Iran Releases Footage Of Captured Sailors Playing Table Tennis...

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Captives' media fees spark fury

The Ministry of Defence's decision to allow Royal Navy personnel held captive by Iran to sell their stories has sparked anger and unease.

Opposition MPs said the move was undignified while relatives of soldiers killed in Iraq have voiced opposition.

Leading Seaman Faye Turney is said to have been paid a six-figure sum for her story in Monday's Sun newspaper.

It came as Iran released more video of the sailors, showing them socialising and relaxing during their captivity.

Iran's state-run Arabic satellite TV channel Al-Alam showed several of the sailors and marines eating at a long dining table, watching football on television and playing table tennis and chess.


The images contrasted sharply with the crew's description of their ordeal, which they say included intimidation and isolation.

The front page of Monday's Sun newspaper has a picture of Leading Seaman Turney, 26, with the headline "Faye - My Ordeal".

The newspaper says she feared being raped by the Iranians, was stripped to her knickers and kept in a dingy cell and feared she would never see her daughter again.

Leading Seaman Turney, the only woman among the 15, has also given an interview to ITV1's Tonight with Trevor McDonald programme.

Both of the officers among the captives have said they do not plan to profit from the story.

Royal Navy Lt Felix Carman said any fee was likely to go to charity.

"I am not interested in making money out of this," the 26-year-old from Swansea told the BBC.

"My main aim is to tell the story. There's some people who might be making money, but that's an individual's decision, that's very private."

I think it would have been better if maybe they handled it in a slightly different way Admiral Sir Alan West

He added: "I think every one of us has had offers. I think the MoD has played this quite well. Somebody, somewhere is going to make money out of this story, and they've said we're happy for you guys, the people who've been involved, to actually be the ones that do that."

Meanwhile, Captain Chris Air said that he did not plan to sell his story but insisted his fellow service personnel had the right to.

The Royal Marine told ITV Granada News: "I'm not going to speak to the papers. I think some people are going to, and they are perfectly entitled to.

"I think it can be part of the process to get things off their mind. To be honest, it didn't seem that traumatic at the time to me and I don't think it's going to affect me in a terrible way."

The MoD said its decision would ensure officials "had sight" of what might be said as well ensuring "proper media support" to the captured crew members.

'Extremely distasteful'

Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell said he was concerned at the impression the episode would make on governments involved behind the scenes in helping to free the personnel, and possible inadvertent leaks of sensitive information in interviews.

Quite aside from the human interest story surrounding these individuals, there are also sensitive strategic issues in play.

Mike Aston, whose son Corporal Russell Aston was one of six military policemen killed by a mob in Iraq in 2003, said he was "absolutely amazed" by the decision.

He told the BBC: "It beggars belief. On the day that they were released four servicemen and women were killed in Iraq. That's four grieving families who have to watch the television to see other families celebrating.

"I'm very pleased that they've been released. But I think the circumstances really needed to be low key, not high key. And to actually now go round and sell their story I think it's tacky and it's sordid".

Shadow foreign secretary William Hague said the Conservatives would be raising the issue in the Commons and questioned whether the decision had been properly thought through.

'Strategic issues'

The sailors and Royal Marines were held after Iran accused them of entering its waters, a claim they denied.

The personnel later said they were blindfolded, bound and held in isolation during their 13 days of captivity.

Royal Marine Captain Chris Air and Lieutenant Felix Carman Cpt Chris Air and Lt Felix Carman say they do not intend to profit

The MoD has said experiences of the navy crew amounted to "exceptional circumstances" that allowed its usual ban on such payments to be lifted.

Responding to reaction to its initial announcement, the MoD said: "It is a fact that the media have been making direct contact with the families and offering them significant sums of money - this is not something that the Navy and the MoD have any control over.

"Quite aside from the human interest story surrounding these individuals, there are also sensitive strategic issues in play."

Former SAS soldier Andy McNab said he thought the MoD decision was "sensible" and showed "forward thinking".

He said: "I think the MoD now understand that the story will come out very quickly via a third party, whether it's a family member or even another service personnel."

PR agent Max Clifford has confirmed some of the group had already approached him for advice.

But he said: "The surprise was that the Ministry of Defence encouraged them to do this".

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I was expecting this to come out at some point. The Iranians knew the UK would make their sailors mouthpieces for propaganda as soon as they were returned. Fortunately they made videotape evidence of the captivity of the sailors.

Funny how the sailors never mentioned relaxing, socializing, eating meals, watching football and playing table tennis. :roll: What a life of death struggle.
 

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"..."I am not interested in making money out of this," the 26-year-old from Swansea told the BBC. "My main aim is to tell the story. There's some people who might be making money, but that's an individual's decision, that's very private."



:D
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: jpeyton

Fortunately they made videotape evidence of the captivity of the sailors.

Yes, fortunately they violated the Geneva Conventions... You're so similar to those you seem to be against.
 

Lemon law

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I had hoped that something good would have come from this whole hostage crisis. As a series of wrong resulted in Iran doing what is also wrong. Thankfully no one was killed or even injured----but those hopes of anything good coming of it were dashed when Tony Blair
opened his big fat yap---and those hopes of anything good are now a little reignited if Tony Blair's opening his big fat yap results in him eating his own foot when the real truth emerges.

Some people just can't leave well enough alone----the Brits were already easing Blair out, now maybe he can leave the world stage with the hoots of British laughter adding insult and disgrace to what could have been an act of statemanship.
 

Aimster

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I think the British sailors are going to leave parts like that out because they were cowards. They are going to try to make it seem as if it was far worse because they are being blamed for making Britain look weak.

I also think Iran gave them special attention simply to make the Iranian Regime look wonderful.
Iranian police beat up Iranian citizens. These British got the lucky.
 

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Originally posted by: Aimster
I think the British sailors are going to leave parts like that out because they were cowards. They are going to try to make it seem as if it was far worse because they are not being blamed for making Britain look weak.

I also think Iran gave them special attention simply to make the Iranian Regime look wonderful.
Iranian police beat up Iranian citizens. These British got the lucky.

Yeah, they got lucky to get kidnapped by the Iranians in Iraqi waters. I can't think of anything more lucky... :roll:
 

ProfJohn

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Let's hope they come to their sense and donate any money they make to families of the dead or wounded.

In peace time I think they could away with it. But in wartime with some many of their brothers and sisters dying I think it shows bad taste.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
I think the British sailors are going to leave parts like that out because they were cowards. They are going to try to make it seem as if it was far worse because they are not being blamed for making Britain look weak.

I also think Iran gave them special attention simply to make the Iranian Regime look wonderful.
Iranian police beat up Iranian citizens. These British got the lucky.

Yeah, they got lucky to get kidnapped by the Iranians in Iraqi waters. I can't think of anything more lucky... :roll:

hey look its the bigot talking.

Prove they were in Iraqi waters.

How the hell did you come to the conclusion that Britain's word > Iran's word. Color of skin? Religion? Please share. Go on. Exactly.

You keep blabbering how Britain is right and you cannot prove it. White man's word must always be right.
 

ProfJohn

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Aimster, for once could you refrain from rushing to the defend Iran against every charge?

Even I don't defend Bush for everthing he does, in fact I am critical of Bush on many topics. You on the other hand seem to only defend Iran.

Question for you: overall is the Iranian government a force for good or bad in the world?
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Aimster, for once could you refrain from rushing to the defend Iran against every charge?

Even I don't defend Bush for everthing he does, in fact I am critical of Bush on many topics. You on the other hand seem to only defend Iran.

Question for you: overall is the Iranian government a force for good or bad in the world?

Defend?

I made it clear you cannot say for certain who is right.
How is that defending?

Did I say Iran was right when they said Britain was inside Iranian waters? No I did not.

Stop assuming crap
 

Screech

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
I think the British sailors are going to leave parts like that out because they were cowards. They are going to try to make it seem as if it was far worse because they are not being blamed for making Britain look weak.

I also think Iran gave them special attention simply to make the Iranian Regime look wonderful.
Iranian police beat up Iranian citizens. These British got the lucky.

Yeah, they got lucky to get kidnapped by the Iranians in Iraqi waters. I can't think of anything more lucky... :roll:

hey look its the bigot talking.

Prove they were in Iraqi waters.

How the hell did you come to the conclusion that Britain's word > Iran's word. Color of skin? Religion? Please share. Go on. Exactly.

You keep blabbering how Britain is right and you cannot prove it. White man's word must always be right.

The first time Iran gave coordinates of where the sailors were captured, the coordinates were actually within Iraqi waters. That's pretty damning evidence; the fact that Iran had to "correct" the coordinates they gave in order to support thier case is pretty pathetic.
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Aimster, for once could you refrain from rushing to the defend Iran against every charge?

Even I don't defend Bush for everthing he does, in fact I am critical of Bush on many topics. You on the other hand seem to only defend Iran.

Question for you: overall is the Iranian government a force for good or bad in the world?
Bullsh!t.

 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: screech
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
I think the British sailors are going to leave parts like that out because they were cowards. They are going to try to make it seem as if it was far worse because they are not being blamed for making Britain look weak.

I also think Iran gave them special attention simply to make the Iranian Regime look wonderful.
Iranian police beat up Iranian citizens. These British got the lucky.

Yeah, they got lucky to get kidnapped by the Iranians in Iraqi waters. I can't think of anything more lucky... :roll:

hey look its the bigot talking.

Prove they were in Iraqi waters.

How the hell did you come to the conclusion that Britain's word > Iran's word. Color of skin? Religion? Please share. Go on. Exactly.

You keep blabbering how Britain is right and you cannot prove it. White man's word must always be right.

The first time Iran gave coordinates of where the sailors were captured, the coordinates were actually within Iraqi waters. That's pretty damning evidence; the fact that Iran had to "correct" the coordinates they gave in order to support thier case is pretty pathetic.

& the British said that their helicopter saw the whole thing but then later a report came out
that they actually asked the U.S to help find their missing sailors because they had lost contact with them and had no idea where they were
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Aimster, for once could you refrain from rushing to the defend Iran against every charge?

Even I don't defend Bush for everthing he does, in fact I am critical of Bush on many topics. You on the other hand seem to only defend Iran.

Question for you: overall is the Iranian government a force for good or bad in the world?
Bullsh!t.
Would you like to expand upon your brilliant observation?
 

Screech

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: screech
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
I think the British sailors are going to leave parts like that out because they were cowards. They are going to try to make it seem as if it was far worse because they are not being blamed for making Britain look weak.

I also think Iran gave them special attention simply to make the Iranian Regime look wonderful.
Iranian police beat up Iranian citizens. These British got the lucky.

Yeah, they got lucky to get kidnapped by the Iranians in Iraqi waters. I can't think of anything more lucky... :roll:

hey look its the bigot talking.

Prove they were in Iraqi waters.

How the hell did you come to the conclusion that Britain's word > Iran's word. Color of skin? Religion? Please share. Go on. Exactly.

You keep blabbering how Britain is right and you cannot prove it. White man's word must always be right.

The first time Iran gave coordinates of where the sailors were captured, the coordinates were actually within Iraqi waters. That's pretty damning evidence; the fact that Iran had to "correct" the coordinates they gave in order to support thier case is pretty pathetic.

& the British said that their helicopter saw the whole thing but then later a report came out
that they actually asked the U.S to help find their missing sailors because they had lost contact with them and had no idea where they were

That's an interesting bit of news I must have overlooked, but it does not make the Iranian story any more believable; only the UK less so. Being as Iran carried out this media circus (which, obviously, was the whole point to begin with), the burden of proof was on them to prove that the sailors were within their waters. They made the charge, they need to provide the evidence....and they couldn't. That is the main reason I choose not to believe Iran's side of the story: it is not that I trust the UK more, but its a classic burden of proof argument in which Iran fails to support its position.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Aimster
I think the British sailors are going to leave parts like that out because they were cowards. They are going to try to make it seem as if it was far worse because they are not being blamed for making Britain look weak.

I also think Iran gave them special attention simply to make the Iranian Regime look wonderful.
Iranian police beat up Iranian citizens. These British got the lucky.

Yeah, they got lucky to get kidnapped by the Iranians in Iraqi waters. I can't think of anything more lucky... :roll:

hey look its the bigot talking.

Prove they were in Iraqi waters.

How the hell did you come to the conclusion that Britain's word > Iran's word. Color of skin? Religion? Please share. Go on. Exactly.

You keep blabbering how Britain is right and you cannot prove it. White man's word must always be right.

Cannot prove it? I guess Britain just made up the GPS coordinates and the 3rd location of the kidnapping given by the Iranians is right. Why do I take Britains word over Iran? Because:

1) Iran had motive to kidnap British troops (to get their 5 agents in Iraq back).
2) Britain is our ally.
3) Britain isn't currently under sanctions from the UN, partly for covering up their nuclear program.
4) Iran gave a set of coordinates the first time that were in IRAQI WATERS.
5) The sailors said they were 1.7 miles within Iraqi waters.
6) Britain gave GPS coordinates of where they were kidnapped.

Can you give me ONE piece of compelling evidence that they weren't in Iraqi waters? And how is siding with our ally being a bigot? You're the one going around calling people names, not me. Real mature.
 
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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: jpeyton

Fortunately they made videotape evidence of the captivity of the sailors.

Yes, fortunately they violated the Geneva Conventions... You're so similar to those you seem to be against.

The Geneva Conventions are somehow relevant here?
I ask merely for information.
And why can't he point out the absurdity of the situation without being branded a traitor or a terrorist?
Man, this story gets more and more strange. I do hope Britain is now providing training to those "brave souls" (hahahahahahahhaa) still operating in theater. Damn. Embarrassing!
 

Aimster

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LOL

Britain gave GPS coordinates from a helicopter that was supposedly watching over them. Then they backtracked and said they had no idea where their sailors were.

Iran provided the same GPS coordinates from the same GPS device that the British showed off to the world.
British showed the one from the helicopter and the the Iranians showed the ones captured from the British troops.

Show me facts or stfu. Being an ally of the U.S is not a fact that has anything to do with this at all.

Do people forget about the Iraq Intel? O wait you are a Bush fanboy. No wonder.
 

Lemon law

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To non Prof John---who states---Even I don't defend Bush for everthing he does, in fact I am critical of Bush on many topics.

I have noted that on very rare occasion, you are actually not 100% pro-GWB---it hardly elevates you to anywhere close to unbiased.

And I have also noted anytime ANYONE is even mildly critical of GWB---you rush to dredge up some ancient history that is critical of democrats---and never of any past Republican Presidents who have also done much to make our present problems worse.---in logical circles this is properly termed a deflection---in popular parlance a smokescreen, and in forum terms trolling.-------if the shoe fits---wear it.

So lets examine the ending lines of your latest post----which are---------- In February of 1993 an ATF raid resulted in the deaths of 4 AFT agents and 79 Branch Dravidians.
In March of the same year EVERY US Attorney was asked to resign.
In 1997 she refused to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton?s campaign finance operation.
Despite all this Janet Reno was never asked to resign.

Do you really expect us to believe this Gonzales thing in not political in nature?

take em one at a time.

1. An ATF raid resulted in Waco---short for What a Cook out----this raid was cooked up by GHB waco's already in place---a probable surprise to Reno who had not been even nominated yet---and you go on to State what has oft been debunked countless times---saying its why Clinton then fired all 93 US attorneys---------and this does not make you a forum troll and a
prevayer of fine hokum.

2. In 1997 Reno refused to get involved with investigating Clinton's campaign funding---without noting she also did not engage in political witch hunting of similar republican stunts. I kinda think its speaks to her character as an unbiased AG. And did she micro manage Ken Starr or any US attorney?

3. Despite this Reno was never asked to resign---which is a fine bit of revisionist history---all during her tenure---many Repubs were howling for her head. By 1997 they had a majority in the House and Senate---did they--as they could have--take the high road and tried to make the case for impeaching her?

4. Non-Prof John seems to implie that this whole Gonzales thing is simply just politics----just smoke and no fire---nothing to it all---a deep in denial forum troll rides again.

5. If you are so unbiased---why on a thread about Iran---and the recent hostage crisis---do you seek to say anything about Clinton or Reno?---when it has zero, nada , zippo, zit to do with the topic at hand.-------------only forum trolls who need to be called out, branded, tar and feathered, do something that incredibly stupid as to totally self negate any claim of non-bias.

 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton

I was expecting this to come out at some point. The Iranians knew the UK would make their sailors mouthpieces for propaganda as soon as they were returned. Fortunately they made videotape evidence of the captivity of the sailors.

Funny how the sailors never mentioned relaxing, socializing, eating meals, watching football and playing table tennis. :roll: What a life of death struggle.

As opposed to the Iranians making them mouthpieces for propaganda while detaining them.

And let's bold another part of the article that you seemed to ignore:

The images contrasted sharply with the crew's description of their ordeal, which they say included intimidation and isolation.

The front page of Monday's Sun newspaper has a picture of Leading Seaman Turney, 26, with the headline "Faye - My Ordeal".

The newspaper says she feared being raped by the Iranians, was stripped to her knickers and kept in a dingy cell and feared she would never see her daughter again.

And from another article:
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Some of the group were lined up while weapons were cocked, making them fear they would be executed.

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Some of the group was lined up against a wall. Lt Carman recalled: "We were bound, hands behind our backs, blindfolds on, and then shoved up against a wall. I could see people's feet under my blindfold.

"One of the lads heard weapons being cocked. He freaked out and dropped to the floor. He was screaming: 'Lads they are going to execute us.' Somehow I undid my hands from behind my back, pulled my blindfold off. There were guys with weapons there but it didn't look like a firing squad. They were just playing with their weapons."

He added: "That was the worst moment. There was a lot of trickery and mind games being played."

"After that comment someone was sick and as far as I was concerned he had just had his throat cut. From there we were rushed to a room, quick photo and then stuffed into a cell and didn't see or speak to anyone for six days."

Sounds like they were staying at the Hilton.
 

Screech

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Originally posted by: Aimster

Show me facts or stfu.

That was the whole point of my post back on page 1. It doesn't really matter what Britain says. Hell, Blair could argue that he, monica lewinski, and clinton were having an orgy with the sailors at the time, and therefore they weren't in Iran. It doesn't matter. It is Iran's duty to make the case, otherwise they illegally kidnapped solidiers, and they failed to make the case.

Do people forget about the Iraq Intel? O wait you are a Bush fanboy. No wonder.

It is rather unfortunate that unskilled logicians must dredge up irrelevant crap to clog up these debates. However, although you did not intend it as such, it simply furthers my point as an analogy. It was the job of the US to prove Iraq had WMD, not Iraq to prove that they didn't have WMD. In the end, we failed, but went in anyway. In the Iran/sailors case, it is Iran's duty to provide the proof. Here, they fail.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: jpeyton

Fortunately they made videotape evidence of the captivity of the sailors.

Yes, fortunately they violated the Geneva Conventions... You're so similar to those you seem to be against.

The Geneva Conventions are somehow relevant here?
I ask merely for information.
And why can't he point out the absurdity of the situation without being branded a traitor or a terrorist?
Man, this story gets more and more strange. I do hope Britain is now providing training to those "brave souls" (hahahahahahahhaa) still operating in theater. Damn. Embarrassing!

PoW footage breaks the convention.