jjzelinski
Diamond Member
The good news is that if Iran gets fesity we don't have to worry about occupation, Iraq will serve as our foothold in the ME so we can focus on a$$kicking everywhere else.
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Iran will become a nuclear power
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You say NK poses a larger threat to America than Iran, and that it would make more sense to attack NK?
Why?
Iran and Israel are sworn enemies, and Israel is America's ally. Iran hates America. And they teach their children to hate America their school system.
Most people in NK probably don't even know an America exists.
Also, look at the risks and costs in attacking NK and Iran:
America has an extremely large number of combat-ready troops extremely near Iran. To attack NK America would need to ship these troops a long way, which would take a lot of time and money.
NK has nukes. If America were to attack NK, NK would probably use those nukes.
Iran almost has nukes. Attacking them now is therefore much safer than it will be once they already have nukes. America attacks Iran in 5 years, when Iran has nukes = Israel nuked.
Also, China would get really antsy if America attacked NK, and right now we don't want to provoke China.
IMO, attacking NK is not an option.
With Iran we have three choices: distance ourselves from Israel (open the possibility of Israel being destroyed by letting Iran get nukes), somehow stop Iran from getting nukes through diplomatic channels (unlikely because all America's rivals want take America's place as the dominant power and so will support most things anti-American -- or will kiss Iran's ass for oil), or attack Iran.
Significant military action against North Korea isn't even in the cards. It would esily cause the death of many millions, and would surely draw China into things.... very, VERY bad.
Nobody of importance to my knowledge has seriously proposed the invasion of North Korea. It just aint gonna happen.
Nobody of importance to my knowledge has seriously proposed the invasion of North Korea. It just aint gonna happen.
the american army murdered a higher % of iraqi populatoin in 1-2 yr as compared to Saddam who murdered a lower % of population over a period of 10-15 years.
sorry, coudnt resist typing the above..
so basically your saying.. leave the countries who currently have nukes alone coz if US attacks them they might use their nukes.. and to concentrate on coutries developing nukes?
Attacking iran might result in more hatred against the Americans coz from the arab/iranian perspective:
1) US sides with Israel and provides them with weapons,etc
2) US isnt doing much about NK which posses nukes
attacking iran might result in birth of more terrorists which definatley isnt helping bush's "war on terror" is it?
an invasion of NK has you guys have said is unlikely i guess but bush needs to think of a more effective solution....
From the link in the first post of this thread , China is supporting iran and so attacking iran will again "draw china into things".... It'll again result in protests from muslims,etc and more terrorist threats....
Also, if US starts a job it must finish it... it hasnt solved the problems of Afghanistan / IRaq and hence it shoudnt bother attacking IRan... it really did a messy job in both countrdies and i dont think it'll do any better in Iraq under the leadership of Bush..
MidasKnight
Diamond Member
Yup.
Where are we going to get the troops? Are we going to just forget the whole Iraq and Afghanistan situations? No draft right? We are calling up people who have been out of the military for more than ten years, using our reservists that are meant to protect us here, over there, and not allowing some to leave even if their tours are complete. So, where will we get all these troops to take Iran down at the same time we handle Iraq and Afghanistan?
Just curious since you probably know much better than I.
Edit:
Hey, I know, we can do whatever the hell we want now right? Since we ain't no lakeys to them europeans, or anyone else for that matter, we could just nuke em. Sure, think of all the pansy liberal types around the world who would whine and moan because we did it, but whoTF cares right? Yeah, that's it. We could just cleanse the whole area in one fell swoop and send over the "freedom lovers" once it stops glowing!
IHateMyJob2004
Lifer
Wow. People that voted Bush never saw this coming. I have to laugh at this point.
sandorski
No Lifer
Many of us here(including OT) warned of this years ago. Before the Iraq War even before 9/11 the Bush Admin was wrecklessly destabilizing hard fought for International Cooperation and Agreements. Bush's lack of Diplomacy has opened a Pandoras Box. Expect increased Insecurity, Instability, and more death.
The only way for the US to invade Iran is to abandon Iraq and Iraq would descend into chaos almost as rapidly as US forces moved out.
The only way for the US to invade Iran is to abandon Iraq and Iraq would descend into chaos almost as rapidly as US forces moved out.
OneOfTheseDays
Diamond Member
If only America knew what the hell they were doing when they voted for Bush. I wish people who voted based on morality would take a step back and realize that the health of our nation and the world is at serious risk.
Even pre-emptive surgical strikes would be grounds for retaliation.
And it sure would be easy for Iran to retaliate, with a neighboring country in shambles occupied by the military force that attacked you.
I think military action of any kind against Iran would easily escalate the situation into Iraq.
And it sure would be easy for Iran to retaliate, with a neighboring country in shambles occupied by the military force that attacked you.
I think military action of any kind against Iran would easily escalate the situation into Iraq.
RabidMongoose
Lifer
Ummm.sure... 😕
If there is something in it for other countries then they will probably involve themselves.
RabidMongoose
Lifer
OK, then that might be the most devastating war ever fought 😉
dont think anyone would help US fight iran.. India, Pakistan and China will definately not.. it could harm their interest in building a oil pipeline from Iran to India besides harming their bilateral relations. 😛 .... and China is basically Iran's ally so they wont support it anyway... Ofcourse then theres always the possibility that Pakistan could be pressurized by US to support the war against Iran in which case Pakistan might have to do so but thats worst case scenario
Tony blair wont be able to support Bush coz he's already in trouble for helping bush invade Iraq. he woudnt wanna be thrown out of his office. LOL
BunLengthHotDog
Senior member
You can thank your precious Mr Jimmy Carter for the situation in North Korea. Never met a dictator he didnt like.
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