Iranian based troops move into Iraq
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The Turks want to extend their boarder into northern Iraq as well, and have plans to do so if/when US led invasion begins. The whole place could turn into a huge mess....
Hayabusa Rider
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Could get interesting. Iran could invade, and I doubt Saddam would be allowed to respond. Hmmm...
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I'm sure Turkey would like it but if it happened the world would see the US as leading an attack on a soverign nation not just to secure peace in the world and help that nation's people, but to annex land and seize assets. I don't expect the US or any other nation would be big on this idea at all. It would undermine everything the pro-war nations are currently saying.
Here it is:
"Turkey is raising its price for allowing U.S. forces to invade Iraq from its territory. In early negotiations with the United States, Ankara spoke of sending in Turkish troops to set up a ?buffer zone? perhaps 15 miles deep along the Iraqi border. This would prevent a flood of Kurdish refugees from northern Iraq, the Turks said."
Edit: Oops, here's the better quote:
"BUT NOW, NEWSWEEK has learned, Turkey is demanding that it send 60,000 to 80,000 of its own troops into northern Iraq to establish ?strategic positions? across a ?security arc? as much as 140 to 170 miles deep in Iraq."
Edit 2: Read another article stating most Turkish troops in this plan would be under US command, but still 10-15 thousand under Turkish command...
Hayabusa Rider
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Thought this was common knowlege. Remember that Iraq is not a "natural" country. It was set up by the British after WWI with 3 distinct groups. The goal was to have a country so divided, it would never be a threat. Worked for a while, but Saddam-like leaders managed to keep it together. Once Saddam is gone, look for the Iraqi people to want to split up the country, and realign or be annexed by neighboring countries.
Iran is invading anything. And there is already negotiated responses to Turkey DEFENDING its border when the war begins from an onslaught of Kurds crosing the border to escape from Saddam.
If an opposition group indeed has crossed into Iraq from Iran, it is probably a welcome thing by the people who inhabit the North. It is in the interest of the indeginous people of Iraq to resolve governship of the country after military action has dealt with the "regime change", which is the sole reason we are going to war in the first place.
After a legitimate democratic and fair government is installed, then Iraq will recieve the things needed to rebuild, and they can barter for that with the oil reserves it has. It is a win win situation for Iraq. Do we really know who is best to rule Iraq after Saddam is gone? No, but you can be sure the people of Iraq are not remotely interested in Tommy Franks running the country.
Discussions about France,Germany,Belgium or Russia holding out for favorable relief for oil contracts or paid of debts is folly. The new goveernment in Iraq will have to deal with any outstanding unfullfilled contractural agreements the Saddam may or may not have made. If you make a deal with a dead man, don't expect to get paid. And don't expect the dead mans family to pay the debt.
You dance with the Devil , you just might get burned. Suck it France/Germany/Belgium :disgust:
If an opposition group indeed has crossed into Iraq from Iran, it is probably a welcome thing by the people who inhabit the North. It is in the interest of the indeginous people of Iraq to resolve governship of the country after military action has dealt with the "regime change", which is the sole reason we are going to war in the first place.
After a legitimate democratic and fair government is installed, then Iraq will recieve the things needed to rebuild, and they can barter for that with the oil reserves it has. It is a win win situation for Iraq. Do we really know who is best to rule Iraq after Saddam is gone? No, but you can be sure the people of Iraq are not remotely interested in Tommy Franks running the country.
Discussions about France,Germany,Belgium or Russia holding out for favorable relief for oil contracts or paid of debts is folly. The new goveernment in Iraq will have to deal with any outstanding unfullfilled contractural agreements the Saddam may or may not have made. If you make a deal with a dead man, don't expect to get paid. And don't expect the dead mans family to pay the debt.
You dance with the Devil , you just might get burned. Suck it France/Germany/Belgium :disgust:
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the same can be said for the support given to osama and the taliban by the US during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
Everything is so simple and easy.
Kurds are helping us fight Saddam, their goal is to establish a Kurdish state. If Saddam is defeated, they sure are going to try to do so. I doubt they will want to remain part of Iraq. If Iraq is weakened, they will secede. Turkey will not allow it, because it will eventually lead to Turkish part of Kurdistan joining the one on Iraqi side, and another civil war with the Kurds for Turkey. Turkey is part of NATO, so there is a chance we will be fighting the Kurds who are now helping us against Saddam. So instead of criticizing Saddam for opressing the Kurds, we are going to be in the unenviable position of either having to opress them or helping Turkey opress them. There are geopolitical issues here that I don't think are given sufficient consideration by Bush, who can't think past 2004.
Kurds are helping us fight Saddam, their goal is to establish a Kurdish state. If Saddam is defeated, they sure are going to try to do so. I doubt they will want to remain part of Iraq. If Iraq is weakened, they will secede. Turkey will not allow it, because it will eventually lead to Turkish part of Kurdistan joining the one on Iraqi side, and another civil war with the Kurds for Turkey. Turkey is part of NATO, so there is a chance we will be fighting the Kurds who are now helping us against Saddam. So instead of criticizing Saddam for opressing the Kurds, we are going to be in the unenviable position of either having to opress them or helping Turkey opress them. There are geopolitical issues here that I don't think are given sufficient consideration by Bush, who can't think past 2004.
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Kurdistan also extends into Iran, but it is doubtful that they will get anywhere with Turkey or Iran, i.e. they have no friends. Look, this is a common thread throughout the area. The country of Macedonia looks to the province of "Macedonia" in Greece as theirs. The Iranians see Azerbaijan as theirs since they have a province by the same name, and actually held that area of the old borders of Persia. Kurds may help, but it'll only give them a voice, not a new country.
The Turks don't want the Kurds to cross the border, that's why they are tightening security.
A Dutch newssite reports that the Iranians crossing the border are mostly exiled members of the Iraqi opposition, that they were stationed near the southern border, but most likely crossed a bit more to the north somewhere in December.
A Dutch newssite reports that the Iranians crossing the border are mostly exiled members of the Iraqi opposition, that they were stationed near the southern border, but most likely crossed a bit more to the north somewhere in December.
Suck it USA, the world doesn't revolve around you.
I hope the world will stand up aganist the biggest threat.
Oh come on! Quit telling him to study and learn. I much prefer getting a good laugh out of the idiots on ATOT
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