Iran, six world powers clinch breakthrough nuclear deal

[michal1980]

None of this is new information to people who've been paying the slightest bit of attention. As a condition to a final deal Iran has to cease and disclose all these activities...one of the major points of negotiation. The US knows they have them, the Iranians know we know. The question is what Iran gets in trade for it.

You're just feeding off of people who have political interests against a deal coming to fruition to reinforce your own beliefs.

So when the UN says this:

"The U.N. nuclear chief, Yukiya Amano, on Thursday highlighted another hurdle: Iran has yet to explain suspected atomic bomb research to the U.N. nuclear agency, one of the six powers' conditions for lifting sanctions"

They are also lying.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/20/us-iran-nuclear-iaea-idUSKCN0J40Z020141120

 

[K1052]

So when the UN says this:

"The U.N. nuclear chief, Yukiya Amano, on Thursday highlighted another hurdle: Iran has yet to explain suspected atomic bomb research to the U.N. nuclear agency, one of the six powers' conditions for lifting sanctions"

They are also lying.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/20/us-iran-nuclear-iaea-idUSKCN0J40Z020141120

You just made my point for me.

Iran isn't going to give away the information for nothing. They're using it as leverage in the negotiation, as expected.

 

[Jhhnn]

Buncha raving right wing maroons. Benji & friends have been raving about how Iran *could* have nuclear weapons in 6 months for over 10 years. Which means, if they're to be believed, that Iran already has nukes if that was their goal. The latter is highly unlikely, given continuous monitoring of their enrichment facilities by the IAEA.

So it's been 10 years of fear mongering bullshit or the current round of it is way too late, take your pick. Either way, there will be no invasion, no nuclear attack, which is what it would take to stop Iran if nukes were their goal.

With that in mind, it's perfectly obvious that efforts to avoid agreement have motivations other than those stated, mostly domestic political purposes, reinforcing irrational thought processes among the Repub base. If you don't keep 'em scared of something, anything, it gives 'em too much time to actually use their brains to reason. Every right wing talking point is engineered for that purpose.

 

[ivwshane]

Do you just refuse to listen to anything that doesn't fit your beliefs? The response you gave is a canned lib response, dont like the message attack the messenger.

Lol! If anyone knows how to play that game it's you!

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36922095&postcount=327

 

[JEDIYoda]

Its just matter of time before iran develops the bomb.

no kidding Sherlock....

 

[5150Joker]

Rumors have it the obama administration brokered the deal.

Everything else was for show.

Its just matter of time before iran develops the bomb.

Even if it does develop it, do you really think it would mean anything? Apart from using it as a means to deter any foreign invasions, I don't envision them ever using it nor are they dumb enough to do so. Iran is all bark like NK with no bite. The only ones worried are Israel because their hegemony in the middle east would be over and they couldn't threaten everyone in that region so easily.

 

[Jhhnn]

So when the UN says this:

"The U.N. nuclear chief, Yukiya Amano, on Thursday highlighted another hurdle: Iran has yet to explain suspected atomic bomb research to the U.N. nuclear agency, one of the six powers' conditions for lifting sanctions"

They are also lying.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/20/us-iran-nuclear-iaea-idUSKCN0J40Z020141120

Perhaps you'd care to quote the passage in the NPT treaty that Iran signed indicating that weapons related research was forbidden. I'll admit that you have a point if you can, but you'd have to be a magician. Or can treaties be arbitrarily modified by the UN to suit the purposes of an American Admin that's now out of power?

It never was more than a Bush era pander point. The IAEA is really good at their job, at detecting unauthorized production of weapons grade material. Despite having satellite imagery of every gopher hole in Iran, no credible evidence exists that Iran has ever produced any or that they have secret facilities, either.

No HEU, no recovery of plutonium from reactors, no weapons. That's apparently too simple for those claiming conspiracy.

 

[soccerballtux]

Even if it does develop it, do you really think it would mean anything? Apart from using it as a means to deter any foreign invasions, I don't envision them ever using it nor are they dumb enough to do so. Iran is all bark like NK with no bite. The only ones worried are Israel because their hegemony in the middle east would be over and they couldn't threaten everyone in that region so easily.

if you noticed, none of the rest of the middle eastern countries wanted nuclear capabilities.

Until it became clear Iran had them.

 

[norseamd]

Lol! If anyone knows how to play that game it's you!

He plays that game so much you basically just lost by even needing to point it out.

 

[norseamd]

if you noticed, none of the rest of the middle eastern countries wanted nuclear capabilities.

Until it became clear Iran had them.

Not sure you even have any basic knowledge of the history of nuclear weapons in Southwest Asia.

 

[Jhhnn]

if you noticed, none of the rest of the middle eastern countries wanted nuclear capabilities.

Until it became clear Iran had them.

Nice bit of convenient revisionist history. Israel is a middle eastern country, and there's the small matter of their bombing a nearly finished Iraqi reactor in 1981.

But, uhh, do go on.

 

[Dannar26]

Can you guys get any more ridiculous?

Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself.

So, trust Iran or you're a fool? Is it opposite day here on ATOT?

 

[cabri]

Nice bit of convenient revisionist history. Israel is a middle eastern country, and there's the small matter of their bombing a nearly finished Iraqi reactor in 1981.

But, uhh, do go on.

When was Iraq every peaceful to Israel under Saddam and previously?

Sponsored terror against it.
Threaten to launch attacks against it
Previous had attacked Israel in the Arab wars against Israel.

Demonstrated afterwards by launching SCUDs against Israel in retaliation for UN actions in Kuwait.

We saw what Iraq did with chemical weapons against Iran; when Iraq had tools to use against enemies, it was used.

 

[werepossum]

Even if it does develop it, do you really think it would mean anything? Apart from using it as a means to deter any foreign invasions, I don't envision them ever using it nor are they dumb enough to do so. Iran is all bark like NK with no bite. The only ones worried are Israel because their hegemony in the middle east would be over and they couldn't threaten everyone in that region so easily.

Generally speaking, nuclear weapons are not for use except as a deterrent. With a small nuclear arsenal, Iran can do whatever it wishes without fear of regime change or severe conventional attacks other than on invading troops.

With Iran as with North Korea, there's one caveat here. Two smallish nukes detonated over America in the lower stratosphere and we're an 18th century nation with a 21st century military - until equipment begins to wear out anyway. There are exactly two nations which MIGHT be crazy enough to try this.

 

[5150Joker]

Generally speaking, nuclear weapons are not for use except as a deterrent. With a small nuclear arsenal, Iran can do whatever it wishes without fear of regime change or severe conventional attacks other than on invading troops.

With Iran as with North Korea, there's one caveat here. Two smallish nukes detonated over America in the lower stratosphere and we're an 18th century nation with a 21st century military - until equipment begins to wear out anyway. There are exactly two nations which MIGHT be crazy enough to try this.

NK MAYBE but that's even very far fetched and I only say maybe because they are developing longer range missiles. Iran on the other hand isn't NK, their population and even leaders are more educated and know better. It at best would be a deterrent against nations (especially Israel) that have notions of attacking them. Look at Iran's history with the West, they have all the reasons they need to be paranoid.

 

[norseamd]

NK MAYBE but that's even very far fetched and I only say maybe because they are developing longer range missiles. Iran on the other hand isn't NK, their population and even leaders are more educated and know better. It at best would be a deterrent against nations (especially Israel) that have notions of attacking them. Look at Iran's history with the West, they have all the reasons they need to be paranoid.

This. Iran has no benefit in using nuclear weapons since Iran would instantly be light up like Christmas fireworks.

 

[Jaskalas]

This. Iran has no benefit in using nuclear weapons since Iran would instantly be light up like Christmas fireworks.

The 12th Imam.

Where followers are required to end the world for their prophet to return. How does one achieve this without nuclear weapons? When you say there is no benefit, you're ignoring the crazy.

Also ignoring the part where terrorists would use the weapons, not a State. Nuclear weapons will be used in the future, and any intelligent opponent will not announce themselves for retaliation. Deterrence does not work when there's no one to strike back at.

 

[5150Joker]

The 12th Imam.

Where followers are required to end the world for their prophet to return. How does one achieve this without nuclear weapons? When you say there is no benefit, you're ignoring the crazy.

Also ignoring the part where terrorists would use the weapons, not a State. Nuclear weapons will be used in the future, and any intelligent opponent will not announce themselves for retaliation. Deterrence does not work when there's no one to strike back at.

You've been watching too many movies.

 

[cabri]

Iran is again able to stall for more time Another 7 months before the next excuse will be available

VIENNA (Reuters) - Iran and six powers failed on Monday for a second time this year to resolve their 12-year dispute over Tehran's nuclear ambitions, and gave themselves seven more months to overcome the deadlock that has prevented an historic deal....

 

[Texashiker]

I have been telling yall this for a long time, obama wants iran to have the bomb.

Iran is going to stall as long as they can, and obama is going to keep easing trade sanctions.

Whoever is elected in 2016 will face a nightmare situation.

 

[norseamd]

Seems Iran has already reduced their Uranium gas inventory down to below their maximum required limit despite still being well over them at the start of November. So there is possibly some progress already going on right now.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I have been telling yall this for a long time, obama wants iran to have the bomb.

Iran is going to stall as long as they can, and obama is going to keep easing trade sanctions.

Whoever is elected in 2016 will face a nightmare situation.

One rational, believable reason why Obama would want Iran to have nuclear weapons. Give us just one.

 

[Texashiker]

One rational, believable reason why Obama would want Iran to have nuclear weapons. Give us just one.

obama hates the united states.

Mark my words, when a new president enters office in 2016 that person will face a nightmare situation.

It will take decades, if not a generation to undo what obama has done.

 

[Victorian Gray]

obama hates the united states.

Mark my words, when a new president enters office in 2016 that person will face a nightmare situation.

It will take decades, if not a generation to undo what obama has done.

So there is no rational, believable reason. You're simply flinging crap at the walls again. No surprise there.

 

[Abwx]

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-throws-monkey-wrench-nuclear-deal-003225591.html

• The acceptance of Iran’s need for enrichment on a level that feeds the need of the country (the country has over 19,000 centrifuges, far more than is needed for peaceful nuclear purposes, and would like to expand).

So was Iran was playing the West?
Get concessions, draw the line and expect more concessions from Obama/West to ensure that politically, everyone looks like something has been accomplished.

A big lie to start with, 19000 centrifuges would be barely enough to refine enough U235 for their single electricity power plant, let alone for the 10 they want to build in 20 years.

The US and Europe should stop messing in what is an iranian domestical issue.