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Iran Plotted Terrorist Attacks Against United States/Saudi Arabia/Israel

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Lemon law said:
I agree with Hayabusa, the USA can convince themselves, but I don't think the larger world will buy it.

And on the US downside, it may backfire on the USA big time. As Obama attempts to be even less credible than Bozo Netanyuhu.

But who knows, no one has lost a bet on under estimating the stupidity of the American people, and the same is probably true about the world status quo diplomatic community in the short term.

When the bigger question regards are will short terms goals prove wise in the longer term?
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See bolded portion. I don't think it means what you think it does.

Fern
 
Soon as I saw Wofl Blitzer carrying the water for this plot as breaking news it immdiediately came across dubious in nature. Now that a few days of have past it has all been confirmed as a false flag. The absuridty of this propaganda is so PREPOUSTOROUS that Holder should be fired for sheer stupid comedy.
 
Generator said:
Soon as I saw Wofl Blitzer carrying the water for this plot as breaking news it immdiediately came across dubious in nature. Now that a few days of have past it has all been confirmed as a false flag. The absuridty of this propaganda is so PREPOUSTOROUS that Holder should be fired for sheer stupid comedy.
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Where's the confirmation? It if is, I have some strong concerns with our government rolling this out as they did. Who do they think they are, the Bush presidency?
 
obama gets on stage and states that they have credible evidence and it has been shared with other leaders.

then some one else in the government says that it is limited to a group in the Guard and does not extend to the higher ups in the government.
In that case - why the wasted effort to pin Iran?

Distraction?
And again, this supposedly is not current in planning.
 
randomrogue said:
It looks like a false flag but it has not been confirmed to be one.
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I can nearly conclude now that either it is a false flag or Iran is even more incompetent than in our wildest dreams. This operation seems to be run with the same kind of forethought as putting up an ad on Craigslist looking for a hit man to take out your wife for insurance money.
 
So, is this the one that was proved to be another FBI crafted sting operation? where there was no actual threat?

I think it's referred to as a " False Flag Event " in some circles.

randomrogue said:
It looks like a false flag but it has not been confirmed to be one.
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Yeah. Pretty much, If you see the words " FEDs, Foil, Terror " in a sentence, just going by actual events you would have to put the probability at something like 80%+ that it was not an actual threat.


This has been going on forever, it's just become harder to hide since we get information instantly. 40 years ago you could goto war just by bullshitting people like the Gulf of Tonkin. And then when you realize the Gulf of Tonkin was a total lie, you also have to wonder what really happened w\ pearl harbor since the 2 events both dragged us into wars.
 
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airdata said:
So, is this the one that was proved to be another FBI crafted sting operation? where there was no actual threat?

I think it's referred to as a " False Flag Event " in some circles.



Yeah. Pretty much, If you see the words " FEDs, Foil, Terror " in a sentence, just going by actual events you would have to put the probability at something like 80%+ that it was not an actual threat.


This has been going on forever, it's just become harder to hide since we get information instantly. 40 years ago you could goto war just by bullshitting people like the Gulf of Tonkin. And then when you realize the Gulf of Tonkin was a total lie, you also have to wonder what really happened w\ pearl harbor since the 2 events both dragged us into wars.
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Take the tinfoil hat off. Unless you think the Japanese are in on a massive conspiracy I think it's safe to say that the attack on Pearl Harbor is very well documented. They came at us with 6 aircraft carriers and 350 planes. Not really the same thing as the Gulf of Tonkin. Whether we ignored warnings or not might never be fully understood since with 20/20 hindsight of course we made a mistake. I think there were far cheaper and better ways to join the war than allow them to sink our pacific fleet and kill 2,400 Americans.

This Iran thing is just silly. Looking at the Iranian response though they're playing it smart. They're asking us to show them evidence.
 
Never underestimate the power of a false flag attack, especially when yellow journalism
adds to the mix.

Look at the sinking off the USS Maine in Havana harbor over a century ago that ignited the Spanish American war.

To this very day, no ones knows if it was a Spanish agent or a simple coal fired explosion accident common in the era.

But the consequences of the war were quite real.
 
Wow, that is what, 6 people on one page calling this a "false flag" operation with nothing whatsoever to back that up.

The tin foil hat is strong in ATP&N.
 
woolfe9999 said:
Wow, that is what, 6 people on one page calling this a "false flag" operation with nothing whatsoever to back that up.

The tin foil hat is strong in ATP&N.
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a boogeyman use car salesman terrorist who could never even find his house keys.

weapons of mass deception. you have no credibility.
 
al981 said:
a boogeyman use car salesman terrorist who could never even find his house keys.

weapons of mass deception. you have no credibility.
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Right, because the government is in the business of fabricating terrorist plots but they're so stupid they come up with ridiculous stories like "used car salesman." That, or reality is stranger than fiction.

But hey, don't let me interrupt the personal incredulity fest in this thread. We all know that Iran is just a peaceful democracy unfairly targeted by the evil U.S.

- wolf
 
woolfe9999 said:
Right, because the government is in the business of fabricating terrorist plots but they're so stupid they come up with ridiculous stories like "used car salesman." That, or reality is stranger than fiction.

But hey, don't let me interrupt the personal incredulity fest in this thread. We all know that Iran is just a peaceful democracy unfairly targeted by the evil U.S.

- wolf
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You were one of those that bought the Iraqi WMD threat song and dance, line, hook and sinker weren't you? Not to mention all those ludicrous FBI entrapment jokes.

We all know that the US is just a peace loving, democracy spreading nation that doesn't target Muslim nations or nations with commodity resources.
 
GrGr said:
You were one of those that bought the Iraqi WMD threat song and dance, line, hook and sinker weren't you? Not to mention all those ludicrous FBI entrapment jokes.

We all know that the US is just a peace loving, democracy spreading nation that doesn't target Muslim nations or nations with commodity resources.
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Um no, I was saying the WMD thing was a lie before they even invaded. Sorry, I refuse to believe that every single thing the U.S. government says is a lie in perpetuity because of the Bush admin lying about WMD's in Iraq. And I'm really tired of the arrogance of people with a paranoid attitude pretending everyone else is somehow naive.

The arguments that this is a "false flag" operation are extremely weak. The objections have essentially zero merit. They're just rationalizations for people who don't want to believe this.
 
woolfe9999 said:
Um no, I was saying the WMD thing was a lie before they even invaded. Sorry, I refuse to believe that every single thing the U.S. government says is a lie in perpetuity because of the Bush admin lying about WMD's in Iraq. And I'm really tired of the arrogance of people with a paranoid attitude pretending everyone else is somehow naive.

The arguments that this is a "false flag" operation are extremely weak. The objections have essentially zero merit. They're just rationalizations for people who don't want to believe this.
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The evidence for this absurd operation, if you can call it that, are ludicruos at best. Neocon spin + Saudi Arabian war mongering + a pinch of entrapment.

Ya, very solid case.

While there is hardly any evidence of Iranian attacks on the US, the US have actively waged war on Iran, by having US troops operating inside the borders of Iran, by attacking Iran with viruses, by murdering Iranian scientiest, terror bombing air planes with Iranian scientists onboard (or that may have been Israel, but then again, that just shows which nation is the war mongering, assassinating one).
 
woolfe9999 said:
Right, because the government is in the business of fabricating terrorist plots but they're so stupid they come up with ridiculous stories like "used car salesman." That, or reality is stranger than fiction.

But hey, don't let me interrupt the personal incredulity fest in this thread. We all know that Iran is just a peaceful democracy unfairly targeted by the evil U.S.

- wolf
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pretty much. before bush. gulf of tonkin, overthrow of iranian democracy, etc, etc, etc. during bush. weapons of mass deception. and now after bush. same old patterns, same old lies, same old shit.
 
al981 said:
pretty much. before bush. gulf of tonkin, overthrow of iranian democracy, etc, etc, etc. during bush. weapons of mass deception. and now after bush. same old patterns, same old lies, same old shit.
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Have you lied three or more times in your life? If so, are we to presume that every time you open your mouth, you lie? Of course, the argument is much stronger in your case since you are a single individual. You're talking about relating lies of one administration to another, where there is virtually no personnel overlap.

In the real world, everyone lies, at times. I know it's a popular idea that once a liar, always a liar, once an adulterer, always an adulterer, etc. But in reality, people do wrong in one case and right in another. Sometimes wrong in one case and right in ten others.

I look at government assertions case by case. This story is not implausible to me, and I've considered all the reasons given. I'm not convinced this goes all the way up the Iranian government food chain, but I've not seen a persuasive reason to conclude that the government made the whole thing up either.

I believed the WMD's in Iraq thing for awhile, until about a week before the invasion when they called off the UN inspection, saying they needed to invade immeidately due to weather conditions. It didn't smell right. It caused me no cognitive disonance to conclude that the government was being dishonest in that case. I just needed a good reason to arrive at that conclusion. So far, I don't see one here.

- wolf
 
woolfe9999 said:
Have you lied three or more times in your life? If so, are we to presume that every time you open your mouth, you lie? Of course, the argument is much stronger in your case since you are a single individual. You're talking about relating lies of one administration to another, where there is virtually no personnel overlap.

In the real world, everyone lies, at times. I know it's a popular idea that once a liar, always a liar, once an adulterer, always an adulterer, etc. But in reality, people do wrong in one case and right in another. Sometimes wrong in one case and right in ten others.

I look at government assertions case by case. This story is not implausible to me, and I've considered all the reasons given. I'm not convinced this goes all the way up the Iranian government food chain, but I've not seen a persuasive reason to conclude that the government made the whole thing up either.

I believed the WMD's in Iraq thing for awhile, until about a week before the invasion when they called off the UN inspection, saying they needed to invade immeidately due to weather conditions. It didn't smell right. It caused me no cognitive disonance to conclude that the government was being dishonest in that case. I just needed a good reason to arrive at that conclusion. So far, I don't see one here.

- wolf
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that's like having a repeat / proven child molestor babysit your kid. except in this case, the us has never been punished for its crimes.

and LoL! you believed the wmd lies up until the invasion. good stuff! nevermind the fact the weapons inspectors were yelling bullshit the entire runup and the fact that iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.
 
al981 said:
that's like having a repeat / proven child molestor babysit your kid. except in this case, the us has never been punished for its crimes.

and LoL! you believed the wmd lies up until the invasion. good stuff! nevermind the fact the weapons inspectors were yelling bullshit the entire runup and the fact that iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.
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I said I believed it until about a week or two before the invasion. When the weapons inspectors released their interim report I began to have doubts. Days later the Bush admin called off the remaining inspections and at that point I didn't believe it any more. That is how rational people approach an issue. You can be paranoid and assume the government lies every time, and of course you'll be right some of the time.

You have ducked the remainder of my post. I asked you a question - have you ever lied before in your life, and if you have, should anyone trust anything you say about anything? It's your contention that once a liar, always a liar, so I think you need to deal with the implications of your own logic.

- wolf
 
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