dennilfloss
Past Lifer 1957-2014 In Memoriam
In the case of Gerald Bull, we have either the Israelis or the Iranians as suspects for his assassination.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull
JEDIYoda
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Harvey you should be glad the MOSSAD exists! MOSSAD means The Istitute!
The MOSSAD were the only thing standing in the way of Israel using military means to attempt to stop Iran from moving closer to their goal.....
Also this is NOT the first time MOSSAD (The Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations)has assinated somebody.
Assasination is sort of SOP for the MOSSAD!
If the story is true it sure beats another war in that part of the world!
Why are you guys happy about "surgical" assassinations? If we get the chance to bomb the nuclear facilities there is a chance radiation could spread to the surrounding countryside. :laugh:
ThePresence
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Aimster, sure there have been minor skirmishes in the past and the northern Israeli border was always somewhat tense, but the attack by Hezbollah last year was in Israeli territory, and they killed and abducted soldiers. That was something new. Israel's President has absolutely no power and is a completely ceremonial position, so he cannot make a decision to invade or not. If you mean the Prime Minister, you are right. He made that decision as most Israeli prime minister's would have. It was a clear attack on Israel. Hezbollah was doing it to draw Israel into a 2-front battle, with what was raging in Gaza at the time, and to show the arab world that they are still a force to be reckoned with. And you are wrong saying that Hezbollah is an invasion-stopping militia. Hezbollah constantly attempts different kinds of attacks on Israel over the Shebba Farms situation. But they have never done anything quite like what they did last summer.
To be fair -neither country can really "Take" the other as the distance is pretty big. Planes will have to refuel somewhere, and countries in the middle won't really allow that from either side. The armies would have to clash some SOME kind of ground, but since they don't share a border that makes it hard.
Israel could, and did, pummel on defenseless (literally, and I mean that) Lebanon and hammer any infrastructure they desire because they are next to Lebanon. But its hard to fight a war from a distance where you don't have any kind of beachhead or staging point.
ThePresence
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In a sense Israel did lose because they did not achieve their stated goals of dismantling Hezbollah and freeing the soldiers. They were really unachievable goals, but Olmert is way over his head. He has no business being prime minister, he is totally the wrong man for the job. He bends to any kind of pressure and Israel does not need a man like him at the helm. Thankfully he wont be around much longer. His approval rating is horrible and his government would have fell a good few months ago if Avigdor Lieberman and his Yisrael Beytenu party would not have joined the government.
picking off their top scientists sounds like a good plan to me. that way when we all their facilities get bombed, they won't have anyone to help rebuild them.
Sorry Isreal or any other Middle East Country is not in the U.S. Constitution.
When you can show me they are then spew your garbage.
ThePresence
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No Hezbollah does not, simply because they don't have the ability, not because they don't want to.
Mossad is not based on any kind of moral superiority, what are you talking about? It's Israel's intelligence agency, similiar to the US's CIA. Iran is building a nuke, and they have publicly stated many times that they want to wipe Israel off the map. Preventing Iran from developing a nuke is pure self-defense. It's not like they are even attempting to hide their intentions.
The Israelis have there own left to contend with.
Such disagreement in policy can weaken a nation, even a nation that kicked the butt of several Arab counties in 6 days.
Unfortunately that disagreement only seems to be prevalent in democracies, voices for change in the arab world are often silenced.
The threatening of Iranian students to not be allowed a university education comes to mind as being a subtle form of this type of pressure.
You might be on to something: perhaps the guy had an accident, so why not spin it as a Zionist plot?
On the other hand, maybe it was one of those green, poisonous balloons released over a week ago that got him.
On the other hand, maybe it was one of those green, poisonous balloons released over a week ago that got him.
SamurAchzar
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It's quite simple, really: If you support the Iranian cause, it's a violent crime; If you support Israel's right to exist and preemptively take actions to defend itself, it's a class act.
Nothing more to it.
I guess that without the 'illegal' actions - 99.9% go unnoticed - that various intelligence agencies are committing each and every day, the world would be a much worse place.
And by the way - Israel accidently killed a scientist (or two) in 1981, when it attacked the Iraqi nuclear plant. Was that barbaric and bloodthirsty? How many lives could be at danger had Iraq gained nuclear ability?
Hypocrites...
Nothing more to it.
I guess that without the 'illegal' actions - 99.9% go unnoticed - that various intelligence agencies are committing each and every day, the world would be a much worse place.
And by the way - Israel accidently killed a scientist (or two) in 1981, when it attacked the Iraqi nuclear plant. Was that barbaric and bloodthirsty? How many lives could be at danger had Iraq gained nuclear ability?
Hypocrites...
My mistake I meant to say the PM.
Kidnappings is not NEW by either Hezbollah or Israel. They have both been fighting each other for the last 5 years. 2005 was a very active year for Hezbollah vs Israel fighting.
The new PM decided to be a war hungry idiot and cause a major escalation over something that was always limited to military personal. He turned it into destruction for Lebanon and panic for Israel.
Not a single thing was accomplished and as a result Hezbollah is probably stronger.
The goal of Hezbollah is to protect Lebanon and now the people of Lebanon are starting to be reminded again why they are there in the first place.
I would understand if there was absolutely zero fighting between Israel and Hezbollah and this was something totally random, but it was not random at all.
The only positive outcome of the war was that so far (I believe) neither side has dared attack the other side. So was the war the peace the two forces had been looking for?
Bad Israeli PM, BAD. Sharon would not be proud.
Kidnappings is not NEW by either Hezbollah or Israel. They have both been fighting each other for the last 5 years. 2005 was a very active year for Hezbollah vs Israel fighting.
The new PM decided to be a war hungry idiot and cause a major escalation over something that was always limited to military personal. He turned it into destruction for Lebanon and panic for Israel.
Not a single thing was accomplished and as a result Hezbollah is probably stronger.
The goal of Hezbollah is to protect Lebanon and now the people of Lebanon are starting to be reminded again why they are there in the first place.
I would understand if there was absolutely zero fighting between Israel and Hezbollah and this was something totally random, but it was not random at all.
The only positive outcome of the war was that so far (I believe) neither side has dared attack the other side. So was the war the peace the two forces had been looking for?
Bad Israeli PM, BAD. Sharon would not be proud.
TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- None of the Iranian nuclear scientists have been assassinated by Moussad because the Israeli intelligence agency is basically incapable of running operations inside Iran, an informed source said here in Tehran on Sunday.
Following a report released by the weekly 'Sunday Times' about assassination of an Iranian nuclear scientist called Ardeshir Hossein-pour by Israel's Moussad, an informed source told FNA that Hossein-pour, a Shiraz University professor, was in no way connected to Iran's Uranium Conversion Facility (UCF) in Isfahan and that he had been suffocated by fumes from a faulty gas fire in sleep.
The Sunday Times report alleged that Hossein-pour was an employee at Isfahan's UCF plant, where uranium hexafluoride (UF6) is produced from uranium ore.
The source also pointed out that Moussad is even incapable of solving the international crisis of the Zionist regime, saying, "If Moussad was capable of doing great things, it should have solved the domestic crisis of Israel."
"The United States and Israel have repeatedly gone under deep criticism by western politicians and experts for their weaknesses in collecting correct information about Iran's capabilities," he continued, stating that such reports are released to serve propaganda purposes.
The informed source also stressed, "Iran's nuclear scientists are continuing their efforts to master civilian nuclear technology for peaceful purposes."
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8511150571
Following a report released by the weekly 'Sunday Times' about assassination of an Iranian nuclear scientist called Ardeshir Hossein-pour by Israel's Moussad, an informed source told FNA that Hossein-pour, a Shiraz University professor, was in no way connected to Iran's Uranium Conversion Facility (UCF) in Isfahan and that he had been suffocated by fumes from a faulty gas fire in sleep.
The Sunday Times report alleged that Hossein-pour was an employee at Isfahan's UCF plant, where uranium hexafluoride (UF6) is produced from uranium ore.
The source also pointed out that Moussad is even incapable of solving the international crisis of the Zionist regime, saying, "If Moussad was capable of doing great things, it should have solved the domestic crisis of Israel."
"The United States and Israel have repeatedly gone under deep criticism by western politicians and experts for their weaknesses in collecting correct information about Iran's capabilities," he continued, stating that such reports are released to serve propaganda purposes.
The informed source also stressed, "Iran's nuclear scientists are continuing their efforts to master civilian nuclear technology for peaceful purposes."
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8511150571
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Thank you Aimster
Or as the Gilda Radner character from Saturday Night Live always said "Never mind!"
Of course the question is who do we believe? Would Iran admit if Israel killed one of their scientists? And of course Israel will never release a statement saying they did it. So
Or as the Gilda Radner character from Saturday Night Live always said "Never mind!"
Of course the question is who do we believe? Would Iran admit if Israel killed one of their scientists? And of course Israel will never release a statement saying they did it. So
Iran will not admit to anything unless it benefits their cause.
This shows that Israel defeated them, so they will deny it if it did happen.
This shows that Israel defeated them, so they will deny it if it did happen.
Sometimes you let a mosquito buzz by several times before you get upset and crush it.
Other than that, your rhetoric is as usual: detached from reality. While you're busy portraying Hizballah as the defenders of the people, they have their hands full undermining Lebanon's government.
Mosquitto buzz by? Israel was attacking Hezbollah as well.
Stop making it look like your beloved Israel was sitting there getting attacked and taking it.
Bowfinger
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For the record, "Iran is building a nuke" is an unsupported allegation, not yet corroborated with evidence from independent and credible sources. Iran is working on enriching uranium. While uranium enrichment technology can be applied to nuclear weapons production, it is also used for peaceful nuclear energy, and is permitted under the NPT. Iran claims its efforts are for peaceful nuclear energy production.
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