Iran threatens action if U.S. carrier returns

[EagleKeeper]

lol really?

You don't suppose the US being the only superpower running around invading foreign countries has anything to do with that stat?

You don't think any other countries are capable of doing what you did in Iraq?

Maybe one day, you will get a chance to see another country use the US pre-empt excuse.

I'm thinking you will probably change your tune and condemn the offending nation

The number of countries that might have the capability can be counted on two hands. China, N Korea, Russia, Germany, England, US, Israel, ?Saudi?

Then the ability to get the needed forces to the location can be reduced to two fingers. Russia and the US.

The others did not have the heavy lift capacity to move their forces from their primary staging ares to Iraq.

Remember, at the time of GWI, Iraq was stated to have between #3 and #5 largest/capable army in terms of manpower and equipment.

 

[Orignal Earl]

And where do you see him approving of the recent wars?

It's a simple statement.

Yes, it was a very simple statement.

 

[EagleKeeper]

lol really?

You don't suppose the US being the only superpower running around invading foreign countries has anything to do with that stat?

You don't think any other countries are capable of doing what you did in Iraq?

Maybe one day, you will get a chance to see another country use the US pre-empt excuse.

I'm thinking you will probably change your tune and condemn the offending nation

I believe the the Soviets started with the preempt excuse and China has also fine tuned it.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Remember, at the time of GWI, Iraq was stated to have between #3 and #5 largest/capable army in terms of manpower and equipment.

Yep, and that's why the US would not dare step into Iraq even with the whole of NATO power behind them.
Then after years and years of sanctions, the US begged for some help to go in and invade.

The Brits went in and did most of the dirty work on the ground side, with very few people.
And the US did what it does best.
Send in the cruise missles

 

[bruceb]

Let Iran try something and we will respond in force, as should have been a long time ago. Iran can not win any confrontation with US forces. We can get them with cruise missles, or with weapons from aircraft.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I believe the the Soviets started with the preempt excuse and China has also fine tuned it.

I remember back in the old days when China and Russia were condemned by the US for such things

Now I guess the US is using a *if you can't beat them, join them* approach

Its ok to lock citizens up without trail, internet censorship ain't that bad, sheesh the Chinese have had it for years

 

[Nebor]

The Brits went in and did most of the dirty work on the ground side, with very few people.
And the US did what it does best.
Send in the cruise missles

Wow, that's not how I remember it at all. Reference: Race to Baghdad, One Bullet Away, Generation Kill, etc.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Yep, and that's why the US would not dare step into Iraq even with the whole of NATO power behind them.
Then after years and years of sanctions, the US begged for some help to go in and invade.

The Brits went in and did most of the dirty work on the ground side, with very few people.
And the US did what it does best.
Send in the cruise missles

Politics was the issue, not the military capabilities.
3 months of solid air power poundings destroyed the capability and will of the Iraq forces.
Armour was at the gates of Baghdad within 1 week of rolling across the Kuwait border. Then they were ordered to stop - not in the initial UN agreement.

You must be confusing GW1 and GW2.

Or are you not old enough to determine the difference?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Wow, that's not how I remember it at all. Reference: Race to Baghdad, One Bullet Away, Generation Kill, etc.

I'm not saying the US did not use ground forces, of course they did.
Very large numbers actually.. that's how the US mil rolls

What I'm saying is, that the Brits accomplished a lot more, with a lot less people.
Same as in Afghanistan

 

[Orignal Earl]

You must be confusing GW1 and GW2.

Nope, I'm just not filled with American propaganda

Or are you not old enough to determine the difference?

I watched the Vietnam war on TV

 

[96Firebird]

I watched the Vietnam war on TV

The History Channel had some great documentaries on it, especially Vietnam in HD!

 

[IndyColtsFan]

lol really?

You don't suppose the US being the only superpower running around invading foreign countries has anything to do with that stat?

You don't think any other countries are capable of doing what you did in Iraq?

I'm sorry, do you have a point? I don't recall this being a discussion regarding which countries could or could not go in and steamroll a country like Iraq.

To recap, I was responding to your silly point about the US having its "nose bloodied" and implying that it was an issue with the US military, which it wasn't -- as many have pointed out, it was a political issue.

Maybe one day, you will get a chance to see another country use the US pre-empt excuse.I'm thinking you will probably change your tune and condemn the offending nation

What kind of assinine statement is that? Who said I supported what the US did in Iraq? I've said numerous times that it was wrong.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Make no mistake -- the US military is unmatched in its ability to rapidly annhilate and conquer its adversaries. The difficulty is when you ask it to occupy and build nations, which it wasn't really equipped to do.

Ok
When you said the US mil is unmatched in ability to rapidly annhilate and conquer.
I took it to mean that the US is unmatched in its ability to annhilate and conquer.

Which of course is not right.

And yes, when the US loses a battle, its because of the politicians, and when they have a victory its because of the mil.
Really can't lose that way

 

[Orignal Earl]

The History Channel had some great documentaries on it, especially Vietnam in HD!

I meant as it was happening.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Ok
When you said the US mil is unmatched in ability to rapidly annhilate and conquer.
I took it to mean that the US is unmatched in its ability to annhilate and conquer.

Show me another military who can completely and totally overwhelm an enemy anywhere in the world as quickly as the US can. The answer is -- no one can, as EagleKeeper pointed out. Sure, other countries can conquer and annhilate enemy forces, but none can as quickly and efficiently as the US can ANYWHERE in the world.

Which of course is not right.

See above.

And yes, when the US loses a battle, its because of the politicians, and when they have a victory its because of the mil.
Really can't lose that way

You see, with guys like you, there is no winning. If the US invades and rolls over everyone and everything, people like you scream "Murderers!" or something to that effect. If the US uses painstaking caution to avoid collateral damage, you laugh about "getting their noses bloodied." Looks like you're the one that "can't lose" as you have something to complain about with every contingency.

By the way, that is the main difference between the US and a Russia or China (and someone like Israel as well). Assuming Russia or China could deploy force in the numbers and timeframe the US can (they can't), they'd steamroll opponents with zero consideration for civilian casualties, infrastructure damage, etc.

 

[dmcowen674]

Let Iran try something and we will respond in force

With what force? Iran knows all the troops were sent home.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Show me another military who can completely and totally overwhelm an enemy anywhere in the world as quickly as the US can.

Well, you know I can't right.
When Russia or China or Brits or France do some invading, then I suppose I will be able too

Assuming Russia or China could deploy force in the numbers and timeframe the US can (they can't), they'd steamroll opponents with zero consideration for civilian casualties, infrastructure damage, etc.

Oh, would they?
Because they are the bad guys?
I remember a lot of videos hitting the net about little consideration for civilians.


How's that reconstruction of Iraq coming along anyways?, have the millions of refugees returned?
Did kind considerate loving America, bring those poor folks over and set them up proper?
Na....
Those civies just don't know how good they got it.

 

[sactoking]

The US has, overall, a considerable advantage over any other single country in combined naval, air, and ground force capabilities. These advantages have rarely been outright tested.

Most modern military actions consist of at least one side being comprised of quasi-military fighters (Al Qaeda, Somali warlords, etc) that have no qualms about targeting civilians and using civilians as cover. This dynamic makes "traditional" military action much less tenable.

However, should Iran attack a US carrier group in an "unprovoked" manner the military response could likely mirror Desert Storm much more than Afghanistan since the response would be an eliination of the Iranian regime and not a subset of its people. If, as some people have suggested, Iran is stupid enough to use any nuclear weapons they may allegedly have not only would that possibly trigger an in-kind response from the US but the use of nuclear weapons would also draw probably Canada, England, France, Germany, and Israel into the mix as well as whatever the UN would contribute.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Oh, would they?
Because they are the bad guys?
I remember a lot of videos hitting the net about little consideration for civilians.

Did I say they were the bad guys? Not at all. War is serious business and if you commit to war, you should go all out and do it right. Unreasonably restricting your military for political reasons is asking for a disaster (see: Vietnam).

How's that reconstruction of Iraq coming along anyways?, have the millions of refugees returned?

Ah, I see you're pulling stuff from your ass again, as I clearly stated that invading Iraq was wrong and indefensible.

Did kind considerate loving America, bring those poor folks over and set them up proper?
Na....
Those civies just don't know how good they got it.

You mean as opposed to indiscriminately bombing huge areas as some countries would? Damn you America for letting them live in their own countries!!!

Again, since you can't seem to grasp this, I'll repeat it. The Iraq War was wrong. The Afghanistan War, however was not wrong but was completely bungled.

Did I see somewhere that you're in Canada? Figures. Maybe Canada can send its one ship and two tanks to help us blockade Iran or something?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Did I say they were the bad guys? Not at all. War is serious business and if you commit to war, you should go all out and do it right. Unreasonably restricting your military for political reasons is asking for a disaster (see: Vietnam).



Ah, I see you're pulling stuff from your ass again, as I clearly stated that invading Iraq was wrong and indefensible.



You mean as opposed to indiscriminately bombing huge areas as some countries would? Damn you America for letting them live in their own countries!!!

Again, since you can't seem to grasp this, I'll repeat it. The Iraq War was wrong. The Afghanistan War, however was not wrong but was completely bungled.

Did I see somewhere that you're in Canada? Figures. Maybe Canada can send its one ship and two tanks to help us blockade Iran or something?

*You mean as opposed to indiscriminately bombing huge areas as some countries would? *
Because the other countries are bad guys right? And we seen this, like in WW2
lol

Yes nvm, you don't get it.
I can tell with your closing Canada comment.
That's what I would expect from some high schooler, are you a high schooler?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

*You mean as opposed to indiscriminately bombing huge areas as some countries would? *
Because the other countries are bad guys right? And we seen this, like in WW2

Yes, we "seen" (or as we like to say, correctly, "saw") this in WW2. Which, by the way, was the last time the US fought a war in which the political establishment didn't overly burden the military. I had an entire paragraph dedicated to WW2 in an earlier post but I believe I snipped it out. Unfortunate, too.

Again, please point to where I said China and Russia were "bad guys." I want an exact quote.

Yes nvm, you don't get it.
I can tell with your closing Canada comment.

You're right, I don't get your point and from the looks of things, no one else does either. Every "argument" you've made has been shot down.

EDIT: Ah yes, it was your contention that China or Russia would "step in" and somehow protect Iran, which is ridiculous and debunked over and over again.

 

[RPD]

*You mean as opposed to indiscriminately bombing huge areas as some countries would? *
Because the other countries are bad guys right? And we seen this, like in WW2
lol

Yes nvm, you don't get it.
I can tell with your closing Canada comment.
That's what I would expect from some high schooler, are you a high schooler?

This added absolutely nothing to the conversation at hand.

 

[Karl Agathon]

Hmmm, first Iran threatened to block the straits. They didnt do anything. Then they threaten action ff the U.S. carrier were to return. They seem to do a alot of threatening and chest thumping, but no action. I wonder what the odds are that Iran fires the first shot at the carrier. Better yet, I wonder just how long the Iranian navy continues to exist once they fire that first shot? a few days? A week? This is nothing but brinkmanship on Irans part imho. Of course, I could be wrong and they might actually be batshit crazy and actually think they would win a naval war with the U.S.

 

[Darwin333]

Lol @ some of you guys arguing....

Iran is in a pickle right now. The people or Iran have seen their savings (I assume) their paychecks reduced by over a third basically overnight. Thats one hell of a kick in the nuts for an average joe from ANY country. There are runs on banks and the currency exchanges have basically shut done. China has reduced its Iranian oil imports by half and thats before any real sanctions have even hit, just the threat of them.

Iran's politicians have to say something to sort of appease the people.

 

[CPA]

Damn Obama and the Liberal Warhawks!