if thats what you want. The thing is that invasion is a LAST resort. Also, remember Bin Laden? Where the hell is he? Not in Iraq I would bet. Who here thinks Saddam and Bin Ladden are buddies?
Also think of consequences. What do you think will happen with terrorism of Iraq is decimated? Terrorism would rin so rampant in revenge, that you will think 9/11 was an MTV stunt. Israel has gone after Palestinians time and again. That is working out nicely isnt it?

War NEEDS to be the last resort, because after that nothing is left as an option

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle

Originally posted by: shinerburke

How much death have you seen? I mean close up and personal.

Well I was at the Oklahoma City Bombing within a couple oh hours of it happening. Saw many dead then and had to walk over dead bodies on my way to help retrieve the colors from the USMC office there. Personally I have never killed anyone but would have no problems doing so. There have been occasions when I have had to pull my sidearm one someone but as of yet I haven't had to actually fire.

oh snap....i think he told u

Yeah he did. Next time he should try to keep the guts of a dying child in while she tries to scream for her mother Edit- Next idiot

Is this your website? It's in your profile. I didn't know electrical engineers got much medical experience.

Did you notice the name of the person on the web page?

Next.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle

Originally posted by: shinerburke

How much death have you seen? I mean close up and personal.

Well I was at the Oklahoma City Bombing within a couple oh hours of it happening. Saw many dead then and had to walk over dead bodies on my way to help retrieve the colors from the USMC office there. Personally I have never killed anyone but would have no problems doing so. There have been occasions when I have had to pull my sidearm one someone but as of yet I haven't had to actually fire.

oh snap....i think he told u

Yeah he did. Next time he should try to keep the guts of a dying child in while she tries to scream for her mother Edit- Next idiot

Is this your website? It's in your profile. I didn't know electrical engineers got much medical experience.

Did you notice the name of the person on the web page?

Next.

It was an honest question, I don't know what your name or profession is.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle

Originally posted by: shinerburke

How much death have you seen? I mean close up and personal.

Well I was at the Oklahoma City Bombing within a couple oh hours of it happening. Saw many dead then and had to walk over dead bodies on my way to help retrieve the colors from the USMC office there. Personally I have never killed anyone but would have no problems doing so. There have been occasions when I have had to pull my sidearm one someone but as of yet I haven't had to actually fire.

oh snap....i think he told u

Yeah he did. Next time he should try to keep the guts of a dying child in while she tries to scream for her mother Edit- Next idiot

Is this your website? It's in your profile. I didn't know electrical engineers got much medical experience.

Did you notice the name of the person on the web page? Next.

It was an honest question, I don't know what your name or profession is.

Sorry I am upset at the thought of all this and my mood is not as jolly as it usually is. The web site was found quite by accident, and I put it in as a gag. Thougt it might give others a chuckle

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
I've never met anyone in the military who joined thinking they may never see action. We do have a voluntary military here and the people that join know there is always a chance they will be called to go to war. Could we take out Saddam and his staff? Only if we were to get lucky and catch him at a site and bomb the hell out of it. Getting close enough to him for a traditional assassination attempt is nearly impossible. He has purged all those around him that he has even .000000001% of a doubt about their loyalty. The man killed one of his own sons just because he thought he wanted to take over. It takes a truly ruthless and evil bastard to do something like that. It would be nice if we could just put a bullet through his head but that is highly unlikely to happen.

Shinerburke,

Saddam Hussein killed his son?? That is news to me. He has two sons, one of whom is a certified sociopath, but he has never killed any of his children to my knowledge. Could you elaborate on that statement? Sources??

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: shinerburke
I've never met anyone in the military who joined thinking they may never see action. We do have a voluntary military here and the people that join know there is always a chance they will be called to go to war. Could we take out Saddam and his staff? Only if we were to get lucky and catch him at a site and bomb the hell out of it. Getting close enough to him for a traditional assassination attempt is nearly impossible. He has purged all those around him that he has even .000000001% of a doubt about their loyalty. The man killed one of his own sons just because he thought he wanted to take over. It takes a truly ruthless and evil bastard to do something like that. It would be nice if we could just put a bullet through his head but that is highly unlikely to happen.

Shinerburke,

Saddam Hussein killed his son?? That is news to me. He has two sons, one of whom is a certified sociopath, but he has never killed any of his children to my knowledge. Could you elaborate on that statement? Sources??

I think it was actually his son in law.

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: shinerburke
I've never met anyone in the military who joined thinking they may never see action. We do have a voluntary military here and the people that join know there is always a chance they will be called to go to war. Could we take out Saddam and his staff? Only if we were to get lucky and catch him at a site and bomb the hell out of it. Getting close enough to him for a traditional assassination attempt is nearly impossible. He has purged all those around him that he has even .000000001% of a doubt about their loyalty. The man killed one of his own sons just because he thought he wanted to take over. It takes a truly ruthless and evil bastard to do something like that. It would be nice if we could just put a bullet through his head but that is highly unlikely to happen.

Shinerburke,

Saddam Hussein killed his son?? That is news to me. He has two sons, one of whom is a certified sociopath, but he has never killed any of his children to my knowledge. Could you elaborate on that statement? Sources??

I think it was actually his son in law.

Well that is completely different than killing your son. Husseins son in law idiot that he was defected and then actually WENT BACK TO IRAQ. Dumbass.

 

[dawks]

Iraq is a TICKING TIMEBOMB what are we waiting FOR?????

Sigh...

As for Canada and France opposing the whole idea of a war with Iraq. Are you kidding?????? I love Canada, been there and i love it, but cmon. U're sitting ducks without the US as allies.

I dont understand.. What would that matter? Is Iraq going to start attacking Canada out of the blue? Do you know of threats againts Canada that the rest of the world doesnt?

Besides, if Britian declares war, Canada doesnt have much of a choice in the matter.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
A quote by General George S. Patton. It applies to this situation just as well as it did to WWII

"We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home." - General George S. Patton in his address to the Third Army

Full Text of the speech

you realize that we're not at war with iraq, and that if we go to war with Iraq, we will be the ones who started it, right?