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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad goes on a rant

Socio

Golden Member
This is a video clip of Ahmadinejad giving a speech to Iran in it he basically says the US military commanders will not attack Iran because they are afraid of Iran;

It is at least good for a laugh:

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

However reading between the lines it is not hard to construe he is trying to provoke an attack.
 
Hostile nations have always talked trash before ? this is not new from Iran, or any other enemy of ours. The only consideration this should be given is towards what they intend to do with nuclear weapons once they have them.
 
Batsh*t crazy president (Ahmad) + Incompetent asinine brainless government (US) = who knows? cannot be good, though.
 
The best advice I give about Ahmadimejad is to ignore him. If we don't mind he won't matter. As it is, GWB&co will be thrown into the scrap bin of history come 1/20/2009.
Ahmadinejad won't last much longer, his date with the scrap bin of history is 8/2009, he is already unpopular with Iranians, he is nothing but a national embarrassment, and
the real power in Iran is not in the President.

Think of him more like the former information minister of Iraq and you will have Ahmadinejad about pegged perfectly.
 
But he's right. The USA is afraid of Iran with them losing 2 illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are also afraid that an attack on Iran will mean oil will be $500+/barrell and the already frail US economy will collapse. And only stupid people like the OP would think that calling an opponent afraid would provoke an attack. Maybe in junior school; but this is world politics. I think you people of America need to lose your over-inflated egos.
 
Originally posted by: GenHoth
I'm not sure if my sarcasm meter is broken or if green bean is simply retarded

From the GenHoth Statement, I can't conclude GenHoth is retarded, but I can conclude that GenHoth simply deep deep in denial of reality. Maybe you need to learn to play chess, the first damn thing you will learn is that things don't always have the glorious outcomes the player thinks it will have.

But unlike Ahmadinejad, in a chess game, I don't tell my opponent not to make a foolish move, I just silently hope they will.
 
What I fnd notable isn't the overstated military power of Iran by him, but the arrogance of American attitudes that simply take for granted that we should have huge dominance, and leave everyone else in a 'better not say anything we don't like or else' situation, where we view not attacking them as a big favor on our part for which they should be grateful.

It's the sort of warped view reflected in the old slave days when owners had no perspective on the fundamental wrongs, and instead would be offended if the slaves had any resentment because 'why, I treat them well, and they're ungrateful!' I recall, late in the civil war, a diary entry from a woman who said she was so shocked her slaves left to join the north that it made her wonder if she had been wrong about how happy they were.
It's the sort of arrogance that can lead a USSR to think colonization is nice to do.

If a big corporation you bank with, or the IRS, told you that you were powerless and should appreciate any gesture they made to treat you decently, how would you react?

And yet, the people I'm describing just take it for granted that it's ok for them to have national security that's far above other nations, and ok for us to tell them they can't do the same thing we do. It's a little as if one house in your neighborhood said you couldn't have guns because they had bought a ton of guns and didn't want any threats to them, and had the guns to coerce you to do as they said, but then said how equal things were. That's not bad enough - then it's as if they start 'borrowing' neighbors' belongings coercively.

When our national leaders are openly debating an attack on Iran, some here call it a provocation for *Iran* to simply say they can defend form it.

Imagine your neighbor saying he'd have to use his guns on you if you don't stop talking about getting your own, and then that you are 'making him shoot you' when you say that you aren't going to let him dictate that. While I'm saying this at length in response to Socio's post, it's a broader issue, really. Americans are too-litle expose to the views of other countries. There's a sort of sick cycle where Americans treasure their security over others, and this makes them treat others less fairly, making them even more treasure the fact that they're an American and not in another country. The more the dominate others, the more they are glad to be an American. Where is their recognistion of the issue of fairness to others though? It is indeed not unlike the slave owners who missed the basic unfairness and thought they were 'good' owners.

While I'm not suggesting that every nation become a highly militarized nuclear power the same as the US, I am saying that in light or our not wanting that, we need some better, fairer systems for protecting the nations who don't get that than 'as long as the US is happy with your behavior'. Not surprisingly, US leaders think that's a fine standard. Add n a little PR - 'Noriega is indicted on drug charges', 'Saddam invaded Kuwait', 'Greanda is, um, well bad', and the next thing you know, they are free to use our military.

I'd say Iran has a lot of good reason to say things because of the history where we were behind ending their democracy and installing a brutal Shah, we were involved in encouraging Saddam to invade them for no good reason (but for our own desire to see a proxy harm them) in a war with gassed schools and a million casualties - why shouldn't they resent events far worse than 9/11 that were done to them?

Can you imagine Al Queda having installed a brutal dictator here to replace our democracy and having a big nation that's stilll threatening us, and getting mad if we don't say 'ok'?

No, the Socio approach is nothing but arrogance that leads to war and shows how other nations are right not to trust the US having such advantage - which has implications on their being happy to see US power reduced by our economy being weaker. I'd liike to see a US president say that those acts we did are wrong, and then work towards some agreement with Iran. Is the issue really Iran as a threat, or is it our wanting to have our proxies in charge in the reegion?

That's the sort of approach which leads to double standards where the same action is a terrorist act justifying response if done by an 'enemy nation', and ok if done by an ally.

Compare the reported arming of the insurgents in Iraq by Iran with the arming and assistance - we had our fleet in combat against Iran for Saddam and other assistance (not to mention even the accidental shooting down by our ship of an Iranian civil airliner) - we did for Saddam in the war against Iran. "Unacceptable and justification for war" for the first, and "we don't want to discuss it" for the second.
 
Nah, TGB just took a post about the US military and moved it into other fields like politics and economics. Perhaps my words were a bit hasty and harsh, but I still think that anyone who believes the US military commanders fear Iran is foolish.
 
Originally posted by: GenHoth
I'm not sure if my sarcasm meter is broken or if green bean is simply retarded

What about TGB's post do you think is retarded?

Maybe we're not exactly losing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but a person could quite reasonably view the wars as illegal. (certainly Iraq) The idea of oil hitting $500 a barrel is also pretty reasonable if we attack Iran as the straights of Hormuz would likely become impassable for an extended period of time. Hell, $500 a barrel might be conservative. The only other point he made was that Ahmadinejad sticking his tongue out at us probably wouldn't cause us to launch a full scale war as Socio insanely advocated.

Guess I'm not seeing it.

EDIT: I guarantee you our military commanders fear Iran. Not because of their conventional military ability or anything, but because of their strategic location and what they can do to world energy supplies.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
The only other point he made was that Ahmadinejad sticking his tongue out at us probably wouldn't cause us to launch a full scale war as Socio insanely advocated.

Guess I'm not seeing it.

EDIT: I guarantee you our military commanders fear Iran. Not because of their conventional military ability or anything, but because of their strategic location and what they can do to world energy supplies.

hmm, I viewed socio's post as more tongue in cheek sort of post. Pointing out how despite the saber rattling it didn't mean much. I also gleaned from socio's post that he claimed the US was afraid of Iran's military might, which is as you admitted not true. As I said, perhaps I spoke to quickly, but based on my reading of the original post (I don't watch video clips, sorry) was understandable (if insensitive)
 
Originally posted by: GenHoth
Originally posted by: eskimospy
The only other point he made was that Ahmadinejad sticking his tongue out at us probably wouldn't cause us to launch a full scale war as Socio insanely advocated.

Guess I'm not seeing it.

EDIT: I guarantee you our military commanders fear Iran. Not because of their conventional military ability or anything, but because of their strategic location and what they can do to world energy supplies.

hmm, I viewed socio's post as more tongue in cheek sort of post. Pointing out how despite the saber rattling it didn't mean much. I also gleaned from socio's post that he claimed the US was afraid of Iran's military might, which is as you admitted not true. As I said, perhaps I spoke to quickly, but based on my reading of the original post (I don't watch video clips, sorry) was understandable (if insensitive)

I wish Socio's posts were tongue in cheek.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: GenHoth
I'm not sure if my sarcasm meter is broken or if green bean is simply retarded

What about TGB's post do you think is retarded?

Maybe we're not exactly losing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but a person could quite reasonably view the wars as illegal. (certainly Iraq) The idea of oil hitting $500 a barrel is also pretty reasonable if we attack Iran as the straights of Hormuz would likely become impassable for an extended period of time. Hell, $500 a barrel might be conservative. The only other point he made was that Ahmadinejad sticking his tongue out at us probably wouldn't cause us to launch a full scale war as Socio insanely advocated.

Guess I'm not seeing it.

EDIT: I guarantee you our military commanders fear Iran. Not because of their conventional military ability or anything, but because of their strategic location and what they can do to world energy supplies.

No where in my post did I in anyway or fashion advocate full scale war.
 
During a simulation of such an attack against Iran, the U.S navy lost because they were overwhelmed by swarms of naval ships. This exercise was run by the U.S navy themselves.

Iran simply has too many small boats equipped with torpedoes and missiles.

That's where the problem is with attacking Iran. If we attack their navy first then the rest of their military branches will move in to attack u.s back.
We simply do not have enough aircraft in the area to do a complete shock and awe of Iran. It worked on Iraq because Iraq had 5 aircraft and 4 tanks. Iran has tens of thousands of targets.

Thousands of naval ships/boats
Hundreds of aircraft
Thousands of attack helicopters
Thousands of ground-ground missile launchers
Hundreds of land-sea based
Hundreds of ground-air defense systems
Then the U.S has to find a way to take out their army before they start hitting our interest in Iraq/Afghanistan.

While on paper Iran's military is no match for the U.S, given the location that Iran is in it gives them a huge advantage.
Tank 4 tank, aircraft 4 aircraft, ship 4 ship the U.S will win. Iran has been planning for the last 10+ years for an attack by the U.S. Rather than purchase big equipment that will be destroyed they have amassed an army of ants that will cause annoyance.


Will it cause WWIII? absolutely not
Will the U.S lose the war? absolutely not, but if 1,000+ soldiers die or if 1 carrier is sunk certain people like to cry "we lost or we are losing".

The only thing that will happen is oil prices will skyrocket and at the end of it all and the regime of Iran will still be standing and we delayed their nuclear program by 5-10 years if we got lucky.
 
You guys are all missing the whole point. The boasting by Iran is the same thing as Iraq did. In the M.E., the best way to project the greatness of your power and strength is to proclaim it loudly and often. It has been part of their culture for a long time.
 
The U.S. won't attack Iran though, under any conditions save for a nuclear attack by them on an ally (presumably Israel). And there is no chance Iran will start war with anyone else either, anytime soon that is. They'd go bankrupt and overthrow the Mullahs. Not going to happen, they're not stupid, merely twisted.
 
^ I am of course referring to Iranian leaders, and not the population itself which from many indications is far more reasonable and sane relative to their twisted dictators.
 
What happens when a nation is on the verge of change? What do the leaders do?

In Iran the Shah didn't do anything. If he was a smart man he could have started a war with Iraq. The population would have focused their negative energy towards the Arabs rather than on the Shah.

So what happens when the current regime is on the verge of collapse? Do they do nothing like the Shah or do they pull a "wag the dog"?
Not saying they will nuke anyone but I bet they will attack someone and that will lead to a war. Then who knows what will happen.

So does this mean if we don't attack Iran we have to do "everything" we can to accept the regime we have never wanted to accept just so their nukes will be under control?
 
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
You guys are all missing the whole point. The boasting by Iran is the same thing as Iraq did. In the M.E., the best way to project the greatness of your power and strength is to proclaim it loudly and often. It has been part of their culture for a long time.


Are you sure about this? Many times, even on this forum, it has been discussed that Saddam was always boasting, putting on displays of strength, and talking shit towards the US as a way to appear strong. No one disputes that - but the reason he did that wasn't because of some cultural desire...it was because he had countries like Turkey, Syria, Iran border the country. With "neighbors" like those, who needs enemies? If you appear weak no doubt they'll try to fark with you.

Otherwise I can see this as a feature of Russia as well as China. Talks about their military power, threatening neighbors if they do something stupid, having parades, etc. etc.

 
^ There is no chance Iran attacks any country anytime soon. None. As in attacks them with their army, their navy, etc., and not some rogue "freedom fighters".
 
Ahmadinejad was obviously trying to convince Iranians that they have no need to worry about being attacked. It takes a real sociopath to misconstrue his speech as anything but that.
 
Resolution 362
Calls for all ships entering and leaving Iran to be inspected

If the U.S actually tries to enforce this Iran will strike at the U.S navy.

The House is going to pass this bill. Might as well just pass a bill saying Bush can bomb Iran.
 
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