Iran uses 'surrogates' for attacks in Iraq: US commander

Zebo

Elite Member
Jul 29, 2001
39,398
19
81
WASHINGTON, June 22, 2006 (AFP) - The United States accused Iran Thursday of being a major destabilizing force in Iraq, accusing Tehran of training and arming insurgent groups and using "surrogates" to carry out terrorist strikes.

"It's decidedy unhelpful," the top US commander in Iraq, General George Casey, told reporters at a Pentagon news conference with US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Casey said that he had no evidence of Iranians actually in Iraq directing attacks against Iraqis or US forces, but said that he assumed elements in Tehran were guiding the process.

"We are quite confident that the Iranians, through their covert special operations forces, are providing weapons, IED technology and training to Shi'a extremist groups in Iraq, the training being conducted in Iran and in some cases probably in Lebanon through their surrogates," he said.

"They are using surrogates to conduct terrorist operations in Iraq both against us and against the Iraqi people," he said.
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7693

-------------------

It's decidedy unhelpful???? My goodness talk about appeasment, an understament ,our men are getting blown apart and he calls it "unhelpful", I guess he got the memo from Bush they are our new buddies. I'd never fight under these clowns.
 

CaptnKirk

Lifer
Jul 25, 2002
10,053
0
71
Casey said that he had no evidence of Iranians actually in Iraq directing attacks against Iraqis or US forces, but said that he assumed elements in Tehran were guiding the process.

"We are quite confident that the Iranians, through their covert special operations forces, are providing weapons, IED technology and training to Shi'a extremist groups in Iraq, the training being conducted in Iran and in some cases probably in Lebanon through their surrogates," he said.



Well, that puts it in perspective. We got to stop them before they get to all of the WMD's that are there.
 

Zebo

Elite Member
Jul 29, 2001
39,398
19
81
Captn- this is Vietnam all over. Carbon copy.

Powerful northern neighbor who we can't attack supports insugency - "advisors", materials and know how. I think China got it's nukes while VN was going down too. Iran will too.
 

Todd33

Diamond Member
Oct 16, 2003
7,842
2
81
We labeled them on the axis of evil with Iraq, why should they not support an anti-American insurgency? Mr. President meet blow-back.

I'm not supporting Iran, but you cannot expect the US to run around the world acting like John Wayne and not expect this.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,791
6,351
126
"no evidence" "assumes" not exactly concrete evidence. Although if the Bush Admin would have used these terms they wouldn't be criticized so much now.
 

Zebo

Elite Member
Jul 29, 2001
39,398
19
81
Mr. President meet blow-back.

There is an excellent article by Pat B says Just that too.

An Idea Whose Time Has Come?
by Patrick J. Buchanan

In 1938, the year of Anschluss and Munich, a perceptive British Catholic looked beyond the continent over which war clouds hung and saw another cloud forming.

"It has always seemed to me ? probable," wrote Hilaire Belloc, "that there would be a resurrection of Islam and that our sons or our grandsons would see the renewal of that tremendous struggle between the Christian culture and what has been for more than a thousand years its greatest opponent."

Belloc was prophetic. Even as Christianity seems to be dying in Europe, Islam is rising to shake the 21st century as it did so many previous centuries.

Indeed, as one watches U.S. armed forces struggle against Sunni insurgents, Shia militias, and jihadists in Iraq, and a resurgent Taliban, all invoking Allah, Victor Hugo's words return to mind: No army is so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

The idea for which our many of our adversaries fight is a compelling one. They believe there is but one God, Allah; that Muhammad is his prophet; that Islam, or submission to the Koran, is the only path to paradise; and that a Godly society should be governed according to the Shariah, the law of Islam. Having tried other ways and failed, they are coming home to Islam.

What idea do we have to offer? Americans believe that freedom comports with human dignity, that only a democratic and free-market system can ensure the good life for all, as it has done in the West and is doing in Asia.

From Ataturk on, millions of Islamic peoples have embraced this Western alternative. But today, tens of millions of Muslims appear to be rejecting it, returning to their roots in a more pure Islam.

Indeed, the endurance of the Islamic faith is astonishing.

Islam survived two centuries of defeats and humiliations of the Ottoman Empire and Ataturk's abolition of the caliphate. It endured generations of Western rule. It outlasted the pro-Western monarchs in Egypt, Iraq, Libya, Ethiopia and Iran. Islam easily fended off communism, survived the rout of Nasserism in 1967, and has proven more enduring than the nationalism of Arafat or Saddam. Now, it is resisting the world's last superpower.

What occasioned this column was a jolting report in the June 20 Washington Times, by James Brandon, alerting us to a new front.

"Arrests Spark Fear of Armed Islamist Takeover" headlined the story about the arrest, since May, of 500 militants who had allegedly plotted the overthrow of the king of Morocco and establishment of an Islamic state that would sever all ties to the infidel West ? to end the poverty and corruption they blame on the West.

The arrests raised fears that al-Adl wa al-Ihsane, or Justice and Charity, was preparing to take up arms to fulfill the predictions of the group's mystics that the monarchy would fall in 2006. Though illegal, al-Adl wa al-Ihsane is Morocco's largest Islamic movement, which boycotts elections, but has hundreds of thousands of followers and has taken over the universities and is radicalizing the young.

Its founder is Sheik Abdessalam Yassine, who has declared its purpose is to reunite mosque and state: "Politics and spirituality have been kept apart by the Arab elites. And we have been able to reconnect these two aspects of Islam ? and that is why people fear us."

And, one might add, why people embrace them.

If Morocco is now in play in the struggle between militant Islam and the West, how looks the correlation of forces in June 2006?

Islamists are taking over in Somalia. They are in power in Sudan. The Muslim Brotherhood won 60 percent of the races it contested in Egypt. Hezbollah swept the board in southern Lebanon. Hamas seized power from Fatah on the West Bank and Gaza. The Shia parties who hearken to Ayatollah Sistani brushed aside our favorites, Chalabi and Iyad Allawi, in the Iraqi elections. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the most admired Iranian leader since Khomeini. In Afghanistan, the Taliban is staging a comeback.

This has all happened in the last year. And where are we winning?

What is the appeal of militant Islam? It is, first, its message: As all else has failed us, why not live the faith and law God gave us?

Second, it is the Muslim rage at the present condition where pro-Western regimes are seen as corruptly enriching themselves, while the poor suffer.

Third, it is a vast U.S. presence that Islamic peoples are taught is designed to steal their God-given resources and assist the Israelis in humiliating them and persecuting the Palestinians.

Lastly, Islamic militants are gaining credibility because they show a willingness to share the poverty of the poor and fight the Americans.

What America needs to understand is something unusual for us: From Morocco to Pakistan, we are no longer seen by the majority as the good guys.


If Islamic rule is an idea taking hold among the Islamic masses, how does even the best army on earth stop it? Do we not need a new policy?

COPYRIGHT CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.
 

smashp

Platinum Member
Aug 30, 2003
2,443
0
0
Pat Buchanan is such a Defeatist, cut and run, french-loving, flamming Liberal That it sickens me.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
74,768
6,770
126
Originally posted by: smashp
Pat Buchanan is such a Defeatist, cut and run, french-loving, flamming Liberal That it sickens me.
Yup, a real man butts his head on a wall until he's dead. Giving up before that is cowardly. You must persevere even when it's obviously stupid.

The definition of a fool is somebody who thinks that by repeating the same action over and over again somehow there will be different results.

 

rickn

Diamond Member
Oct 15, 1999
7,064
0
0
Originally posted by: Zebo
WASHINGTON, June 22, 2006 (AFP) - The United States accused Iran Thursday of being a major destabilizing force in Iraq, accusing Tehran of training and arming insurgent groups and using "surrogates" to carry out terrorist strikes.

"It's decidedy unhelpful," the top US commander in Iraq, General George Casey, told reporters at a Pentagon news conference with US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Casey said that he had no evidence of Iranians actually in Iraq directing attacks against Iraqis or US forces, but said that he assumed elements in Tehran were guiding the process.

"We are quite confident that the Iranians, through their covert special operations forces, are providing weapons, IED technology and training to Shi'a extremist groups in Iraq, the training being conducted in Iran and in some cases probably in Lebanon through their surrogates," he said.

"They are using surrogates to conduct terrorist operations in Iraq both against us and against the Iraqi people," he said.
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7693

-------------------

It's decidedy unhelpful???? My goodness talk about appeasment, an understament ,our men are getting blown apart and he calls it "unhelpful", I guess he got the memo from Bush they are our new buddies. I'd never fight under these clowns.


Like America had any business being in Iraq in the first place. It baffles me how we are the aggressor, we invaded a country, yet we try and pawn off some lame brain excuse that Iran is the destabilizing force. Only a person with a 3rd grade education would buy into that one. Iran is their neighbor, a neighbor occupied by their enemy, America. Geez, I wonder why they're meddling :roll:
 

ahurtt

Diamond Member
Feb 1, 2001
4,283
0
0
Wow. . .Isn't this just exactly the kind of propaganda and lies the letter from the recently deceased leader of Al-Quaeda in Iraq said that they would be trying to spread in order to draw the US into conflict with Iran? Maybe Casey didn't get the memo. . .

In general and despite the current bleak situation, we think that the best suggestions in order to get out of this crisis is to entangle the American forces into another war against another country or with another of our enemy force, that is to try and inflame the situation between American and Iran or between America and the Shi'a in general.

Specifically the Sistani Shi'a, since most of the support that the Americans are getting is from the Sistani Shi'a, then, there is a possibility to instill differences between them and to weaken the support line between them; in addition to the losses we can inflict on both parties. Consequently, to embroil America in another war against another enemy is the answer that we find to be the most appropriate, and to have a war through a delegate has the following benefits:

Taken from here
 

Polish3d

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2005
5,500
0
0
Sounds to me like if we can establish a reasonably democratic pro-western self-elected moderate governement in Iraq, where the people see that "all else" has not failed, and that there is an alternative to the autocratic elites in which the people can participate in and be both pious and prosperous, we will have potentially done a great deal to stem an even more severe tide.

And if the disaffected masses see successful self-rule in Iraq, they may turn to the idealogy of democracy instead of Islamic extremism.


We should all be hoping for the outcome I described. Some of you ought to look beyond your own unhappiness and dissatisfaction and subsequent dislike for your society and recognize larger issues at stake; speaking to those who know privately to themselves that they are hoping to some degree for Iraq to collapse totally
 

rickn

Diamond Member
Oct 15, 1999
7,064
0
0
Originally posted by: Frackal
Sounds to me like if we can establish a reasonably democratic pro-western self-elected moderate governement in Iraq, where the people see that "all else" has not failed, and that there is an alternative to the autocratic elites in which the people can participate in and be both pious and prosperous, we will have potentially done a great deal to stem an even more severe tide.

And if the disaffected masses see successful self-rule in Iraq, they may turn to the idealogy of democracy instead of Islamic extremism.


We should all be hoping for the outcome I described. Some of you ought to look beyond your own unhappiness and dissatisfaction and subsequent dislike for your society and recognize larger issues at stake; speaking to those who know privately to themselves that they are hoping to some degree for Iraq to collapse totally

I do hope Iraq succeeds in some form of democracy, hopefully not modeled like ours. They should find their own way, for their own culture. However, trying to blame Iran for the mess in Iraq is rediculous. They probably haven't been very helpful, but you really can't blame them. The US is not exactly friendly towards them, and the sunni's persecuted the Shia.
 

Polish3d

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2005
5,500
0
0
I didnt see anyone wholly blaming Iran, but if Iran is arming insurgents, they are acting in their own interest and killing innocent civilians as well as our troops, and hoping to prevent the majority of Iraqis who voted from being able to self-govern in a democratic fashion.

That some of you try to excuse or "understand" Iran's behavior by saying "oh well look what you get Mr President when you say Axis of Evil" need to get some mother-****** perspective QUICKLY.


(Note: It's fine and good to make the point that Bush's actions MAY have, MAAAAAAAAAAY have contributed to Iran's actions ... but to claim that it is the primary motivator is simply a demonstration of stupidity in my view, as is the claim that "oh well what do you expect when we've been so mean to Iran, of course they're going to attempt to kill our soldiers and innocent Iraqis, can you blame them?" )

Yeah, you can. Remember their root motivation is to maintain their own rule.
 

Todd33

Diamond Member
Oct 16, 2003
7,842
2
81
Originally posted by: Frackal
Remember their root motivation is to maintain their own rule.

Wait, which government are you referring to?

If it were not for oil we'd have zero interest in the region. If it were not for oil Iran would be a poverty ridden piece of dirt with a few tribes.
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
16,129
2
0
Iranfocus.com is run by a propaganda group against the Iranian regime. MEK supports/members.

There is zero evidence of Iran doing anything inside Iraq. No evidence at all.
 

Polish3d

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2005
5,500
0
0
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Frackal
Remember their root motivation is to maintain their own rule.

Wait, which government are you referring to?

If it were not for oil we'd have zero interest in the region. If it were not for oil Iran would be a poverty ridden piece of dirt with a few tribes.

So what? Stop your whining about the US govt for 5 secs and focus on the topic of discussion or GTFO
 

Todd33

Diamond Member
Oct 16, 2003
7,842
2
81
Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Frackal
Remember their root motivation is to maintain their own rule.

Wait, which government are you referring to?

If it were not for oil we'd have zero interest in the region. If it were not for oil Iran would be a poverty ridden piece of dirt with a few tribes.

So what? Stop your whining about the US govt for 5 secs and focus on the topic of discussion or GTFO

On topic? All your responses are whining and so called whining. No one here is whining but you. The situation is FUBAR and saying that Iran is acting against the US is like saying water is wet, duh. Iran is next door and have more interest in Iraq than we ever will have.

I'm waiting for you to start calling people traitors, you have a little Coulter in you just screaming to get out.

 

FrancesBeansRevenge

Platinum Member
Jun 6, 2001
2,181
0
0
Originally posted by: Frackal
they are acting in their own interest

And that is different from the US how? :roll:

Should Iran sit back and allow the US, a country with a history of internal meddling in Iran, to install a satellite state next door?

What would the US have done if the Soviet Union invaded Mexico and set-up a 'Moscow friendly' government?

 

FrancesBeansRevenge

Platinum Member
Jun 6, 2001
2,181
0
0
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
The United States accused Iran Thursday of being a major destabilizing force in Iraq...
Heh, and in comparison, our invasion was... ? :roll:

It was a gift of light and good from the great, saintly, generous people of the United States.
Is it our fault these people can't recognize we know whats best for the world and won't just start toeing the American line?
 

Polish3d

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2005
5,500
0
0
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Frackal
Remember their root motivation is to maintain their own rule.

Wait, which government are you referring to?

If it were not for oil we'd have zero interest in the region. If it were not for oil Iran would be a poverty ridden piece of dirt with a few tribes.

So what? Stop your whining about the US govt for 5 secs and focus on the topic of discussion or GTFO

On topic? All your responses are whining and so called whining. No one here is whining but you. The situation is FUBAR and saying that Iran is acting against the US is like saying water is wet, duh. Iran is next door and have more interest in Iraq than we ever will have.

I'm waiting for you to start calling people traitors, you have a little Coulter in you just screaming to get out.


How old are you?
 

Polish3d

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2005
5,500
0
0
Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
Originally posted by: Frackal
they are acting in their own interest

And that is different from the US how? :roll:

Should Iran sit back and allow the US, a country with a history of internal meddling in Iran, to install a satellite state next door?

What would the US have done if the Soviet Union invaded Mexico and set-up a 'Moscow friendly' government?

I addressed your viewpoint/apology for Iranian actions already
 

FrancesBeansRevenge

Platinum Member
Jun 6, 2001
2,181
0
0
Originally posted by: Frackal

I addressed your viewpoint/apology for Iranian actions already[/quote]

Great, so you already agree that Iran is doing nothing the United States wouldn't do, or haven't already done.

Do you travel outside the US often? Are you aware how much hatred and distrust our hubristic hypocrisy is creating among the populations of our tradtional allies let alone among those already predisposed to hate us?

If we maintain our present course it won't only be the hatred by Islamic militants we'll have to worry about.