Iraq has everything to do with terrorism

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Edge3D
What does Iraq have to do with terrorism?
Usually a question coming from one who is not capable of learning from history, nor that understands that Freedom is Not Free, would usually ask.

Insulting yourself, good way to start...self-deprecation.

In case you happen to be one of those, I'll tell you.

Oh, sorry, I'm quite unlike you.

First, remember that Saddam Hussein financially funded and encouraged radical Islamic suicide bombing. He has allied and aligned himself with those groups such as Al Qaeda, so we know he was involved in such activity.

Saddam Hussein was in NO way associated with Al Qaeda. Even Pres. Bush has said there is NO link. Saddam did fund Hezbollah suicide bombers only in that they were able to attack Israel on a consistent basis and Saddam's hatred of Israel is 2nd to none...well...except maybe the U.S.

Second, the pre-war intelligence. The intelligence that Saddam had WMDs.. the intelligence that Clinton and Kerry both believed and Kerry even voted to initiate a WAR from! How irresponsible of him. Tisk-tisk.

You're again borrowing from the Book of Bush: Obfuscate!

Clinton, when he was in office, was using intelligence known to him at the time. By the time 2002 rolled around, the Bush administration was relying upon unvetted CIA intelligence and other sources deemed unreliable by the CIA. This administration knew that but still continued on as if nothing was wrong. The information upon which Kerry based his vote authorizing the use of force was provided by the Bush administration. Kerry was no longer on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Come my liberal friends, lets [sic] hold the fire to his feet.. because WAR has NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING!
Well, at least.. the wars this country has waged that have crushed socialism and communism across the globe..

What war were we in that crushed communism? The one we lost in Vietnam? The non-war that felled the Berlin Wall?

No WONDER they hate America! We put down oppressive governments and dictatorships.
That would explain their love for Fidel Castro as well!

Now you're just completely going off the deep end of the Rhetoric Pool.

Oh, and forget women's rights in Iraq and the middle-east.. thats [sic] only for rich, white AMERICAN women!
Way to hold people down liberals! No racism there!

How does this relate to terrorism? And, btw, women had some rights in Iraq, more than in other Arab states.

See, the thing is that leftists dont REALLY have any conviction, dont [sic] REALLY have any principles of "peace/love/tolerance". They dont [sic] believe in anything, not womens [sic] rights, not a strong black America.. nothing.
All their policies (more like reaction to conservative initiatives), are really just divisive and pits one American against another.. "fear politics" to scare votes of blacks/whites/asians/hispanics/the elderly to maintain power.
There is no real conviction underneath it all, or they'd be for heading to the middle east.. and freeing these poor people from the shackles of oppression. I forgot, they dont do such a thing unless a Democrat is in office. Their "conviction" and beliefs stop right there.

Now, all of a sudden, anyone who doesn't agree with you is a "leftist"? Do you even know what a "leftist" is?? I seriously doubt it. And to claim that Democratic policies are only reactions to conservative initiatives is completely laughable. That claim is seriously making me doubt your education and even your sanity.

Back on topic, its [sic] the average conservatives [sic] more intellectual nature to think things through.. to understand concepts that liberals would rather not think about because it goes against their politics to admit the truth in many matters in which they are wrong in.

What are you talking about here? You certainly cannot mean the current administration. This administration has done more to suppress actual debate in the policy-making process than any other administration that I can think of!! Why do you think Paul O'Neill was fired?

For instance, the conservatives in this nation have came to the clear conclusion that the only long-term solution to the problem with Islamic radicalism.. is to stop the culture and situation that breeds it.
To institute a free democracy in Iraq, or any middle-eastern nation for that matter (it does not matter), is very capable of starting a domino effect across the middle east.

You are mislabeling those that fought for this war. They are the NEOCONS, they are not true conservatives. They are not for fiscal responsibility nor against nation-building. The PNAC forced its vision upon the world, through Bush, after the 9/11 attacks. You can thank Perle, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld for that.

Something France and Germany would likely very much oppose, as they were in favorable condition with the previous murderous dictators.
Also, the liberals/democrats/leftists in America OF COURSE oppose the war, not [sic] matter WHAT the reason, no matter WHAT anyone does (no matter how correct the actions and intentions might be).. becuase [sic] its [sic] spreading freedom, liberty and democracy across the world.

Nope, again, you are COMPLETELY wrong. There are many non-Republicans who favored action in Iraq but doing so in the PROPER way! Remember how George H. W. Bush and James Baker culled a true worldwide coalition of over 100 nations? Compare that to the bribery involved with George W. Bush to procure a weak coalition which involved troops from an additional half-dozen nations. Wow...some real widespread support there, Skippy!!

They FEAR these things because Democracy is ran [sic] by a forum of ideas.
An arena they have proven to NOT be capable of competing in. [/b]

Kerry is a statesman compared to Bush. Again, I seriously question your education and your sanity.

The [sic] only dominate in the arena of mass-TV media and HOLLYWOOD. Where in both areas they can slide in subversive dogma that is unseen to the untrained and uneducated eye.

Michael Eisner? Rupert Murdoch? Names ring a bell? Rather conservative individuals who happen to run some rather large media conglomerates.

When it comes to a real debate, when it comes to the facts.. they are no where to be found in society.
Hence Limbaugh, Hannity and the plethora of other talk radio hosts just like them dominate the airwaves.

You should try listening to NPR or watching C-SPAN. Limbaugh, Hannity, Medved, Beck, Prager, etc. are just inflammatory, at best. Why do you think they interrupt their callers, engage in inflammatory rhetoric, screen their callers to get weak opponents and strong supporters? It's all in the name of RATINGS. Those AM talk radio heads don't give one sh*t about the truth. They're just in it for ratings and money.

Just as conservatives regularly dominate the NYT best sellers list.

Like Richard Clarke, Joseph Wilson, Paul O'Neill (Suskind)

As I illustrated above, they run off of platforms of divide and conquer.
Things such as liberal white guilt is used against the liberal fools. Reparations for slavery are used against blacks. Threats that some evil Republican is going to take away their social security is used against our elderly. And so on.

While Republicans wager that people should use the very freedoms they are allowed and encourage personal responsibility.. rather than government reliance and playing the blame game for eternity.

Its [sic] the conservatives, the people who go to work everyday, the people who have and are defended this nation that make it great.
Not the liberal who sits in his chair and watches as we bring democracy to the middle east (concurrently defeating Islamic radicalism at the same time).. the liberal who sits as we go to work everyday so he may recieve a free ride. The liberal who sits and watches as the conservatives enjoy and excel in this capitalist society.
The conservatives, the ones who promote family values.
Conservatives in America promote everything that is good and right about America as the liberals represent everything that is wrong.

Ok...more ranting and raving. I though we were talking about terrorism?

So what does Iraq have to do with terrorism? It has EVERYTHING to do with terrorism. Its [sic] the PERFECT starting point in a quest to stop Islamic radicalism once and for all.

How so? Iraq is not known as a center of militant Islamic radicals. One must look to Iran, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Indonesia for them.

The only long term solution. [sic] Funny, that John F'n Kerry has no other answers.. other than if elected to actually pretty much follow through with the plan.

By engaging in worldwide efforts to combat terrorism, not INCREASE terrorism by invading sovereign nations without worldwide support.

Republicans Lead. The rest, follow. Its [sic] the reason why we control this country. It really is that simple.
I would and very well could be a Democrat, IF they'd LEAD and DO something.

In my short time on earth, all I've seen them capable of doing is complaining and carrying out witch-hunts...oops! I mean, "investigations".

Oh, like Ken Starr did against Clinton? It's ok for YOUR side to conduct witch-hunts...oops! I mean, "investigations".

Since this has turned into a nice rant, I'd like to note a piece of logic that seems to escape every liberals [sic] minds. [sic]

If Iraq has nothing to do with terrorists, then why are they so mad that we are there?
Doesnt [sic] seem to make sense. But then again, as I've illustrated the faulty politics of Left America they dont make much sense at all.

Because we are a staunch supporter of Israel and invading Iraq made us an easy target.

Besides, who would OSAMA rather have President of the USA.. the puppet John Kerry who bows and crawls on his knees to special interest groups and their money.

Bush is the puppet. Bush is a virgin when it comes to foreign relations. That's why the PNAC neocons have been able to enact their vision so well with the direction of Cheney's arm up Bush's ass.

Or the President, who has given in to NO ONE. Has kicked ass all over the middle east and has successfully accomplished the mission of implementing a democracy in Iraq.

Yeah, he sure kicked ass alright. :roll:

Afghanistan is just a model democracy now.
No warlords ruling large portions of the country there. Nope.
President Karzai isn't pleading for billions in aid. Nope.
The Taliban and Al Qaeda aren't still killing coalition troops there. Nope.

And U.S. support is SO strong in Iraq. Ayup. Why, I'll be willing to bet they're fully democratic in 18 months because Bush KICKED ASS!!


:roll:

As John Kerrys [sic] friend Howard Dean said that SADDAM HUSSEIN was INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.. maybe OSAMA deserves such a right as well! Hey we dont [sic] REALLY know he did it.

The limp wristed [sic] liberals have no place in America at this point in history. Its [sic] time for the real leaders to take over.

I'll agree with that last portion of your statement. It's time for Kerry to become President and bring back thought, debate, diplomacy, accountability, and fiscal responsibility to the White House!

We fixed Clintons [sic] recession. We fixed the USA's horrid national security state that Clinton left us. We've fixed Clintons [sic] decrepit and decayed military. We've been trying to keep the sanctity of marriage for a man and woman.

It wasn't Clinton's recession and it hasn't been "fixed". And, how does cutting FBI funding, as per Ashcroft, constitute fixing the "horrid national security state"?

President Bush even tried to pass a permanent ban on broadband internet.. something that Democrats incessently [sic] want to get their greedy hands into taxing to spend inefficiently.

More bullsh*t rhetoric.

Proof is in the pudding, we RUN this place. And we're going to smash Flip-Flop Kerry this year. When hes [sic] in a statistical tie with Bush in CALIFORNIA at this point in the game.. its [sic] already over and going to be the biggest landslide since Mondale/Reagan.

The demos are just going to have to reform and become a party worth voting for again.. sadly, which hasnt happened since before they embraced the radical politics of the 60's "revolution".
You know, that hippy revolution of rich, dumb white kids who knew nothing about life and sent the colored man off to fight their war (again, no racism there). As they smoked pot and spit on them as they came back from defending their freedom to remain clueless.

Remember it was a Democrat who sent everyone off to Vietnam and a Republican who got us out.

Peace, love, understanding my liberal friends!

I'll leave you with a few quotes.

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
John Stuart Mill

And Einstein has a few words for all you liberal "Einsteins" out there!

?The world is too dangerous to live in - not because of the people who do evil, but because of the people who sit and let it happen.? - Albert Einstein

LMAO at that last bit there...wow!! The brainwashing has worked perfectly on you!

They should add his name to the description of this forum, Passions and Edge3D are always high.

I think he is just messing with us, nobody can be this dense. I don't think i will ever take the time you guys do to tear up his posts, he'll just reply with ten year old intelligence like he did to zephyr.

 

[glaHHg]

I'll handle this:

Originally posted by: Edge3D
What does Iraq have to do with terrorism?
Usually a question coming from one who is not capable of learning from history, nor that understands that Freedom is Not Free, would usually ask.

Your father was a fish. You evolved from an egg laid in water, fertilized by a sperm fish swimming upstream - just as salmon swim up stream to fertilize female egg laid in the water. Maybe, you should worship a fish god.

In case you happen to be one of those, I'll tell you.
First, remember that Saddam Hussein financially funded and encouraged radical Islamic suicide bombing. He has allied and aligned himself with those groups such as Al Qaeda, so we know he was involved in such activity.

Truth about Santa Claus debunks Santa God. God evolves from Santa.

Second, the pre-war intelligence. The intelligence that Saddam had WMDs.. the intelligence that Clinton and Kerry both believed and Kerry even voted to initiate a WAR from! How irresponsible of him. Tisk-tisk.
Come my liberal friends, lets hold the fire to his feet.. because WAR has NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING!
Well, at least.. the wars this country has waged that have crushed socialism and communism across the globe..
No WONDER they hate America! We put down oppressive governments and dictatorships.
That would explain their love for Fidel Castro as well!

How long will it take the educated to destroy Nature? Destroying Nature equates destroying future children, for Nature constitutes the reservoir for human spirit. Ever notice how Nature returns when humans leave? One day, vines will cover New York like Aztec ruins. Academic scientists created over 77,000 tons of atomic waste and more everyday - for your children's future. You educated stupid bastards are unworthy of Earth.

Oh, and forget women's rights in Iraq and the middle-east.. thats only for rich, white AMERICAN women!
Way to hold people down liberals! No racism there!

If I tell a human that his 4-corner head (nose, 2 ears and back corner) has only a 1-corner face, the dumb- ass will say to me - "prove it". He knows not that his face is a corner.

See, the thing is that leftists dont REALLY have any conviction, dont REALLY have any principles of "peace/love/tolerance". They dont believe in anything, not womens rights, not a strong black America.. nothing.
All their policies (more like reaction to conservative initiatives), are really just divisive and pits one American against another.. "fear politics" to scare votes of blacks/whites/asians/hispanics/the elderly to maintain power.
There is no real conviction underneath it all, or they'd be for heading to the middle east.. and freeing these poor people from the shackles of oppression.

Man isn't a steward of life's nature, the bastard plunders it like killing future children, for they die without nature.Word is not Real nor Truth, but deadly virus of humanity, transmitted through language.

I forgot, they dont do such a thing unless a Democrat is in office. Their "conviction" and beliefs stop right there.

You should know that harmonic symmetry demands a second great circle meridian to create sunup and sundown corner quadrants? There are 4 simultaneous 24 hour days within a single rotation of the Earth. You may be too damn evil to accept it.

Back on topic, its the average conservatives more intellectual nature to think things through.. to understand concepts that liberals would rather not think about because it goes against their politics to admit the truth in many matters in which they are wrong in.

Man is the only evil animal. Man is the only word animal. Word equates instituted evil. Word adultism is anti-child. A 'word god'can be erased. Word brings a Babel curse. Get ready for armageddon. Beliefs equate pornography, for they coexist on the web. There is no damn word god. Truth is physical, word a lie. It is what you do, not utter. Without deed, word starves. Word god lends not a hand.

For instance, the conservatives in this nation have came to the clear conclusion that the only long-term solution to the problem with Islamic radicalism.. is to stop the culture and situation that breeds it.
To institute a free democracy in Iraq, or any middle-eastern nation for that matter (it does not matter), is very capable of starting a domino effect across the middle east.

Something France and Germany would likely very much oppose, as they were in favorable condition with the previous murderous dictators.

There is no 1- corner god in 4-corner lifetime stages of human evolution metamorphosis ... wherein born baby dies to child, child dies to parent & parent dies to grand- parent corner. Adults evolve, not born. Singularity equates sex with the baby. Adult word worship is an evil adult scam. Burn the bible, honor Childhood via which adults evolve. Babble Power is suicidal.

Also, the liberals/democrats/leftists in America OF COURSE oppose the war, not matter WHAT the reason, no matter WHAT anyone does (no matter how correct the actions and intentions might be).. becuase its spreading freedom, liberty and democracy across the world.

They FEAR these things because Democracy is ran by a forum of ideas.
An arena they have proven to NOT be capable of competing in.
The only dominate in the arena of mass-TV media and HOLLYWOOD. Where in both areas they can slide in subversive dogma that is unseen to the untrained and uneducated eye.

My wisdom so antiquates known knowledge, that a psychiatrist examining my behavior, eccentric by his academic single corner knowledge, knows no course other than to judge me schizoprenic. In today's society of greed, men of word illusion are elected to lead and wise men are condemned. You must establish a Chair of Wisdom to empower Wise Men over the stupid intelligentsia, or perish.

When it comes to a real debate, when it comes to the facts.. they are no where to be found in society.
Hence Limbaugh, Hannity and the plethora of other talk radio hosts just like them dominate the airwaves.
Just as conservatives regularly dominate the NYT best sellers list.

As I illustrated above, they run off of platforms of divide and conquer.
Things such as liberal white guilt is used against the liberal fools. Reparations for slavery are used against blacks. Threats that some evil Republican is going to take away their social security is used against our elderly. And so on.

I am not allowed to lecture at the word animal academic institutions, for they fear my wisdom will expose and indict the pedant hirelings as betrayers of dumb-ass students - the dung heads who allow their freedom of speech to be suppressed without a whimper, unbelieveable. Word animals will feel the wrath of Cubic curse.

While Republicans wager that people should use the very freedoms they are allowed and encourage personal responsibility.. rather than government reliance and playing the blame game for eternity.

Its the conservatives, the people who go to work everyday, the people who have and are defended this nation that make it great.
Not the liberal who sits in his chair and watches as we bring democracy to the middle east (concurrently defeating Islamic radicalism at the same time).. the liberal who sits as we go to work everyday so he may recieve a free ride. The liberal who sits and watches as the conservatives enjoy and excel in this capitalist society.
The conservatives, the ones who promote family values.
Conservatives in America promote everything that is good and right about America as the liberals represent everything that is wrong.

YOU WERE TAUGHT THAT THE EARTH HAS ONLY ONE EQUATOR AS IF THE EARTH WAS FLAT. YOU WERE TAUGHT IGNORANCE

So what does Iraq have to do with terrorism? It has EVERYTHING to do with terrorism. Its the PERFECT starting point in a quest to stop Islamic radicalism once and for all.
The only long term solution. Funny, that John F'n Kerry has no other answers.. other than if elected to actually pretty much follow through with the plan.

Bring forth your god - and I will chase him off the Earth. Humans glorify word as god. In the beginning - was word. Word is counterfeit and evil. Evil word became your god.

Republicans Lead. The rest, follow. Its the reason why we control this country. It really is that simple.
I would and very well could be a Democrat, IF they'd LEAD and DO something.

In my short time on earth, all I've seen them capable of doing is complaining and carrying out witch-hunts...oops! I mean, "investigations".

Since this has turned into a nice rant, I'd like to note a piece of logic that seems to escape every liberals minds.

If Iraq has nothing to do with terrorists, then why are they so mad that we are there?
Doesnt seem to make sense. But then again, as I've illustrated the faulty politics of Left America they dont make much sense at all.

You were educated stupid and evil by evil educators. Do you enjoy being stupid?

Besides, who would OSAMA rather have President of the USA.. the puppet John Kerry who bows and crawls on his knees to special interest groups and their money.
Or the President, who has given in to NO ONE. Has kicked ass all over the middle east and has successfully accomplished the mission of implementing a democracy in Iraq.

Educated people are stupid cowards.

As John Kerrys friend Howard Dean said that SADDAM HUSSEIN was INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.. maybe OSAMA deserves such a right as well! Hey we dont REALLY know he did it.

The limp wristed liberals have no place in America at this point in history. Its time for the real leaders to take over.
We fixed Clintons recession. We fixed the USA's horrid national security state that Clinton left us. We've fixed Clintons decrepit and decayed military. We've been trying to keep the sanctity of marriage for a man and woman.
President Bush even tried to pass a permanent ban on broadband internet.. something that Democrats incessently want to get their greedy hands into taxing to spend inefficiently.

Media bastards betray life on Earth & ravages childhood. Chase the media liars from town, or be destroyed.

Proof is in the pudding, we RUN this place. And we're going to smash Flip-Flop Kerry this year. When hes in a statistical tie with Bush in CALIFORNIA at this point in the game.. its already over and going to be the biggest landslide since Mondale/Reagan.

The demos are just going to have to reform and become a party worth voting for again.. sadly, which hasnt happened since before they embraced the radical politics of the 60's "revolution".
You know, that hippy revolution of rich, dumb white kids who knew nothing about life and sent the colored man off to fight their war (again, no racism there). As they smoked pot and spit on them as they came back from defending their freedom to remain clueless.

Students have no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by word, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students the hippy revolution of rich, dumb white kids Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid professors who lie to you?

Remember it was a Democrat who sent everyone off to Vietnam and a Republican who got us out.

Did you see the movie Matrix? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced daytime "word world" enslavement of humans. Word has no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in commerce. Unfortunately,
human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "Word World", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit nation - which you could consider Matrix induced "Dream World".
Can you distinguish the academic induced "Word World" from the natural "Real World"? Beware of the change when your brain is free from induced"Word World" enslavement - for you could find that the natural "Real World" has been destroyed.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Honestly, since 9/11, consersatives have used the events of that day to try to spin it into a political platform. At first, people fell for it, mainly out of fear and disbelief. Now as time goes by and people learn a little more, calmer heads prevail and eventually the transparent tactics are seen through. Who would've thought two years ago that the Democrats would have anybody that would even REMOTELY come close to Dubs in the next election?

Lesson: Fear tactics and transparent platforms only last for so long. The conservatives' time is numbered.

 

[Edge3D]

LOL you guys are silly. See its the fact I'm right wing that makes you discount my post. If I was posting left wing drivel, as nearly all of you do.. I'd be treated neutrally or with praise.
Actually, if I was like one of you, my post would turn into one of your unproductive Bush-bashing fests.

Its the type of leftists that post here that are the reason why President Bush is going to defeat Kerry.
You guys cant get out of the mentality of hating Bush long enough to consider that he or the other conservatives that run this nation do things right, that you might be wrong in some things.

Let me recap history quickly..
The ironic part about it, as of late.. at least since the Carter administration its been the Democrats and the rest of the leftists that have bumbled everything they came across.

While Reagan fixed Carters horrible economy, created the largest economic boom in American history. Destroyed the evil empire singlehandedly. Then took the noble causes of the right-to-life movement under the Republicans wings.

See, here on the principled side of things we dont belive in things like stabbing babies in the head and sucking out their brains.
Clinton rode the economic boom that Reagan and Bush Sr created, then was NOT successful in taking 8 of the most prosperous years in American history and NOT eliminating our national debt!
When there was no better time to do so.
Clinton is responsible for destroying our national charisma. He made the ugly American ever more prevalent. He gave the Islamic world the perfect example of satanic behavior to base their hate for us on... cheating on his wife, selling out to China, lying under oath then being the 2nd President ever impeached.

Then after Clinton ruined everything conservatives had worked so hard to build.. 9/11 came and the terrorists thought we were all pussys like the weak spined Clinton.
But this just is not true, President Bush defended our nation and continues to do so. They never expected us to do what we did.

This nation is not made up of liberal pussys who wont fight for anything, not even their own freedom. They are miserable creatures. Thats who Al-Qaeda relies upon, and they are allies.
An enemy of your enemy is your friend right? Left America hates the America they live in. They have no problem throwing away their "womens rights", their supposed stance against genocide out the window to ally with Osama.
They want a weak socialist America. Not a strong capitalist nation where people get what they earn.
You know, the nation that people are FLOCKING to get into.

To bring this to a close, the left in America has made itself an irrelevant and pointless group. Its been that way for many years. Vote for an opponent of Bush if you think that homosexuals, minorities (supposedly STILL oppressed), the overblown case for the environment (in the cleanest, most efficient nation in the world), are more important than the safety of our nation and our honor.
They tossed their supposed principles out the window to join hands with Osama.

The simple problem is for liberals, that you are safer in war in Iraq than in Chicago under a Democrat.
President Bush has been a great success and is on his way to a place with FDR/Churchill/Lincoln. The hatred for him is par for the course right now.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
LOL you guys are silly. See its the fact I'm right wing that makes you discount my post. If I was posting left wing drivel, as nearly all of you do.. I'd be treated neutrally or with praise.
Actually, if I was like one of you, my post would turn into one of your unproductive Bush-bashing fests.

Its the type of leftists that post here that are the reason why President Bush is going to defeat Kerry.
You guys cant get out of the mentality of hating Bush long enough to consider that he or the other conservatives that run this nation do things right, that you might be wrong in some things.

Let me recap history quickly..
The ironic part about it, as of late.. at least since the Carter administration its been the Democrats and the rest of the leftists that have bumbled everything they came across.

While Reagan fixed Carters horrible economy, created the largest economic boom in American history. Destroyed the evil empire singlehandedly. Then took the noble causes of the right-to-life movement under the Republicans wings.

See, here on the principled side of things we dont belive in things like stabbing babies in the head and sucking out their brains.
Clinton rode the economic boom that Reagan and Bush Sr created, then was NOT successful in taking 8 of the most prosperous years in American history and NOT eliminating our national debt!
When there was no better time to do so.
Clinton is responsible for destroying our national charisma. He made the ugly American ever more prevalent. He gave the Islamic world the perfect example of satanic behavior to base their hate for us on... cheating on his wife, selling out to China, lying under oath then being the 2nd President ever impeached.

Then after Clinton ruined everything conservatives had worked so hard to build.. 9/11 came and the terrorists thought we were all pussys like the weak spined Clinton.
But this just is not true, President Bush defended our nation and continues to do so. They never expected us to do what we did.

This nation is not made up of liberal pussys who wont fight for anything, not even their own freedom. They are miserable creatures. Thats who Al-Qaeda relies upon, and they are allies.
An enemy of your enemy is your friend right? Left America hates the America they live in. They have no problem throwing away their "womens rights", their supposed stance against genocide out the window to ally with Osama.
They want a weak socialist America. Not a strong capitalist nation where people get what they earn.
You know, the nation that people are FLOCKING to get into.

To bring this to a close, the left in America has made itself an irrelevant and pointless group. Its been that way for many years. Vote for an opponent of Bush if you think that homosexuals, minorities (supposedly STILL oppressed), the overblown case for the environment (in the cleanest, most efficient nation in the world), are more important than the safety of our nation and our honor.
They tossed their supposed principles out the window to join hands with Osama.

The simple problem is for liberals, that you are safer in war in Iraq than in Chicago under a Democrat.
President Bush has been a great success and is on his way to a place with FDR/Churchill/Lincoln. The hatred for him is par for the course right now.

That's just too rich. Comparing GWB with FDR, Churchill and Lincoln. You sir have Reaganesquely singlehandedly flushed all credibility of your post down the toilet. Liking Bush is one thing and I can respect that, but deifying the man is just plain silly.

 

[conjur]

Well, it's official, Edge3D is another piss-ant, teenage troll like Passions.

Just another dweeb to ignore from now on.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
LOL you guys are silly. See its the fact I'm right wing that makes you discount my post. If I was posting left wing drivel, as nearly all of you do.. I'd be treated neutrally or with praise.
Actually, if I was like one of you, my post would turn into one of your unproductive Bush-bashing fests.

Its the type of leftists that post here that are the reason why President Bush is going to defeat Kerry.
You guys cant get out of the mentality of hating Bush long enough to consider that he or the other conservatives that run this nation do things right, that you might be wrong in some things.

Let me recap history quickly..
The ironic part about it, as of late.. at least since the Carter administration its been the Democrats and the rest of the leftists that have bumbled everything they came across.

While Reagan fixed Carters horrible economy, created the largest economic boom in American history. Destroyed the evil empire singlehandedly. Then took the noble causes of the right-to-life movement under the Republicans wings.

See, here on the principled side of things we dont belive in things like stabbing babies in the head and sucking out their brains.
Clinton rode the economic boom that Reagan and Bush Sr created, then was NOT successful in taking 8 of the most prosperous years in American history and NOT eliminating our national debt!
When there was no better time to do so.
Clinton is responsible for destroying our national charisma. He made the ugly American ever more prevalent. He gave the Islamic world the perfect example of satanic behavior to base their hate for us on... cheating on his wife, selling out to China, lying under oath then being the 2nd President ever impeached.

Then after Clinton ruined everything conservatives had worked so hard to build.. 9/11 came and the terrorists thought we were all pussys like the weak spined Clinton.
But this just is not true, President Bush defended our nation and continues to do so. They never expected us to do what we did.

This nation is not made up of liberal pussys who wont fight for anything, not even their own freedom. They are miserable creatures. Thats who Al-Qaeda relies upon, and they are allies.
An enemy of your enemy is your friend right? Left America hates the America they live in. They have no problem throwing away their "womens rights", their supposed stance against genocide out the window to ally with Osama.
They want a weak socialist America. Not a strong capitalist nation where people get what they earn.
You know, the nation that people are FLOCKING to get into.

To bring this to a close, the left in America has made itself an irrelevant and pointless group. Its been that way for many years. Vote for an opponent of Bush if you think that homosexuals, minorities (supposedly STILL oppressed), the overblown case for the environment (in the cleanest, most efficient nation in the world), are more important than the safety of our nation and our honor.
They tossed their supposed principles out the window to join hands with Osama.

The simple problem is for liberals, that you are safer in war in Iraq than in Chicago under a Democrat.
President Bush has been a great success and is on his way to a place with FDR/Churchill/Lincoln. The hatred for him is par for the course right now.

Now you completely changed focus, as you always do.

Troll, troll, troll your boat...

 

[Edge3D]

Because I'm serving you ownage conjur. When the debate starts, the socialist scumbags run.
They are better placed in Hollywood, where they can live in a fantasy land forever.. and within the delusions of the media.

As far as logic goes, conservatives have it all. Hence, we run this country.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Simple put Edge3D, your post just does not deliver.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Well, since Lonyo has done a good deconstruction of a silly diatribe, all I can say about the original poster is I hope he never gets hold of anything sharper than a spork.

No doubt Edge3D is another Liberal posting as a Conservative to try and make all Conservatives look foolish

If that was true, then it might be funny.
If he's serious (and Passions too) than it's really sad. Someone let them borrow a couple of brain cells for a few minutes.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
Because I'm serving you ownage conjur. When the debate starts, the socialist scumbags run.
They are better placed in Hollywood, where they can live in a fantasy land forever.. and within the delusions of the media.

As far as logic goes, conservatives have it all. Hence, we run this country.

Settle Down Beavis, even the Conservatives who are members of this forum are doing their best to distance themselves from you and your irrational rants.

 

[Ldir]

This is your brain.


This is your brain on drugs:

Originally posted by: Edge3D
Because I'm serving you ownage conjur. When the debate starts, the socialist scumbags run.
They are better placed in Hollywood, where they can live in a fantasy land forever.. and within the delusions of the media.

As far as logic goes, conservatives have it all. Hence, we run this country.

Any questions?

 

[Edge3D]

I dont give a damn who distances from me. I'd go up against these anti-American dirtbags myself. I have my own way of putting things, very bluntly and in ways that even a liberal can understand.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
I dont give a damn who distances from me. I'd go up against these anti-American dirtbags myself. I have my own way of putting things, very bluntly and in ways that even a liberal can understand.

You give yourself to much credit. Most peopole could care less what some snot nosed Pimple Farming Kiddie Gamer has to say. This isn't UT2K4 Puddin Head, your rants from behind the anonymity of your Mothers Computer doesn't impress anybody.

 

[Edge3D]

And if you had the nuts to say the things you do in public you'd have a Vietnam Vets foot in your ass pal.
You wouldnt last two minutes spouting your anti-American drivel around the Vietnam vets I grew up around.

 

[naddicott]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
LOL you guys are silly.
...
[rest has been requoted a few times already]

I could take a database of quotes from speeches given at Republican fundraisers, write a script to choose them at random and piece them together, and I could make a post as coherent and relevent to the thread topic as the post Edge3D just made. Probably more so.

Only thing about speakers at Republican fundraisers is they're "preaching to the choir". If you're really trying to put together arguments "that even liberals can understand" I would reccomend updating your random selection of statements with things that Republicans say to reporters and on political discussion shows (TV/Radio) where the moderators call BS from either side (i.e. not Hannity).

You would have more luck getting a liberal to concede a point or two (such things happen on occasion on the aforementioned shows - less so here, but I'd write that up to a lack of respect shown by both sides) by discussing the issues at hand rather than irellivant asserstions intended to deify Reagan and Bush1/2 and demonstrate your intellectual l33tness.

If you want a point by point refutation of some of that BS - either post them up as new individual threads, or just do a search for past threads on those topics and read.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
I dont give a damn who distances from me. I'd go up against these anti-American dirtbags myself. I have my own way of putting things, very bluntly and in ways that even a liberal can understand.

Not very bluntly, just the inane rantings of a little coward.

Sign up, big boy, why wait for the draft? Didn't you say you would be the first to go, so go then. There is a need right now.

Of course, you couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag but you would spend all day arguing with it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
And if you had the nuts to say the things you do in public you'd have a Vietnam Vets foot in your ass pal.
You wouldnt last two minutes spouting your anti-American drivel around the Vietnam vets I grew up around.

First of all the Viet Nam Vets you speak of are of my generation therefore I am sure that I know many more than you. I speak my mind and I have never had a problem with any of them. Secondly I've never spoke bad about the soldiers who fought there, only of the Politicians from both parties who sent them there. Last but not least I fail to see where I said anything unAmerican unless you call an astute description of your person as unAmerican.

 

[Edge3D]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Edge3D
I dont give a damn who distances from me. I'd go up against these anti-American dirtbags myself. I have my own way of putting things, very bluntly and in ways that even a liberal can understand.

Not very bluntly, just the inane rantings of a little coward.

Sign up, big boy, why wait for the draft? Didn't you say you would be the first to go, so go then. There is a need right now.

Of course, you couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag but you would spend all day arguing with it.

YOU arent even American! Why are you even in the conversation! LOL, you self-rightous Euro types amaze me how you think you know, or understand American politics at all.

Dont worry, I'm working for the cause and if my nation still needs me after I graduate from college, I will be signing up. I assure you.
Your words dont smear the person that I am, or the morals, beliefs and principles that I live by.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Edge3D

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Edge3D
I dont give a damn who distances from me. I'd go up against these anti-American dirtbags myself. I have my own way of putting things, very bluntly and in ways that even a liberal can understand.

Not very bluntly, just the inane rantings of a little coward.

Sign up, big boy, why wait for the draft? Didn't you say you would be the first to go, so go then. There is a need right now.

Of course, you couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag but you would spend all day arguing with it.

YOU arent even American! Why are you even in the conversation! LOL, you self-rightous Euro types amaze me how you think you know, or understand American politics at all.

Dont worry, I'm working for the cause and if my nation still needs me after I graduate from college, I will be signing up. I assure you.
Your words dont smear the person that I am, or the morals, beliefs and principles that I live by.

No, i am not an American, but i am a NATO soldier and i was in Afghanistan.

Doesn't that suck, a German a-hole like me has done more for your country than you ever will?

I don't think you will ever sign up, being big behind a keyboard is all you're good at, everyone can see that and that is why you get the responses you are getting.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Look here little EdgeBoy,
A couple weeks ago you made a comment about your dad being a 'Nam Vet,
and that you knew some other 'Nam Vets.

That, by association, doesn't make YOU a 'Nam Vet.

You come into this forum and spew childish simplistic things that you obviously don't understand, probably because you heard an adult say something that sounded remotely like what you think that you heard someone say, or believe that they would have said if they were talking to you, but weren't.

You are not in the service, have no intents of joining, nor of fighting for your county.
You have insulted several actual American Vetrans, and are now insulting foriegn service personel.

I think that your signature pretty sums up you and your mentality:
"UT2K4. Best. Game. EVER!"
That's about as far as you'll get in combat situations, a stupid video game.
The consequences of War are not something that you can re-set with a button on a video game.

This last weekend was a tribute to American War Vetrans, some dead, some alive, but all served.
Now - those who are still alive, be it from WWI, WWII, Korea, 'Nam, Gulf-1, or now G-2,
have their individual memories - and ghosts - to live with and contend to.
I know very few from my generation that feel free to discuss events and other things that
occured as long as 35 years ago with people in the general public, few will even discuss at
length things that happened with their immediate families.
Even the conversations between Vetrans with one another are guarded in emotional omissions.
There is a chasm between 'Fact' and 'Verbal Truth' that is not open to the outsiders.

Hold your tounge boy, you are an outsider.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Edge3D

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Edge3D
I dont give a damn who distances from me. I'd go up against these anti-American dirtbags myself. I have my own way of putting things, very bluntly and in ways that even a liberal can understand.

Not very bluntly, just the inane rantings of a little coward.

Sign up, big boy, why wait for the draft? Didn't you say you would be the first to go, so go then. There is a need right now.

Of course, you couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag but you would spend all day arguing with it.

YOU arent even American! Why are you even in the conversation! LOL, you self-rightous Euro types amaze me how you think you know, or understand American politics at all.

Dont worry, I'm working for the cause and if my nation still needs me after I graduate from college, I will be signing up. I assure you.
Your words dont smear the person that I am, or the morals, beliefs and principles that I live by.

No, i am not an American, but i am a NATO soldier and i was in Afghanistan.

Doesn't that suck, a German a-hole like me has done more for your country than you ever will?

I don't think you will ever sign up, being big behind a keyboard is all you're good at, everyone can see that and that is why you get the responses you are getting.

PWN3D!!

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Edge3D

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Edge3D
I dont give a damn who distances from me. I'd go up against these anti-American dirtbags myself. I have my own way of putting things, very bluntly and in ways that even a liberal can understand.

Not very bluntly, just the inane rantings of a little coward.

Sign up, big boy, why wait for the draft? Didn't you say you would be the first to go, so go then. There is a need right now.

Of course, you couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag but you would spend all day arguing with it.

YOU arent even American! Why are you even in the conversation! LOL, you self-rightous Euro types amaze me how you think you know, or understand American politics at all.

Dont worry, I'm working for the cause and if my nation still needs me after I graduate from college, I will be signing up. I assure you.
Your words dont smear the person that I am, or the morals, beliefs and principles that I live by.

No, i am not an American, but i am a NATO soldier and i was in Afghanistan.

Doesn't that suck, a German a-hole like me has done more for your country than you ever will?

I don't think you will ever sign up, being big behind a keyboard is all you're good at, everyone can see that and that is why you get the responses you are getting.

PWN3D!!

LMFAO....that's brilliant.

 

[leeboy]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Well, since Lonyo has done a good deconstruction of a silly diatribe, all I can say about the original poster is I hope he never gets hold of anything sharper than a spork.

LMMFAO! Cheers! :beer:

What a waste of cut and paste Edge. You have lost yours if you ever had one.

PPPPPPPPPPPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
:roll:

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
What does Iraq have to do with terrorism?
Usually a question coming from one who is not capable of learning from history, nor that understands that Freedom is Not Free, would usually ask.

In case you happen to be one of those, I'll tell you.
First, remember that Saddam Hussein financially funded and encouraged radical Islamic suicide bombing. He has allied and aligned himself with those groups such as Al Qaeda, so we know he was involved in such activity.

Second, the pre-war intelligence. The intelligence that Saddam had WMDs.. the intelligence that Clinton and Kerry both believed and Kerry even voted to initiate a WAR from! How irresponsible of him. Tisk-tisk.
Come my liberal friends, lets hold the fire to his feet.. because WAR has NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING!
Well, at least.. the wars this country has waged that have crushed socialism and communism across the globe..
No WONDER they hate America! We put down oppressive governments and dictatorships.
That would explain their love for Fidel Castro as well!

Oh, and forget women's rights in Iraq and the middle-east.. thats only for rich, white AMERICAN women!
Way to hold people down liberals! No racism there!

See, the thing is that leftists dont REALLY have any conviction, dont REALLY have any principles of "peace/love/tolerance". They dont believe in anything, not womens rights, not a strong black America.. nothing.
All their policies (more like reaction to conservative initiatives), are really just divisive and pits one American against another.. "fear politics" to scare votes of blacks/whites/asians/hispanics/the elderly to maintain power.
There is no real conviction underneath it all, or they'd be for heading to the middle east.. and freeing these poor people from the shackles of oppression.

I forgot, they dont do such a thing unless a Democrat is in office. Their "conviction" and beliefs stop right there.


Back on topic, its the average conservatives more intellectual nature to think things through.. to understand concepts that liberals would rather not think about because it goes against their politics to admit the truth in many matters in which they are wrong in.

For instance, the conservatives in this nation have came to the clear conclusion that the only long-term solution to the problem with Islamic radicalism.. is to stop the culture and situation that breeds it.
To institute a free democracy in Iraq, or any middle-eastern nation for that matter (it does not matter), is very capable of starting a domino effect across the middle east.

Something France and Germany would likely very much oppose, as they were in favorable condition with the previous murderous dictators.
Also, the liberals/democrats/leftists in America OF COURSE oppose the war, not matter WHAT the reason, no matter WHAT anyone does (no matter how correct the actions and intentions might be).. becuase its spreading freedom, liberty and democracy across the world.

They FEAR these things because Democracy is ran by a forum of ideas.
An arena they have proven to NOT be capable of competing in.
The only dominate in the arena of mass-TV media and HOLLYWOOD. Where in both areas they can slide in subversive dogma that is unseen to the untrained and uneducated eye.

When it comes to a real debate, when it comes to the facts.. they are no where to be found in society.
Hence Limbaugh, Hannity and the plethora of other talk radio hosts just like them dominate the airwaves.
Just as conservatives regularly dominate the NYT best sellers list.

As I illustrated above, they run off of platforms of divide and conquer.
Things such as liberal white guilt is used against the liberal fools. Reparations for slavery are used against blacks. Threats that some evil Republican is going to take away their social security is used against our elderly. And so on.

While Republicans wager that people should use the very freedoms they are allowed and encourage personal responsibility.. rather than government reliance and playing the blame game for eternity.

Its the conservatives, the people who go to work everyday, the people who have and are defended this nation that make it great.
Not the liberal who sits in his chair and watches as we bring democracy to the middle east (concurrently defeating Islamic radicalism at the same time).. the liberal who sits as we go to work everyday so he may recieve a free ride. The liberal who sits and watches as the conservatives enjoy and excel in this capitalist society.
The conservatives, the ones who promote family values.
Conservatives in America promote everything that is good and right about America as the liberals represent everything that is wrong.

So what does Iraq have to do with terrorism? It has EVERYTHING to do with terrorism. Its the PERFECT starting point in a quest to stop Islamic radicalism once and for all.
The only long term solution. Funny, that John F'n Kerry has no other answers.. other than if elected to actually pretty much follow through with the plan.

Republicans Lead. The rest, follow. Its the reason why we control this country. It really is that simple.
I would and very well could be a Democrat, IF they'd LEAD and DO something.

In my short time on earth, all I've seen them capable of doing is complaining and carrying out witch-hunts...oops! I mean, "investigations".

Since this has turned into a nice rant, I'd like to note a piece of logic that seems to escape every liberals minds.

If Iraq has nothing to do with terrorists, then why are they so mad that we are there?
Doesnt seem to make sense. But then again, as I've illustrated the faulty politics of Left America they dont make much sense at all.

Besides, who would OSAMA rather have President of the USA.. the puppet John Kerry who bows and crawls on his knees to special interest groups and their money.
Or the President, who has given in to NO ONE. Has kicked ass all over the middle east and has successfully accomplished the mission of implementing a democracy in Iraq.

As John Kerrys friend Howard Dean said that SADDAM HUSSEIN was INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.. maybe OSAMA deserves such a right as well! Hey we dont REALLY know he did it.

The limp wristed liberals have no place in America at this point in history. Its time for the real leaders to take over.
We fixed Clintons recession. We fixed the USA's horrid national security state that Clinton left us. We've fixed Clintons decrepit and decayed military. We've been trying to keep the sanctity of marriage for a man and woman.
President Bush even tried to pass a permanent ban on broadband internet.. something that Democrats incessently want to get their greedy hands into taxing to spend inefficiently.

Proof is in the pudding, we RUN this place. And we're going to smash Flip-Flop Kerry this year. When hes in a statistical tie with Bush in CALIFORNIA at this point in the game.. its already over and going to be the biggest landslide since Mondale/Reagan.

The demos are just going to have to reform and become a party worth voting for again.. sadly, which hasnt happened since before they embraced the radical politics of the 60's "revolution".
You know, that hippy revolution of rich, dumb white kids who knew nothing about life and sent the colored man off to fight their war (again, no racism there). As they smoked pot and spit on them as they came back from defending their freedom to remain clueless.

Remember it was a Democrat who sent everyone off to Vietnam and a Republican who got us out.

Peace, love, understanding my liberal friends!

I'll leave you with a few quotes.

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
John Stuart Mill

And Einstein has a few words for all you liberal "Einsteins" out there!

?The world is too dangerous to live in - not because of the people who do evil, but because of the people who sit and let it happen.? - Albert Einstein

motion for ban........

Edge3D somehow thinks he's "owning" people by posting complete BS without any proof. Seems to me whenever he gets done serving the "ownage" in UT2K4 he gets another juicebox and comes to ATP&N to make disjointed posts that blindly support Bush and wildly bash liberals. I'd be suprised if Edge3D knew anything about liberals other than the fact they "hate America" :roll:

Lonyo, conjur, glaHHg and everyone else, thanks for taking the time to refute Edge3D's unfounded posts. Quite frankly, I wouldn't have the patience