Iran tests short-range missiles amid nuclear tension

[Modelworks]

I am beginning to think that Iran suffers from multiple personality disorder, switching between a side yelling peace and another saying I will destroy you all.




http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/...issile.test/index.html

(CNN) -- Iran tested a missile-launching system and two types of missiles Sunday, the state-run Press TV said. The missile tests come amid tension over the Islamic republic's nuclear program.

The missiles, fired at targets around the country Sunday, included the Fateh-110, a short-range ground-to-ground missile, and Tondar-69, a short-range naval missile, the station said. Iran plans to test the long-range Shahab missile on Monday.

The tests, which are expected to go on for the next 10 to 11 days, are codenamed "Payghambar-e Azam 4" or "The Great Messenger 4," Press TV said.

Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had said it would stage missile exercises to promote the armed forces' defense capabilities.

The tests come after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's disclosure Friday that Iran was building a second uranium enrichment facility.

The United States and Israel believe that Iran is seeking nuclear weapons under the guise of a civilian nuclear energy program. Iran has denied the allegation.

 

[blackangst1]

Yep. And the tests are going to be continued for the next few days. Im sure they'll get a finger wagging from UN/Obama about it though. Which will scare them into submission

 

[Ihey8neocons]

If Obama would only sit down at the table over beer with the Iranians, he could straighten things out.

All the bellicose rants of the neocons have inflamed them.

They feel misunderstood.

 

[jpeyton]

This is a direct response to the sabre-rattling that Obama did last week.

Iran is letting the US/UK/FR/etc. know that they aren't going to be bullied when talks begin in October.

 

[Lemon law]

Oh come on come on, this is the standard behavior of all nations and we engage in the same behaviors. China rattles some sabers on taking over Taiwan and the US hold naval exercises nearby soon thereafter. Hold some peace talks and try to grub up as much territory as possible in meantime. At least it has not degenerated to a two year debate over the shape of the negotiating table---Yet.

Humans are simply a silly species driven by ego and greed, and its always the silly season.

 

[brandonb]

We test fire missiles daily. So what?

 

[gevorg]

Bad timing, but a nation has a right to defend itself. Even Iran.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This is a direct response to the sabre-rattling that Obama did last week.

Iran is letting the US/UK/FR/etc. know that they aren't going to be bullied when talks begin in October.

When is Obama going to stop this cowboy diplomacy?!

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This is a direct response to the sabre-rattling that Obama did last week.

Iran is letting the US/UK/FR/etc. know that they aren't going to be bullied when talks begin in October.

When is Obama going to stop this cowboy diplomacy?!

He probably wont. He's pretty much in step with Bush on foreign policy.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Oh come on come on, this is the standard behavior of all nations and we engage in the same behaviors. China rattles some sabers on taking over Taiwan and the US hold naval exercises nearby soon thereafter. Hold some peace talks and try to grub up as much territory as possible in meantime. At least it has not degenerated to a two year debate over the shape of the negotiating table---Yet.

Humans are simply a silly species driven by ego and greed, and its always the silly season.

You don't seem to put any currency in Iran's testing of a missle right after the Obama et. al. stuff at the UN and G20. I think It has some symbolic meaning at least. I mean why test a missle when you proclaim to not have a WMD type thing to put on it?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This is a direct response to the sabre-rattling that Obama did last week.

I don't remember seeing Obama lobbing any missles towards Iran.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This is a direct response to the sabre-rattling that Obama did last week.

I don't remember seeing Obama lobbing any missles towards Iran.

Obama had bigger verbal missles than what ever his name is did. But I think the issue is the missle is used to carry what kind of 'war' head(s). They have none or do they?

"the Fateh-110A missile may be based on the Chinese DF-11A, which has a range of approximately 300 to 400 km and is capable of carrying nuclear warheads."

"The upgraded version named Sejjil-2, with a 2000-2500 km range was test fired on May 20, 2009. The Sejjil-2 surface-to-surface medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) was first tested eight months prior to the actual test launch, which took place in the central Iranian province of Semnan. Improvements include better navigation system, better targeting system, more payload, longer range, faster lift-off, longer storage time, quicker launch, and lower detection possibility. The two main objectives of the upgraded version of Sejjil were precision and swiftness and high Accelertation."

 

[Lemon law]

If nothing else, the US, France, the UK, China, and Russia are meeting to discuss sanctions against Iran. The probable better response and we should simply ignore all the various sideshows and braggadocio.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
If nothing else, the US, France, the UK, China, and Russia are meeting to discuss sanctions against Iran. The probable better response and we should simply ignore all the various sideshows and braggadocio.

A wise man (who obviously knows history) once said sanctions work with reasonable leaders and countries, all else sanctions just piss them off more and encourage their call to action.

 

[Ihey8neocons]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Lemon law
If nothing else, the US, France, the UK, China, and Russia are meeting to discuss sanctions against Iran. The probable better response and we should simply ignore all the various sideshows and braggadocio.

A wise man (who obviously knows history) once said sanctions work with reasonable leaders and countries, all else sanctions just piss them off more and encourage their call to action.

Was that the peanut farmer?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
If nothing else, the US, France, the UK, China, and Russia are meeting to discuss sanctions against Iran. The probable better response and we should simply ignore all the various sideshows and braggadocio.

I would love to ignore it but I fear Israel is not of the same mind set as me. I think they are very antsy about now. I think if they think Iran has a nuke from what ever source that they'll need to act.. They have said attacking Iran is on the table..

What do you think Israel is thinking?

 

[Lemon law]

I have an idea of what Israel is thinking but they are simply not thinking straight.

Tell me again why Israel has the right to Nukes and all their neighbors do not?

Its not like Israel is the responsible one here, even Obama is telling them not to settle on the West bank that is not their to settle on, and Israel ignores the world and keeps on doing it. Israel also stands accused of war crimes by the UN and Israel tells the UN where to shove it.

But that might be a plan, in exchange for Israel giving up its nukes, Iran will agree to forgo any any nuclear weapons development with the 100% international inspections to guarantee it on both sides.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I have an idea of what Israel is thinking but they are simply not thinking straight.

Tell me again why Israel has the right to Nukes and all their neighbors do not?

Its not like Israel is the responsible one here, even Obama is telling them not to settle on the West bank that is not their to settle on, and Israel ignores the world and keeps on doing it. Israel also stands accused of war crimes by the UN and Israel tells the UN where to shove it.

But that might be a plan, in exchange for Israel giving up its nukes, Iran will agree to forgo any any nuclear weapons development with the 100% international inspections to guarantee it on both sides.

Because the chances of Israel using nukes against any of their neighbors is ZERO unless they are attacked first. The chances of Iran using them against Israel are not ZERO. THATS why. Of course, if Iran were to nuke Israel everyone like you would just to 'Oops! I guess we were wrong.. sorry about the 100,000 dead people'. That kind of attitude got 6 million jews killed 70 years ago.

There is no benefit to the world to allow Iran to get nukes. Israel benefits because its surrounded by people who want nothing more than to wipe Israel off the face of the earth for purely religious reasons.

It amazes me that the same people of this forum who think religion is so dangerous that we must keep prayer out of our schools and the 10 commandments away from any government buildings think giving a bunch of radical Muslim's a nuke is a good idea.

WTF?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I have an idea of what Israel is thinking but they are simply not thinking straight.

Tell me again why Israel has the right to Nukes and all their neighbors do not?

Its not like Israel is the responsible one here, even Obama is telling them not to settle on the West bank that is not their to settle on, and Israel ignores the world and keeps on doing it. Israel also stands accused of war crimes by the UN and Israel tells the UN where to shove it.

But that might be a plan, in exchange for Israel giving up its nukes, Iran will agree to forgo any any nuclear weapons development with the 100% international inspections to guarantee it on both sides.

I think I think that Iran's objective is defensive.
And, I've not a good answer to the Israel has nukes but it ain't ok for her neighbors. I would expect it to be ok so long as they don't have the offensive use and distance capability to be able to terminate Israel.

That Israel ain't thinking straight is the issue. I've not ever thought Israel is THE good guy, but I've always thought Israel is there and folks don't like that. I listened to their Prime minister's speech at the UN and he's a bit unpredictable. I think Iran is predictable and I think Iran's tests were a show for Israel... iow, back down cowboy you don't want to mess with me.

Israel won't give up its defense or its offense. Not for anything, I don't think. They remind me a a person on the brink. I think something not good is about to occur over there and as I said in another thread, Israel will start it.

 

[manowar821]

BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: manowar821
BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN

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Which is what McCain said as he lost the election of 11/2008 by a pretty healthy margin.
Its almost makes Palin's drill baby drill look tame by comparison.

 

[sandorski]

Short Range Missiles are only a concern if you want to be an Aggressor. AKA, they're more Defencive than Offensive weapons.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Short Range Missiles are only a concern if you want to be an Aggressor. AKA, they're more Defencive than Offensive weapons.

That is true and I suppose what Iran was saying to the world. What concerns me is this Iranian two stage. "Sejjil-2, with a 2000-2500 km range was test fired on May 20, 2009''.
Israel might really be wanting to insure that Iran don't put a nuke on the top of it.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Yep. And the tests are going to be continued for the next few days. Im sure they'll get a finger wagging from UN/Obama about it though. Which will scare them into submission

Who, gives a shit... Iran, isn't our problem.


The time to act would have been when idiot bush was on his stump... Oh well, as usual time is of the essence. Lost opportunities. All bush did was stutter his run on sentences trying to string his terror words together to make some sort of sense out of it. By that time the world was laughing and 90% of Americans had come to the conclusion that he had lost his mind and was just another lose canon waiting to go off. All America could hope for was that he would go more vacations and not start another world war III.

I for one feel WAY more comfortable with Obama at the helm. This time we won't look like a bunch of tools and might actually get china and other countries to help with the problem.

In other words, it's not our problem but maybe together we can find a solution.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: sandorski
Short Range Missiles are only a concern if you want to be an Aggressor. AKA, they're more Defencive than Offensive weapons.

That is true and I suppose what Iran was saying to the world. What concerns me is this Iranian two stage. "Sejjil-2, with a 2000-2500 km range was test fired on May 20, 2009''.
Israel might really be wanting to insure that Iran don't put a nuke on the top of it.

I really don't think Iran wants to Nuke Israel. Nukes are, or so they have become, Defencive Weapons. Just look at North Korea as an example. Since I brought NK up, I doubt Iran would use such a Weapon the way NK has, that being as a way to Blackmail freebies out of the International community.

I don't want Iran to have a Nuke as anyone, but as long as others exist who are willing to meddle in other Nations affairs at whim, Nuclear proliferation is just going to accelerate. IMO, it's time to put some Principles to a Test, primarily Freedom and Self Determination. Opposition to a Nations choice of Government or Economic Models needs to wane, that's so Cold War mentality. Make National Aggression against other Nations the new paradigm of Evil, rather than Government or Economic Structure. Nations like Iran have some legitimate grievances and it has been proved that Nukes are a guarantor of Security from Foreign meddlers. It might be too late to prevent certain Nations from developing Nukes, but for the longterm taking away the incentive is best for everyone.