Iraq has everything to do with terrorism

[Edge3D]

What does Iraq have to do with terrorism?
Usually a question coming from one who is not capable of learning from history, nor that understands that Freedom is Not Free, would usually ask.

In case you happen to be one of those, I'll tell you.
First, remember that Saddam Hussein financially funded and encouraged radical Islamic suicide bombing. He has allied and aligned himself with those groups such as Al Qaeda, so we know he was involved in such activity.

Second, the pre-war intelligence. The intelligence that Saddam had WMDs.. the intelligence that Clinton and Kerry both believed and Kerry even voted to initiate a WAR from! How irresponsible of him. Tisk-tisk.
Come my liberal friends, lets hold the fire to his feet.. because WAR has NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING!
Well, at least.. the wars this country has waged that have crushed socialism and communism across the globe..
No WONDER they hate America! We put down oppressive governments and dictatorships.
That would explain their love for Fidel Castro as well!

Oh, and forget women's rights in Iraq and the middle-east.. thats only for rich, white AMERICAN women!
Way to hold people down liberals! No racism there!

See, the thing is that leftists dont REALLY have any conviction, dont REALLY have any principles of "peace/love/tolerance". They dont believe in anything, not womens rights, not a strong black America.. nothing.
All their policies (more like reaction to conservative initiatives), are really just divisive and pits one American against another.. "fear politics" to scare votes of blacks/whites/asians/hispanics/the elderly to maintain power.
There is no real conviction underneath it all, or they'd be for heading to the middle east.. and freeing these poor people from the shackles of oppression.

I forgot, they dont do such a thing unless a Democrat is in office. Their "conviction" and beliefs stop right there.


Back on topic, its the average conservatives more intellectual nature to think things through.. to understand concepts that liberals would rather not think about because it goes against their politics to admit the truth in many matters in which they are wrong in.

For instance, the conservatives in this nation have came to the clear conclusion that the only long-term solution to the problem with Islamic radicalism.. is to stop the culture and situation that breeds it.
To institute a free democracy in Iraq, or any middle-eastern nation for that matter (it does not matter), is very capable of starting a domino effect across the middle east.

Something France and Germany would likely very much oppose, as they were in favorable condition with the previous murderous dictators.
Also, the liberals/democrats/leftists in America OF COURSE oppose the war, not matter WHAT the reason, no matter WHAT anyone does (no matter how correct the actions and intentions might be).. becuase its spreading freedom, liberty and democracy across the world.

They FEAR these things because Democracy is ran by a forum of ideas.
An arena they have proven to NOT be capable of competing in.
The only dominate in the arena of mass-TV media and HOLLYWOOD. Where in both areas they can slide in subversive dogma that is unseen to the untrained and uneducated eye.

When it comes to a real debate, when it comes to the facts.. they are no where to be found in society.
Hence Limbaugh, Hannity and the plethora of other talk radio hosts just like them dominate the airwaves.
Just as conservatives regularly dominate the NYT best sellers list.

As I illustrated above, they run off of platforms of divide and conquer.
Things such as liberal white guilt is used against the liberal fools. Reparations for slavery are used against blacks. Threats that some evil Republican is going to take away their social security is used against our elderly. And so on.

While Republicans wager that people should use the very freedoms they are allowed and encourage personal responsibility.. rather than government reliance and playing the blame game for eternity.

Its the conservatives, the people who go to work everyday, the people who have and are defended this nation that make it great.
Not the liberal who sits in his chair and watches as we bring democracy to the middle east (concurrently defeating Islamic radicalism at the same time).. the liberal who sits as we go to work everyday so he may recieve a free ride. The liberal who sits and watches as the conservatives enjoy and excel in this capitalist society.
The conservatives, the ones who promote family values.
Conservatives in America promote everything that is good and right about America as the liberals represent everything that is wrong.

So what does Iraq have to do with terrorism? It has EVERYTHING to do with terrorism. Its the PERFECT starting point in a quest to stop Islamic radicalism once and for all.
The only long term solution. Funny, that John F'n Kerry has no other answers.. other than if elected to actually pretty much follow through with the plan.

Republicans Lead. The rest, follow. Its the reason why we control this country. It really is that simple.
I would and very well could be a Democrat, IF they'd LEAD and DO something.

In my short time on earth, all I've seen them capable of doing is complaining and carrying out witch-hunts...oops! I mean, "investigations".

Since this has turned into a nice rant, I'd like to note a piece of logic that seems to escape every liberals minds.

If Iraq has nothing to do with terrorists, then why are they so mad that we are there?
Doesnt seem to make sense. But then again, as I've illustrated the faulty politics of Left America they dont make much sense at all.

Besides, who would OSAMA rather have President of the USA.. the puppet John Kerry who bows and crawls on his knees to special interest groups and their money.
Or the President, who has given in to NO ONE. Has kicked ass all over the middle east and has successfully accomplished the mission of implementing a democracy in Iraq.

As John Kerrys friend Howard Dean said that SADDAM HUSSEIN was INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.. maybe OSAMA deserves such a right as well! Hey we dont REALLY know he did it.

The limp wristed liberals have no place in America at this point in history. Its time for the real leaders to take over.
We fixed Clintons recession. We fixed the USA's horrid national security state that Clinton left us. We've fixed Clintons decrepit and decayed military. We've been trying to keep the sanctity of marriage for a man and woman.
President Bush even tried to pass a permanent ban on broadband internet.. something that Democrats incessently want to get their greedy hands into taxing to spend inefficiently.

Proof is in the pudding, we RUN this place. And we're going to smash Flip-Flop Kerry this year. When hes in a statistical tie with Bush in CALIFORNIA at this point in the game.. its already over and going to be the biggest landslide since Mondale/Reagan.

The demos are just going to have to reform and become a party worth voting for again.. sadly, which hasnt happened since before they embraced the radical politics of the 60's "revolution".
You know, that hippy revolution of rich, dumb white kids who knew nothing about life and sent the colored man off to fight their war (again, no racism there). As they smoked pot and spit on them as they came back from defending their freedom to remain clueless.

Remember it was a Democrat who sent everyone off to Vietnam and a Republican who got us out.

Peace, love, understanding my liberal friends!

I'll leave you with a few quotes.

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
John Stuart Mill

And Einstein has a few words for all you liberal "Einsteins" out there!

?The world is too dangerous to live in - not because of the people who do evil, but because of the people who sit and let it happen.? - Albert Einstein

 

[Czar]

He has allied and aligned himself with those groups such as Al Qaeda, so we know he was involved in such activity.

source?

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Czar

He has allied and aligned himself with those groups such as Al Qaeda, so we know he was involved in such activity.

source?

I think he's saying Saddam associates himself with Palestinian terrorists groups like Hamas because he paid money to families of suicide bombers. And because he's aligned himself with Palestinian terrorists he is associated with other terrorists groups like Al Qaeda....I think thats what he's saying. Some of what he ranted didn't make complete sense.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Czar

He has allied and aligned himself with those groups such as Al Qaeda, so we know he was involved in such activity.

source?

I think he's saying Saddam associates himself with Palestinian terrorists groups like Hamas because he paid money to families of suicide bombers. And because he's aligned himself with Palestinian terrorists he is associated with other terrorists groups like Al Qaeda....I think thats what he's saying. Some of what he ranted didn't make complete sense.

how can he have allied and aligned himself with Al Qaeda that way? just doesnt make sense

 

[NightCrawler]

Saddam sucked it's true but we also see that most of his people are crazy intolerant religious nazi's. I really doubt Democracy will survive there unless some of the tougher people lay down the law and tell the jihadist that their holy war is over.

 

[Edge3D]

If you dont get the point Czar, thats fine.
I'm not going to argue semantics. But technically, allied COULD be taken out of that sentence. But aligned is undoubtably true.

Allied/aligned.. really make no difference in my mind. But one of those terms would have been enough.

Sorry for your, confusion..

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Czar

He has allied and aligned himself with those groups such as Al Qaeda, so we know he was involved in such activity.

source?

I think he's saying Saddam associates himself with Palestinian terrorists groups like Hamas because he paid money to families of suicide bombers. And because he's aligned himself with Palestinian terrorists he is associated with other terrorists groups like Al Qaeda....I think thats what he's saying. Some of what he ranted didn't make complete sense.

how can he have allied and aligned himself with Al Qaeda that way? just doesnt make sense

its an indirect association, don't think of direct allied, alignment. I'm not sure how to say it because its a strange form of logic. If he associates himself with one terrorist group then he's associated with Terrorism which Al Qaeda is also associated with. Sorry, can't really explain it well. He's more saying saddam is involved in terrorism than saying he's aligned with Al Qaeda

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Czar

He has allied and aligned himself with those groups such as Al Qaeda, so we know he was involved in such activity.

source?

I think he's saying Saddam associates himself with Palestinian terrorists groups like Hamas because he paid money to families of suicide bombers. And because he's aligned himself with Palestinian terrorists he is associated with other terrorists groups like Al Qaeda....I think thats what he's saying. Some of what he ranted didn't make complete sense.

how can he have allied and aligned himself with Al Qaeda that way? just doesnt make sense

its an indirect association, don't think of direct allied, alignment. I'm not sure how to say it because its a strange form of logic. If he associates himself with one terrorist group then he's associated with Terrorism which Al Qaeda is also associated with. Sorry, can't really explain it well. He's more saying saddam is involved in terrorism than saying he's aligned with Al Qaeda

but his words are "allied and aligned" with Al Qaeda, and the only connection is to the palestinians who in most arabs eyes are freedom fighters and not terrorists

 

[sandorski]

Iraq had nothing to do with Terrorism. It was the WMD, err Saddam was bad, remember?

Sorry, it doesn't matter how long a post you make, it is false.

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Iraq had nothing to do with Terrorism. It was the WMD, err Saddam was bad, remember?

Sorry, it doesn't matter how long a post you make, it is false.

You mean it's your opinion that it is false. Nobody really knows for sure what Saddam was up to exactly. He might have giving aid or technical help in certain terrorist attacks.

Only Saddams really knows and he is not talking.

 

[Edge3D]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Iraq had nothing to do with Terrorism. It was the WMD, err Saddam was bad, remember?

Sorry, it doesn't matter how long a post you make, it is false.

On the flipside.. no matter how short of a reply you produce, it does not mean that is all that is needed to disprove my ideas and theories.

As it stands, I have layed out the case why Iraq has everything to do with terrorism.. while your posts offers nothing to denouce that other than a short quip.

It has nothing to do with the length of the post as you would believe. But rather the content.
Mine was rich and full of content, ideas and even some quotes that follow my chosen doctrine.

Your post, on the other hand, offers none of this.
Point made, proven and done.

 

[Steeplerot]

Quote:
We put down oppressive governments and dictatorships.

How have We put down oppressive governments and dictatorships? More like we fill the world with them: For example Osama and Saddam to name just a few. Communism? We lost Vietnam, Stalemated NK, Castro is STILL alive. China is Commie. We lost WW2 to Commies who overrun half of Europe. This post is full of half-truths, you may want to read some history.
BTW you can not change anyones culture. Can't be done. Muslims, extremist or not. Muslims are here to stay if we were not in their buisness they wouldn't blow people up.
Only way to change another cultures is: *Drum roll* genocide! yes, and if we do that we are no better then them.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
What does Iraq have to do with terrorism?
Usually a question coming from one who is not capable of learning from history, nor that understands that Freedom is Not Free, would usually ask.

So, you start off with a personal attack.

In case you happen to be one of those, I'll tell you.
First, remember that Saddam Hussein financially funded and encouraged radical Islamic suicide bombing. He has allied and aligned himself with those groups such as Al Qaeda, so we know he was involved in such activity.

Then you make a big leap, as has been discussed, and say Saddam supports all terrorists because he gives money to the opressed Palestinian suicide bombers families.

Second, the pre-war intelligence. The intelligence that Saddam had WMDs.. the intelligence that Clinton and Kerry both believed and Kerry even voted to initiate a WAR from! How irresponsible of him. Tisk-tisk.
Come my liberal friends, lets hold the fire to his feet.. because WAR has NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING!
Well, at least.. the wars this country has waged that have crushed socialism and communism across the globe..
No WONDER they hate America! We put down oppressive governments and dictatorships.
That would explain their love for Fidel Castro as well!

Then you say that socialism and communism have been crushed, yet forget China, and say that because som epeople believed purportedly false evidence it was OK to go to war.
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
As for "War has never solved anything", has it reduced terrorism at the moment (serious question), and what about the Spain terrorist attacks it invited to occur?

Oh, and forget women's rights in Iraq and the middle-east.. thats only for rich, white AMERICAN women!
Way to hold people down liberals! No racism there!

What does this have to do with terrorism? This is a totally irrelevant point made to try and incite emotional support for your argument.

See, the thing is that leftists dont REALLY have any conviction, dont REALLY have any principles of "peace/love/tolerance". They dont believe in anything, not womens rights, not a strong black America.. nothing.
All their policies (more like reaction to conservative initiatives), are really just divisive and pits one American against another.. "fear politics" to scare votes of blacks/whites/asians/hispanics/the elderly to maintain power.
There is no real conviction underneath it all, or they'd be for heading to the middle east.. and freeing these poor people from the shackles of oppression.

Again, off topic, and you say that we have gone and freed the middle east, yet forget there are many countries in the middle east that are not free, and there are many other countries in the world that aren't in the middle east that are also not free.
But you have to start somewhere, right? And why not start in Iraq?
But why start in Iraq, when the WMD evidence was tentative, and there were other more serious supporters of terrorism?

I forgot, they dont do such a thing unless a Democrat is in office. Their "conviction" and beliefs stop right there.

Irrelevant personal attack, totally useless in supporting the original point.

Back on topic, its the average conservatives more intellectual nature to think things through.. to understand concepts that liberals would rather not think about because it goes against their politics to admit the truth in many matters in which they are wrong in.

So Kerry flip-flops when he changes his mind about things (presumably having been wrong in the first place) and is berated for it, yet Liberals (of which I assume he is one) don't admit their mistakes?
And the republicans/conservatives are so much better?

For instance, the conservatives in this nation have came to the clear conclusion that the only long-term solution to the problem with Islamic radicalism.. is to stop the culture and situation that breeds it.
To institute a free democracy in Iraq, or any middle-eastern nation for that matter (it does not matter), is very capable of starting a domino effect across the middle east.

Something France and Germany would likely very much oppose, as they were in favorable condition with the previous murderous dictators.

So the answer is to free the people, and stop a culture.
So what are the people free to do? What they are told to do?

Also, the liberals/democrats/leftists in America OF COURSE oppose the war, not matter WHAT the reason, no matter WHAT anyone does (no matter how correct the actions and intentions might be).. becuase its spreading freedom, liberty and democracy across the world.

They FEAR these things because Democracy is ran by a forum of ideas.
An arena they have proven to NOT be capable of competing in.
The only dominate in the arena of mass-TV media and HOLLYWOOD. Where in both areas they can slide in subversive dogma that is unseen to the untrained and uneducated eye.

Again, freedom, but limiting the culture people can be a part of.
And yet another irrelevant point. What does Hollywood, or liberals ability to control the media have to do with Iraq and terrorism (or at least its support for terrorism)?

When it comes to a real debate, when it comes to the facts.. they are no where to be found in society.
Hence Limbaugh, Hannity and the plethora of other talk radio hosts just like them dominate the airwaves.
Just as conservatives regularly dominate the NYT best sellers list.

As I illustrated above, they run off of platforms of divide and conquer.
Things such as liberal white guilt is used against the liberal fools. Reparations for slavery are used against blacks. Threats that some evil Republican is going to take away their social security is used against our elderly. And so on.

Divide and conquer?
That's funny, since you seem to have attacked various areas with no relevance to your original thoughts about Iraq and terrorism. You of course stick to one thing.

While Republicans wager that people should use the very freedoms they are allowed and encourage personal responsibility.. rather than government reliance and playing the blame game for eternity.

Its the conservatives, the people who go to work everyday, the people who have and are defended this nation that make it great.
Not the liberal who sits in his chair and watches as we bring democracy to the middle east (concurrently defeating Islamic radicalism at the same time).. the liberal who sits as we go to work everyday so he may recieve a free ride. The liberal who sits and watches as the conservatives enjoy and excel in this capitalist society.
The conservatives, the ones who promote family values.
Conservatives in America promote everything that is good and right about America as the liberals represent everything that is wrong.

Wow.
That's quite a big statement.
Liberals are all wrong and bad, and conservatives can do no wrong.
What an unbiased piece of writing you have there, with no personal attacks or retarded generalisations AT ALL! I'm impressed.
Oh, and no assumptions either

So what does Iraq have to do with terrorism? It has EVERYTHING to do with terrorism. Its the PERFECT starting point in a quest to stop Islamic radicalism once and for all.
The only long term solution. Funny, that John F'n Kerry has no other answers.. other than if elected to actually pretty much follow through with the plan.

Is there evidence to support the claim that it is the perfect starting point?

Republicans Lead. The rest, follow. Its the reason why we control this country. It really is that simple.
I would and very well could be a Democrat, IF they'd LEAD and DO something.

In my short time on earth, all I've seen them capable of doing is complaining and carrying out witch-hunts...oops! I mean, "investigations".

Since this has turned into a nice rant, I'd like to note a piece of logic that seems to escape every liberals minds.

If Iraq has nothing to do with terrorists, then why are they so mad that we are there?
Doesnt seem to make sense. But then again, as I've illustrated the faulty politics of Left America they dont make much sense at all.

Maybe they're mad because you're trying to take away their culture, you've destroyed their jobs, you've killed many of them who were innocent, you feel like occupiers and oppressors, they might not know what this big plan is either.

Besides, who would OSAMA rather have President of the USA.. the puppet John Kerry who bows and crawls on his knees to special interest groups and their money.
Or the President, who has given in to NO ONE. Has kicked ass all over the middle east and has successfully accomplished the mission of implementing a democracy in Iraq.

What democracy woudl this be? The chosen leader of Iraq for when the interim government comes into power (chosen by who? Not the Iraqi people that's for sure)
So where is this democracy at the moment? Oh, it's not there.
And "my Dad can kick your dad's ass, so I'm better than you".
Way to argue there boyo!

As John Kerrys friend Howard Dean said that SADDAM HUSSEIN was INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.. maybe OSAMA deserves such a right as well! Hey we dont REALLY know he did it.

The limp wristed liberals have no place in America at this point in history. Its time for the real leaders to take over.
We fixed Clintons recession. We fixed the USA's horrid national security state that Clinton left us. We've fixed Clintons decrepit and decayed military. We've been trying to keep the sanctity of marriage for a man and woman.
President Bush even tried to pass a permanent ban on broadband internet.. something that Democrats incessently want to get their greedy hands into taxing to spend inefficiently.

The recession that occured when the tech bubble burst?
Yeah, Clinton's fault(!)
Sanctity of marriage in the US has nothing to do with Iraq, hell, for them marriage is probably more sacred. Many Muslim countries don't allow sex outside of marriage, because of the sacredness of sex and marriage. (Iran, Saudi Arabia), nor do they allow homosexual sex.

Proof is in the pudding, we RUN this place. And we're going to smash Flip-Flop Kerry this year. When hes in a statistical tie with Bush in CALIFORNIA at this point in the game.. its already over and going to be the biggest landslide since Mondale/Reagan.

The demos are just going to have to reform and become a party worth voting for again.. sadly, which hasnt happened since before they embraced the radical politics of the 60's "revolution".
You know, that hippy revolution of rich, dumb white kids who knew nothing about life and sent the colored man off to fight their war (again, no racism there). As they smoked pot and spit on them as they came back from defending their freedom to remain clueless.

The proof is in the pudding eh? The pudding hasn't been made yet (elections come later - how can you know you will smash Kerry - been to the future?)
And what the HELL does this have to do with Iraq and terrorism!?!?!?!?!?!

Remember it was a Democrat who sent everyone off to Vietnam and a Republican who got us out.

Riiight, and that means Iraq has everything to do with terrorism!

Peace, love, understanding my liberal friends!

Sorry, I don't understand some of what you've written. It must be my appauling liberal education, sorry. I will try harder next time though.

I'll leave you with a few quotes.

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
John Stuart Mill

And Einstein has a few words for all you liberal "Einsteins" out there!

?The world is too dangerous to live in - not because of the people who do evil, but because of the people who sit and let it happen.? - Albert Einstein

[/quote]
Does that mean you've gone for good?

 

[Czar]

now this will be interesting, expecialy since Edge3D said his post was rich and full of content.....

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Czar
now this will be interesting, expecialy since Edge3D said his post was rich and full of content.....

Well it was blustery but I wouldn't say it was rich and full of content. His arguments weren't all that convincing. To me it seemed more like cheap shots leveled at those who don't agree with the Dub's Iraqi Policy

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well, since Lonyo has done a good deconstruction of a silly diatribe, all I can say about the original poster is I hope he never gets hold of anything sharper than a spork.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Czar
now this will be interesting, expecialy since Edge3D said his post was rich and full of content.....

It was full of something. Pips to Lonyo for systematically trashing that rubbish.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Well, since Lonyo has done a good deconstruction of a silly diatribe, all I can say about the original poster is I hope he never gets hold of anything sharper than a spork.

No doubt Edge3D is another Liberal posting as a Conservative to try and make all Conservatives look foolish

 

[Bowmaster]

Usually a question coming from one who is not capable of learning from history

I don't care how insightful any article is - if it starts out slaming one group that it is supposedly trying to "educate", it just isn't going to be read.

No, I did not read your obviously slanted article because of this opening.
Yes, I am VERY capable of learning from history. Shall we start with Vietnam?
Yes, this whole article was written by a Troll...

 

[GrGr]

Bush administration has used 27 rationales for war in Iraq, study says

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: GrGr
Bush administration has used 27 rationales for war in Iraq, study says

Bush flip flop?

Can't be!

 

[Klixxer]

*sigh* It doesn't matter what you say to this guy, he will bring up intelligence that is ten year old to prove you wrong, he will use intelligence proven to be faked to prove his point, he just won't listen.

I'm going to say this once again, Iraq gave money to the families of EVERY killed Palestinian, not only the suicide bombers, so does SA, funny how they are STILL being attacked by Al Quaida.

Osama hated the secularist Hussein, most people know that, but i guess it is ok to distort the truth to your advantage whenever you like. If there was ONE leader in the entire middle east that wasn't a fundamentalist muslim it was SH, most sane people know that too.

Edge3D says that he will be the first to go to Iraq to fight, but he still sits in his chair trembling, just another big man behind his keyboard.

Edit: changed Iraqi to Palestinian

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: cougarls88

Originally posted by: GrGr
Bush administration has used 27 rationales for war in Iraq, study says

Bush flip flop?

Can't be!

No, it's more like: Flip flop flip flip flop flippety flop flip flip floppety flip flop....

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
What does Iraq have to do with terrorism?
Usually a question coming from one who is not capable of learning from history, nor that understands that Freedom is Not Free, would usually ask.

Insulting yourself, good way to start...self-deprecation.

In case you happen to be one of those, I'll tell you.

Oh, sorry, I'm quite unlike you.

First, remember that Saddam Hussein financially funded and encouraged radical Islamic suicide bombing. He has allied and aligned himself with those groups such as Al Qaeda, so we know he was involved in such activity.

Saddam Hussein was in NO way associated with Al Qaeda. Even Pres. Bush has said there is NO link. Saddam did fund Hezbollah suicide bombers only in that they were able to attack Israel on a consistent basis and Saddam's hatred of Israel is 2nd to none...well...except maybe the U.S.

Second, the pre-war intelligence. The intelligence that Saddam had WMDs.. the intelligence that Clinton and Kerry both believed and Kerry even voted to initiate a WAR from! How irresponsible of him. Tisk-tisk.

You're again borrowing from the Book of Bush: Obfuscate!

Clinton, when he was in office, was using intelligence known to him at the time. By the time 2002 rolled around, the Bush administration was relying upon unvetted CIA intelligence and other sources deemed unreliable by the CIA. This administration knew that but still continued on as if nothing was wrong. The information upon which Kerry based his vote authorizing the use of force was provided by the Bush administration. Kerry was no longer on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Come my liberal friends, lets [sic] hold the fire to his feet.. because WAR has NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING!
Well, at least.. the wars this country has waged that have crushed socialism and communism across the globe..

What war were we in that crushed communism? The one we lost in Vietnam? The non-war that felled the Berlin Wall?

No WONDER they hate America! We put down oppressive governments and dictatorships.
That would explain their love for Fidel Castro as well!

Now you're just completely going off the deep end of the Rhetoric Pool.

Oh, and forget women's rights in Iraq and the middle-east.. thats [sic] only for rich, white AMERICAN women!
Way to hold people down liberals! No racism there!

How does this relate to terrorism? And, btw, women had some rights in Iraq, more than in other Arab states.

See, the thing is that leftists dont REALLY have any conviction, dont [sic] REALLY have any principles of "peace/love/tolerance". They dont [sic] believe in anything, not womens [sic] rights, not a strong black America.. nothing.
All their policies (more like reaction to conservative initiatives), are really just divisive and pits one American against another.. "fear politics" to scare votes of blacks/whites/asians/hispanics/the elderly to maintain power.
There is no real conviction underneath it all, or they'd be for heading to the middle east.. and freeing these poor people from the shackles of oppression. I forgot, they dont do such a thing unless a Democrat is in office. Their "conviction" and beliefs stop right there.

Now, all of a sudden, anyone who doesn't agree with you is a "leftist"? Do you even know what a "leftist" is?? I seriously doubt it. And to claim that Democratic policies are only reactions to conservative initiatives is completely laughable. That claim is seriously making me doubt your education and even your sanity.

Back on topic, its [sic] the average conservatives [sic] more intellectual nature to think things through.. to understand concepts that liberals would rather not think about because it goes against their politics to admit the truth in many matters in which they are wrong in.

What are you talking about here? You certainly cannot mean the current administration. This administration has done more to suppress actual debate in the policy-making process than any other administration that I can think of!! Why do you think Paul O'Neill was fired?

For instance, the conservatives in this nation have came to the clear conclusion that the only long-term solution to the problem with Islamic radicalism.. is to stop the culture and situation that breeds it.
To institute a free democracy in Iraq, or any middle-eastern nation for that matter (it does not matter), is very capable of starting a domino effect across the middle east.

You are mislabeling those that fought for this war. They are the NEOCONS, they are not true conservatives. They are not for fiscal responsibility nor against nation-building. The PNAC forced its vision upon the world, through Bush, after the 9/11 attacks. You can thank Perle, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld for that.

Something France and Germany would likely very much oppose, as they were in favorable condition with the previous murderous dictators.
Also, the liberals/democrats/leftists in America OF COURSE oppose the war, not [sic] matter WHAT the reason, no matter WHAT anyone does (no matter how correct the actions and intentions might be).. becuase [sic] its [sic] spreading freedom, liberty and democracy across the world.

Nope, again, you are COMPLETELY wrong. There are many non-Republicans who favored action in Iraq but doing so in the PROPER way! Remember how George H. W. Bush and James Baker culled a true worldwide coalition of over 100 nations? Compare that to the bribery involved with George W. Bush to procure a weak coalition which involved troops from an additional half-dozen nations. Wow...some real widespread support there, Skippy!!

They FEAR these things because Democracy is ran [sic] by a forum of ideas.
An arena they have proven to NOT be capable of competing in. [/b]

Kerry is a statesman compared to Bush. Again, I seriously question your education and your sanity.

The [sic] only dominate in the arena of mass-TV media and HOLLYWOOD. Where in both areas they can slide in subversive dogma that is unseen to the untrained and uneducated eye.

Michael Eisner? Rupert Murdoch? Names ring a bell? Rather conservative individuals who happen to run some rather large media conglomerates.

When it comes to a real debate, when it comes to the facts.. they are no where to be found in society.
Hence Limbaugh, Hannity and the plethora of other talk radio hosts just like them dominate the airwaves.

You should try listening to NPR or watching C-SPAN. Limbaugh, Hannity, Medved, Beck, Prager, etc. are just inflammatory, at best. Why do you think they interrupt their callers, engage in inflammatory rhetoric, screen their callers to get weak opponents and strong supporters? It's all in the name of RATINGS. Those AM talk radio heads don't give one sh*t about the truth. They're just in it for ratings and money.

Just as conservatives regularly dominate the NYT best sellers list.

Like Richard Clarke, Joseph Wilson, Paul O'Neill (Suskind)

As I illustrated above, they run off of platforms of divide and conquer.
Things such as liberal white guilt is used against the liberal fools. Reparations for slavery are used against blacks. Threats that some evil Republican is going to take away their social security is used against our elderly. And so on.

While Republicans wager that people should use the very freedoms they are allowed and encourage personal responsibility.. rather than government reliance and playing the blame game for eternity.

Its [sic] the conservatives, the people who go to work everyday, the people who have and are defended this nation that make it great.
Not the liberal who sits in his chair and watches as we bring democracy to the middle east (concurrently defeating Islamic radicalism at the same time).. the liberal who sits as we go to work everyday so he may recieve a free ride. The liberal who sits and watches as the conservatives enjoy and excel in this capitalist society.
The conservatives, the ones who promote family values.
Conservatives in America promote everything that is good and right about America as the liberals represent everything that is wrong.

Ok...more ranting and raving. I though we were talking about terrorism?

So what does Iraq have to do with terrorism? It has EVERYTHING to do with terrorism. Its [sic] the PERFECT starting point in a quest to stop Islamic radicalism once and for all.

How so? Iraq is not known as a center of militant Islamic radicals. One must look to Iran, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Indonesia for them.

The only long term solution. [sic] Funny, that John F'n Kerry has no other answers.. other than if elected to actually pretty much follow through with the plan.

By engaging in worldwide efforts to combat terrorism, not INCREASE terrorism by invading sovereign nations without worldwide support.

Republicans Lead. The rest, follow. Its [sic] the reason why we control this country. It really is that simple.
I would and very well could be a Democrat, IF they'd LEAD and DO something.

In my short time on earth, all I've seen them capable of doing is complaining and carrying out witch-hunts...oops! I mean, "investigations".

Oh, like Ken Starr did against Clinton? It's ok for YOUR side to conduct witch-hunts...oops! I mean, "investigations".

Since this has turned into a nice rant, I'd like to note a piece of logic that seems to escape every liberals [sic] minds. [sic]

If Iraq has nothing to do with terrorists, then why are they so mad that we are there?
Doesnt [sic] seem to make sense. But then again, as I've illustrated the faulty politics of Left America they dont make much sense at all.

Because we are a staunch supporter of Israel and invading Iraq made us an easy target.

Besides, who would OSAMA rather have President of the USA.. the puppet John Kerry who bows and crawls on his knees to special interest groups and their money.

Bush is the puppet. Bush is a virgin when it comes to foreign relations. That's why the PNAC neocons have been able to enact their vision so well with the direction of Cheney's arm up Bush's ass.

Or the President, who has given in to NO ONE. Has kicked ass all over the middle east and has successfully accomplished the mission of implementing a democracy in Iraq.

Yeah, he sure kicked ass alright. :roll:

Afghanistan is just a model democracy now.
No warlords ruling large portions of the country there. Nope.
President Karzai isn't pleading for billions in aid. Nope.
The Taliban and Al Qaeda aren't still killing coalition troops there. Nope.

And U.S. support is SO strong in Iraq. Ayup. Why, I'll be willing to bet they're fully democratic in 18 months because Bush KICKED ASS!!


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As John Kerrys [sic] friend Howard Dean said that SADDAM HUSSEIN was INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.. maybe OSAMA deserves such a right as well! Hey we dont [sic] REALLY know he did it.

The limp wristed [sic] liberals have no place in America at this point in history. Its [sic] time for the real leaders to take over.

I'll agree with that last portion of your statement. It's time for Kerry to become President and bring back thought, debate, diplomacy, accountability, and fiscal responsibility to the White House!

We fixed Clintons [sic] recession. We fixed the USA's horrid national security state that Clinton left us. We've fixed Clintons [sic] decrepit and decayed military. We've been trying to keep the sanctity of marriage for a man and woman.

It wasn't Clinton's recession and it hasn't been "fixed". And, how does cutting FBI funding, as per Ashcroft, constitute fixing the "horrid national security state"?

President Bush even tried to pass a permanent ban on broadband internet.. something that Democrats incessently [sic] want to get their greedy hands into taxing to spend inefficiently.

More bullsh*t rhetoric.

Proof is in the pudding, we RUN this place. And we're going to smash Flip-Flop Kerry this year. When hes [sic] in a statistical tie with Bush in CALIFORNIA at this point in the game.. its [sic] already over and going to be the biggest landslide since Mondale/Reagan.

The demos are just going to have to reform and become a party worth voting for again.. sadly, which hasnt happened since before they embraced the radical politics of the 60's "revolution".
You know, that hippy revolution of rich, dumb white kids who knew nothing about life and sent the colored man off to fight their war (again, no racism there). As they smoked pot and spit on them as they came back from defending their freedom to remain clueless.

Remember it was a Democrat who sent everyone off to Vietnam and a Republican who got us out.

Peace, love, understanding my liberal friends!

I'll leave you with a few quotes.

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
John Stuart Mill

And Einstein has a few words for all you liberal "Einsteins" out there!

?The world is too dangerous to live in - not because of the people who do evil, but because of the people who sit and let it happen.? - Albert Einstein

LMAO at that last bit there...wow!! The brainwashing has worked perfectly on you!

 

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Wow, it looks like we have a right wing BOBDN... Oh BTW Saddam did inface support suicide bombers... I'd like to make that clear... Generally, being a republican I usually side with my own party members, but not this crazy mofo.