Iran threatens action if U.S. carrier returns

[Atreus21]

Are you trying to say Iraq never happened?

P&N did not even exist before Bush declared a false war in Iraq for Weapons of Mass Destruction that did not exist.

It was for the oil just as this stand off with Iran is for the oil.

Where's all the oil we plundered?

 

[Orignal Earl]

LOL, Iran's "Navy" is a joke. The US Navy is larger than the next 13 navies combined. Good luck with this threat, Iran.

You keep building them floating fortresses, it looks like the rest of the world will concentrate on little missles to take them out.

A lot more cost effective and well you know..smart

 

[Modelworks]

I think some people are missing the point, you are thinking war where we sink Iranian ships , send in a bunch of carriers and it is all over, this isn't about that kind of threat. Iran is located next to the main pathway the ships must travel, along that route the path the tankers must follow narrows to a distance of just 34 miles. 34 miles might seem like a lot but also consider the tankers cannot use that entire opening, instead they use about 5-6 miles of it. Iran doesn't have to stage an all out war to cripple that pathway, they can send 1 plane a day to drop bombs and that will end shipments. Would you as a tanker captain even entertain the idea of carrying millions of gallons of oil, highly flammable, through an area that is targeted ? Or Iran can mine the entire area requiring it to be cleared taking months to complete.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

not that iran has the tech to even hit a moving target... but if they tried.. they'd take out everything else in the gulf, including neighboring countries... even they're not stupid enough to use a nuke.

Nukes aren't that strong, and there are varying sizes to them...

 

[Orignal Earl]

Where's all the oil we plundered?

That's just too simple isn't it?
Let's see, I did not get any free gas, so therefore we did not invade for anything to do with oil.

You don't suppose there could be a little more to it?

edit- Oh, I got to ask, why do you think you invaded Iraq?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You keep building them floating fortresses, it looks like the rest of the world will concentrate on little missles to take them out.

A lot more cost effective and well you know..smart

Maybe you should look at the US Navy anti-missile capabilities that's onboard all the current ships..

 

[airdata]

us lies and propaganda in full swing, including blaming iran for 9/11.

iran should have a little bit of fun with these baseless threats, right?
you have your normal mental midgets like zane eating it all up!

but don't worry, we'll lie our way into stealing / controlling more of their oil, similar to the 1950's. all wars in the middle east are for oil, afterall. thanks for admitting that, neocon bolton! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

LOL..

Trying to link Iran to 911? Really? If that court ruling is legit, so is the one in which Bush and Cheney were found guilty of war crimes.

 

[MotF Bane]

Not that Iran has nukes, but wouldn't just one take the entire battle group out easily?

Depends on the exact size, but probably not. A warhead-sized nuke would be logically centered on the carrier, the outer ring vessels would probably be fine. Of course, once that is done, the carrier is gone, the battle group is of very little use without the carrier, and then America creates a new parking lot somewhere in retaliation.

 

[guyver01]

You keep building them floating fortresses, it looks like the rest of the world will concentrate on little missles to take them out.

that's why they're covered with these

 

[Orignal Earl]

Maybe you should look at the US Navy anti-missile capabilities that's onboard all the current ships..

I did.
And then I looked up how other countries would deal with that.

Look at it this way, look at all the military toys that get put on the shelf because someone came up with a simple countermeasure.

Wasn't it Kosovo, where they simply put microwave ovens out in the middle of nowhere, and we wasted million dollar bombs destroying them

 

[Atreus21]

That's just too simple isn't it?
Let's see, I did not get any free gas, so therefore we did not invade for anything to do with oil.

You don't suppose there could be a little more to it?

edit- Oh, I got to ask, why do you think you invaded Iraq?

Perhaps because we needed a staging ground for the war on terror. Not saying it was a good idea, but I get so tired of the war-for-oil foolishness.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

You keep building them floating fortresses, it looks like the rest of the world will concentrate on little missles to take them out.

A lot more cost effective and well you know..smart

There's some truth to that, except for that fact that we too have tons and tons of missiles, drones, and satellite intelligence capability that can do far more damage. Iran would seal the death of their regime by launching any attack, no matter how much initial success (ie, sinking a carrier or destroyer) they might have.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Perhaps because we needed a staging ground for the war on terror.

Well you certainly blew that eh.
Looks to me like American actions always have a opposite affect or the planned intention.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I think some people are missing the point, you are thinking war where we sink Iranian ships , send in a bunch of carriers and it is all over, this isn't about that kind of threat. Iran is located next to the main pathway the ships must travel, along that route the path the tankers must follow narrows to a distance of just 34 miles. 34 miles might seem like a lot but also consider the tankers cannot use that entire opening, instead they use about 5-6 miles of it. Iran doesn't have to stage an all out war to cripple that pathway, they can send 1 plane a day to drop bombs and that will end shipments. Would you as a tanker captain even entertain the idea of carrying millions of gallons of oil, highly flammable, through an area that is targeted ? Or Iran can mine the entire area requiring it to be cleared taking months to complete.

Iran has no air force that would be capable of putting up a plane a day to attack shipping.

The USN would put up a CAP over the straight immediately after the first threat is implimented and then remove all of the air attack threats over the next few hours.

Mining is something that was attempted by Iran in their war with Iraq. For a few days it was effective until other Navies as well as the US brought in the equivalent of mine sweepers. A escort ship per tanker and the problem went away.

Also, closing the straight will kill the Iranian economy. 80% of their revenue comes from oil coming down the straight. They have little port capacity on the southern end.

 

[Orignal Earl]

There's some truth to that, except for that fact that we too have tons and tons of missiles, drones, and satellite intelligence capability that can do far more damage. Iran would seal the death of their regime by launching any attack, no matter how much initial success (ie, sinking a carrier or destroyer) they might have.

When do you suppose China or Russia would step in?

 

[airdata]

Perhaps because we needed a staging ground for the war on terror. Not saying it was a good idea, but I get so tired of the war-for-oil foolishness.

Well.. If China jumps in and we're looking at WW3, we could very well be seeing a justification for war for oil.

If you're going to get into a global war, it'd be advantageous to control resources.

 

[GoPackGo]

I think Iran would long regret messing with the Obama Administration.

 

[EagleKeeper]

When do you suppose China or Russia would step in?

Bigger question is WHY.

Russia helped patrol the straights previously for mines.

/edit - I am thinking that Earl is expecting Russia/China to come to bat for Iran

 

[IndyColtsFan]

When do you suppose China or Russia would step in?

Why would they? I think you overestimate their "friendship" with Iran. The link in the OP even showed that Beijing is willing to pay a premium to other countries for their oil to avoid buying Iranian oil, so you tell me how big of an ally they are.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Bigger question is WHY.

Same reason as you.
Someone is trying to mess with our oil.
Russia doesn't like their boats sunk or their energy deals messed with either

 

[K1052]

Same reason as you.
Someone is trying to mess with our oil.
Russia doesn't like their boats sunk or their energy deals messed with either

If anything Russia will be rooting for more tension to jack up oil prices. Free money as far as they are concerned.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Bigger question is WHY.

Russia helped patrol the straights previously for mines.

Yea, who in the world would help podunk countries like Iran or Serbia.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Why would they? I think you overestimate their "friendship" with Iran. The link in the OP even showed that Beijing is willing to pay a premium to other countries for their oil to avoid buying Iranian oil, so you tell me how big of an ally they are.

You really think China don't mind paying premiums?

Man, we could solve all the worlds problems by jacking the price of gas up to 10 a gallon.
I mean come on guys, give a little, world peace or that trip to Indy for NASCAR

 

[EagleKeeper]

Same reason as you.
Someone is trying to mess with our oil.
Russia doesn't like their boats sunk or their energy deals messed with either

I may have misunderstood

Which side are you expecting China and Russia to show up on.

Allowing the flow of oil and backing Iran and increasing the threat level?

My initial impression was you were expecting Russia and China to come in on Iran's side.

If that is a misunderstanding, I apologize.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I may have misunderstood

Which side are you expecting China and Russia to show up on.

Allowing the flow of oil and backing Iran and increasing the threat level?

My initial impression was you were expecting Russia and China to come in on Iran's side.

If that is a misunderstanding, I apologize.

Nope, you were right.
I think Russia and China would side with Iran.

It seems most here like to just look at first steps.
The US could blow the Iranian Navy to smithereens.

Then what happens? Whats next?
When you put that piece in, then its up to the other guys to make a move.
You know. like LL always says..chess

It seems the US is really horrible at playing chess