Iran warns Israel; NK to test missiles

[Aimster]

The Mullahs run Iran. They blocked thousands of reformers from running for election because they were part of the reform party. The President was elected and promised change in Iran, but all his actions were stiked down by main leader of Iran who holds the true power. This leader, the Ayatollah can do whatever he wants and all laws he can strike down which he does constantly. He is also taking back women's rights that the reform president has fought for. They cannot survive in power in a country that wants change without having an agenda. Their agenda is to protect Iranians from the Israeli "takeover" of the Middle East.
Their hate is directed at Israel for the Palestinian conflict. I don't understnad why since Iranians and Palestinians are two different groups of people and different sects of Islam where the majority of Arabs don't even recognize Ayatollahs. But when you are a billionare Ayatollah you would do anything to keep that power I guess. Iran doesn't even have good relations with the Arabs.

By the way when Israel attacks Iran then Iran will send their new missles into Israel and I am sure they have deployed weapons in Lebanese areas and they have also armed their thousand+ republican guard units there with ammo to strike the cities of Israel. A new war is coming, I wonder if we will be dragged into it. Some sources say Russia has deployed anti missle defenses around the construction of the nuclear reactors, but how reliable could they possibly be against current jets.

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Iran is a theocratic democracy. They elect their president. It's too bad we brought down their first democratic government and installed a dictator. I bet they would be on par w/ Israel's democracy if it wasn't overthrown.

0marTheZealot, huh?

I rest my case...

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Sasha
If I could dream a dream it would be for the USA to take its military budget for a couple of years, develope Fusion power, and break the oil bonds. Then, say good-bye to arab oil and let the world worry about their problems on their own. If it all goes to chaos maybe the will dwindle their numbers to be easily conquered, but after I have my fusion-powered super-Bimmer made in South Carolina.

Problem is, if we stop sending money over there, they'll get even more pissed off. I've considered isolationism too, but consider the impact of a missile from one of these pissed off countires hitting a fusion reactor operating at more than fifty million degrees. Regardless of what we do, everyone is going to be pissed though, so maybe we should just say screw em! and pull our boys back home.

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The one sure way to facilitate a negotiated settlement would be a regime change here at home... and even that might not work, given the damage already done- we might have to learn to live with a nuclear Iran and DPRK....

Are you suggesting that Iran and NK would put down their guns if Kerry is elected? You are hereby dubbed the liberal rhetoritician for this forum. :roll:

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Sasha
If I could dream a dream it would be for the USA to take its military budget for a couple of years, develope Fusion power, and break the oil bonds. Then, say good-bye to arab oil and let the world worry about their problems on their own. If it all goes to chaos maybe the will dwindle their numbers to be easily conquered, but after I have my fusion-powered super-Bimmer made in South Carolina.

We don't get the majority of our oil from the Middle East. Jordan, Kuwait, UAE, why shouldn't we buy our oil from them?
Letting the Arabs suffer will only create more terrorist and more reasons for people to hate. There are 900 million other Muslims out there who are not Arabs and when was the last time you heard of an Asian terrorist? an Indian terrorist? Bangledesh terrorist? Indonesian terrorist? You don't. Obviously something horrible is going on in the M.E and the problem needs to be fixed not made worse. It isn't religion. If it was religion then why are the other Muslim nations forgotten? I do agree that measures need to be taken against countries such as Saudi Arabia. We should sanction them, but that will never happen.
The solution is a peace between Israel/Palestine.

 

[Moonbeam]

My solution would be to inform China of our intention to slowly ratchet back and eventually suspend all trade at some future date if they do not end the nuclear threat in North Korea.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Sasha
If I could dream a dream it would be for the USA to take its military budget for a couple of years, develope Fusion power, and break the oil bonds. Then, say good-bye to arab oil and let the world worry about their problems on their own. If it all goes to chaos maybe the will dwindle their numbers to be easily conquered, but after I have my fusion-powered super-Bimmer made in South Carolina.

We don't get the majority of our oil from the Middle East. Jordan, Kuwait, UAE, why shouldn't we buy our oil from them?
Letting the Arabs suffer will only create more terrorist and more reasons for people to hate. There are 900 million other Muslims out there who are not Arabs and when was the last time you heard of an Asian terrorist? an Indian terrorist? Bangledesh terrorist? Indonesian terrorist? You don't. Obviously something horrible is going on in the M.E and the problem needs to be fixed not made worse. It isn't religion. If it was religion then why are the other Muslim nations forgotten? I do agree that measures need to be taken against countries such as Saudi Arabia. We should sanction them, but that will never happen.
The solution is a peace between Israel/Palestine.

You DON'T? Holy crap man, what cave did you just crawl out of??!

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
My solution would be to inform China of our intention to slowly ratchet back and eventually suspend all trade at some future date if they do not end the nuclear threat in North Korea.

Heh, just tell 'em we're going to force Wal-Mart to buy 100% of their goods domestically. That oughta put the feara god in them.

 

[AnImuS]

NK: The US must have Nk make the first move in disarming. We can try and get the other countries(China,Russia,Japan,SK) to sign a security pact to protect NK while they are dismantling their weapons. Should be enough to convince NK. Then from there we can continue with the terms of the agreement whatever it may be.


Iran: If the Europeans & UN council continue to go soft on Iran and nothing gets solved(which will most likely happen IMO) Then Israel will have no choice but to strike Iran. Inturn Iran will fire its sh*tty missiles at israel which will get blown up by Israel & US air defense systems. Some might hit Israel. I don't really see Iran sending a military army towards Israel. Which seems might confirm my opinion on why we invaded Iraq, because of this possible scenario.

 

[DealMonkey]

How's that missile defense system coming along? :laugh:

 

[Dangermouse33]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
My solution would be to inform China of our intention to slowly ratchet back and eventually suspend all trade at some future date if they do not end the nuclear threat in North Korea.

Heh, just tell 'em we're going to force Wal-Mart to buy 100% of their goods domestically. That oughta put the feara god in them.

hahaha nice one!

 

[Jhhnn]

From CycloWizard-

"Are you suggesting that Iran and NK would put down their guns if Kerry is elected? You are hereby dubbed the liberal rhetoritician for this forum."

My post says otherwise, even if you refuse to acknowledge it. The chest-thumping, bullying and pandering to domestic fears by the Bush Admin has only made the situation worse. There's little chance of any meaningful negotiation w/o regime change here at home, and, as I said, it may be too late for that, thanks to the fearmongering from the Whitehouse and the Republican Congress. It cut both ways- the other side is afraid, too, with more real reason than America will ever have- witness Iraq...

And, uhh, Omar the Zealot, Israel is a Democracy only in the terms that the Antebellum South was a Democracy based on a racially determined eligibility to vote- that determination in modern Israel is determined by one's Jewishness.

 

[phillyTIM]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Well somebody has emboldened the enemy. Now we have no credibility or troops left, they will do what they want. You reap what you sow.

Yes...let Bush bear the blood and responsibility for what he has done with his "preemptive war" and the knowledge & ideas other countries have acquired from it.

Let the ugliness and fury of it bear down on him for Election '04 so that Justice will be served.

 

[classy]

Its an empty threat. Cause if Iran pisses off Isarel, Isarel will just destroy that country. They'll kill everybody (citizens and troops), which in a way if they are my enemies, then I should kill them all.

 

[phillyTIM]

Israel needs to be castrated - for being a US-backed goon. Castration with that ONE nuke that Iran owns to black-eye Israel seems a fitting price to pay.

 

[Yolner]

Do you even know what castrate means?

Israel needs to be castrated - for being a US-backed goon. Castration with that ONE nuke that Iran owns to black-eye Israel seems a fitting price to pay.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Sasha
If I could dream a dream it would be for the USA to take its military budget for a couple of years, develope Fusion power, and break the oil bonds. Then, say good-bye to arab oil and let the world worry about their problems on their own. If it all goes to chaos maybe the will dwindle their numbers to be easily conquered, but after I have my fusion-powered super-Bimmer made in South Carolina.

We don't get the majority of our oil from the Middle East. Jordan, Kuwait, UAE, why shouldn't we buy our oil from them?
Letting the Arabs suffer will only create more terrorist and more reasons for people to hate. There are 900 million other Muslims out there who are not Arabs and when was the last time you heard of an Asian terrorist? an Indian terrorist? Bangledesh terrorist? Indonesian terrorist? You don't. Obviously something horrible is going on in the M.E and the problem needs to be fixed not made worse. It isn't religion. If it was religion then why are the other Muslim nations forgotten? I do agree that measures need to be taken against countries such as Saudi Arabia. We should sanction them, but that will never happen.
The solution is a peace between Israel/Palestine.

You DON'T? Holy crap man, what cave did you just crawl out of??!

I'm sure they have terrorist, but none of those countries have had any terrorist linked to the attacks against the U.S. The majority if not all of the attackers against the U.S are from Arab countries. You're right there might have been maybe one or two incidents on their own soil, but those countries number in the hundreds of millions while the Arab states only have a few million people each. Al Qaeda is all over the world and in every country, but Al Qaeda is mostly Arab. The top terrorist organizations are Arab while the Arabs do not even number half of the Muslim population. The minority are the majority of the terror. There are more Asian Muslims than Arab Muslims yet when an Asian goes to the airport I doubt they think twice to search him.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Israel needs to be castrated - for being a US-backed goon. Castration with that ONE nuke that Iran owns to black-eye Israel seems a fitting price to pay.

You really are that stupid aren't you?

-Max

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Israel needs to be castrated - for being a US-backed goon. Castration with that ONE nuke that Iran owns to black-eye Israel seems a fitting price to pay.

You really are that stupid aren't you?

-Max

Yes he is.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: classy
Its an empty threat. Cause if Iran pisses off Isarel, Isarel will just destroy that country. They'll kill everybody (citizens and troops), which in a way if they are my enemies, then I should kill them all.

Only if they want to engage in a world war would they do something so foolhardy. And with the size of that country, it won't take much to knock them out of existence

 

[Dimkaumd]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Here's my suggestions:

Israel: Stop blindly supporting Israel, stop aiding them militarily (they can buy our military gear at the same price as every other ally), stop with the endless loans and political cover for their activities in the occupied territories. In other words, divest ourselves as much as humanly possible. Israel is tough enough and armed to the teeth sufficiently to deal with any potential regional threat without our assistance or involvement.

North Korea: Sit down at the negotiating table and slap down a non-aggression treaty in exchange for them giving up their nuke programs and existing weapons (if they have them) along with ongoing scrutiny and unfettered access for the IAEA inspection teams. We can toss in some humanitarian aid to sweeten the deal if need be.

Iran: Work through existing International agencies to pressure Iran which includes getting the UN Security Council involved to lay down some resolutions if Iran does not comply with IAEA and UN demands. We need to ratchet up the pressure, both economic and political.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
My solution would be to inform China of our intention to slowly ratchet back and eventually suspend all trade at some future date if they do not end the nuclear threat in North Korea.

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
How's that missile defense system coming along? :laugh:

It was shooting 60% a few years ago when we started building it. Should be quite a bit improved by now.

Jhhnn: Bush has already started the longest-standing multilateral talks with NK ever - they've been going on for years. How is Kerry going to do better? Tell me how and maybe you're not spouting rhetoric. Until then, that's all you're doing.

 

[phillyTIM]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Israel needs to be castrated - for being a US-backed goon. Castration with that ONE nuke that Iran owns to black-eye Israel seems a fitting price to pay.

You really are that stupid aren't you?

-Max

Yes he is.

Too bad you guys "really are that" blind.

Now take your cookies and go away.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: SillyTIM

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Israel needs to be castrated - for being a US-backed goon. Castration with that ONE nuke that Iran owns to black-eye Israel seems a fitting price to pay.

You really are that stupid aren't you?

-Max

Yes he is.

Too bad you guys "really are that" blind.

Now take your cookies and go away.

Blind? How can that be when we see you for exactly what you are, a childish reactionary without a clue!

 

[Dimkaumd]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Here's my suggestions:

Israel: Stop blindly supporting Israel, stop aiding them militarily (they can buy our military gear at the same price as every other ally), stop with the endless loans and political cover for their activities in the occupied territories. In other words, divest ourselves as much as humanly possible. Israel is tough enough and armed to the teeth sufficiently to deal with any potential regional threat without our assistance or involvement.

North Korea: Sit down at the negotiating table and slap down a non-aggression treaty in exchange for them giving up their nuke programs and existing weapons (if they have them) along with ongoing scrutiny and unfettered access for the IAEA inspection teams. We can toss in some humanitarian aid to sweeten the deal if need be.

Iran: Work through existing International agencies to pressure Iran which includes getting the UN Security Council involved to lay down some resolutions if Iran does not comply with IAEA and UN demands. We need to ratchet up the pressure, both economic and political.

There are flaws with your arguements. First you say stop blindly supporting Israel. We must take into account that Israel is literally one of our closest allies. They help with us with a lot of military development, give us intelligence, and support us with the war on terror. Furthermore they are the only true democracy in the region. If you scrutinize Israel's 56 year history, they have been attacked by their Arab neighbors several times including on their 1st day of Independance. There were 4 major wars which Israel miraculously won, but if you look carefully, Israel has not been invaded by another country since Israel aquired Nuclear weapons nor has Israel done anything to put its nuclear weapons in danger. We should continue supporting israel and putting pressure on irresponsible countries like Iran and N.K. to stop producing WMDs.

Secondly all your points on N.K. are fascinating. You say it as if it hasnt been tried. Thats precisely what has been happenings for yearsnow. We have been negotiating with them forever, giving them aid and they have been just threatening us and continuing their weapons production. I am not recommending any type of serious action against them at this time, but we should be ready and prepared that such a time may come.

 

[Jhhnn]

From CycloWizard-

"Jhhnn: Bush has already started the longest-standing multilateral talks with NK ever - they've been going on for years. How is Kerry going to do better? Tell me how and maybe you're not spouting rhetoric. Until then, that's all you're doing."

These "talks" have never been and will likely never be anything other than a platform for Neocon bullying and demands, so long as GWB is at the helm. The number of days actually spent in talks is miniscule. The notion that the Bush Admin actually intends to negotiate is laughable- they have the DPRK right where they want them- a strawman threat crucified for the glorification of NMD, a convenient boogeyman they can point to as required...