Iran planning Air Defense Exercise

[EagleKeeper]

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Nothing wrong with this planning. However, from experience; the way they seem to be going about it, is a show of backslapping rather than a test

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Various radar and other fixed, tactical and airborne surveillance systems would participate, Esmaili told state news agency IRNA on Thursday.

The exercise will also test bombers, refueling planes and unmanned aircraft, Esmaili said.

ISNA said on Monday that F-4, F-5, F-7, and F-14 fighters would participate.

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If nothing else, it will give our intelligence analysts detection information to update.

Notice the list of attack aircraft participating.

 

[Exterous]

Notice the list of attack aircraft participating.

Hmmm...I was under the impression that spares for those were hard to get in Iran and that they were turning to other countries to buy planes

 

[(sic)Klown12]

The fact that they can keep their F-14s flying and stocked with ammo has made me wonder why they haven't put more effort into designing their own planes. With the knowledge they've gained from reverse engineering those systems and the relationship they have with China and Russia they should be able to field something better than what they have now.

 

[Genx87]

If they are truely able to keep those F14s running. It makes me wonder if they cant manufacture them now. It has been over 30 years since parts from us dried up.

 

[EagleKeeper]

If they are truely able to keep those F14s running. It makes me wonder if they cant manufacture them now. It has been over 30 years since parts from us dried up.

The fact that they can keep their F-14s flying and stocked with ammo has made me wonder why they haven't put more effort into designing their own planes. With the knowledge they've gained from reverse engineering those systems and the relationship they have with China and Russia they should be able to field something better than what they have now.

They can potentially get 2-3 F14's up by cannibalizing parts from the rest of the fleet.

How much flight time they are getting is questionable.

they had agents that were caught trying to purchase parts from mothballed F14s

 

[Anarchist420]

I'm not trying to thread crap, but the OP can't ever see his govt doing any wrong nor can he understand why foreign govts would want to defend themselves from the world empire aka the American State.

 

[EagleKeeper]

There is nothing wrong with Iran running an air defense exercise.

The usefulness is more a PR stunt given what they are using to work the exercise from the adversary view.

If the F4/F14 are the adversary; then the results are rigged heavily to the air defense side.

If they are the defenders; the amount of actual airspace that they have the capability to actually defend as interceptor is an illusion.

 

[brandonb]

I'd have to agree with EagleKeeper here. If this is a true test against a specific opponent (USA for example) this is a poor excuse for a test as they are testing against tech we used 30-40 years ago.

If it's a test to make sure the people are awake at the SAM sites and are picking something up on radar. Great, but that type of testing should be more spontanious vs. announcing the date/time.

 

[dawheat]

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Nothing wrong with this planning. However, from experience; the way they seem to be going about it, is a show of backslapping rather than a test


If nothing else, it will give our intelligence analysts detection information to update.

Notice the list of attack aircraft participating.

Doubt there's much about their air defence systems we don't know and I don't think these exercises are targeted toward an American attack but a potential Israeli air attack.

I assume Iran would be able to mimic an Israeli attack with some success - heavy jamming combined with non-stealth F-15s and F-16s (which on radar I assume aren't much different than their aircraft).

If they're not living in a fantasy world, they have to be aware that none of those tactics would be effective against an American air attack.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

http://arabiandefense.blogspot.ca/2010/07/iran-successfully-produce-new.html

 

[EagleKeeper]

I'd have to agree with EagleKeeper here. If this is a true test against a specific opponent (USA for example) this is a poor excuse for a test as they are testing against tech we used 30-40 years ago.

If it's a test to make sure the people are awake at the SAM sites and are picking something up on radar. Great, but that type of testing should be more spontaneous vs. announcing the date/time.

If you do not announce the date/time/altitude and bearing in advance, some trigger happy site operator may shot down one of the few viable attack/intercept aircraft that Iran has.

 

[EagleKeeper]

http://arabiandefense.blogspot.ca/2010/07/iran-successfully-produce-new.html

Yet I have not seen a report of a single F14 of US manufacture or an Iranian variant ever been spotted flying around since 2004-2006 time frame. At that time they claimed to have 24 in flight condition.

Anyone else track down a verifiable flight since then?

They started with about 80 in '79. the numbers show an average loss of 2+ per year.

So 6 years ago they had ~24; this would have them at 10-12 max but none showing up for ceremonies like they did previous to 2006.

 

[brandonb]

If you do not announce the date/time/altitude and bearing in advance, some trigger happy site operator may shot down one of the few viable attack/intercept aircraft that Iran has.

True enough! That was a stupid comment I made.

 

[Anarchist420]

I'd have to agree with EagleKeeper here. If this is a true test against a specific opponent (USA for example) this is a poor excuse for a test as they are testing against tech we used 30-40 years ago.

Ahmedinajahd is a brilliant man and he knows what the hell he's doing... it will contribute to the fall of his opponents. Even if the U.S. govt wins this war, the U.S. Federal Republic will still be destroyed from within.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Ahmedinajahd is a brilliant man and he knows what the hell he's doing... it will contribute to the fall of his opponents. Even if the U.S. govt wins this war, the U.S. Federal Republic will still be destroyed from within.

Two separate issues here in your post and neither refer to the thread topic

Stay on track and backup your conclusions please.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Ahmedinajahd is a brilliant man and he knows what the hell he's doing... it will contribute to the fall of his opponents. Even if the U.S. govt wins this war, the U.S. Federal Republic will still be destroyed from within.

He'd slit your throat. For all I say against Obama I don't see him doing that, and not for lack of courage. Imadinnerjacket has a low cunning, but brilliant? Like a barking dog.

 

[hal2kilo]

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Nothing wrong with this planning. However, from experience; the way they seem to be going about it, is a show of backslapping rather than a test


If nothing else, it will give our intelligence analysts detection information to update.

Notice the list of attack aircraft participating.

Yep, more signatures for the database.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

why is this news? what country doesnt do this sort of thing? they have just as much right as the us to fly planes

 

[EagleKeeper]

why is this news? what country doesnt do this sort of thing? they have just as much right as the us to fly planes

Only because Iran is using this exercise to showcase it's advance technology. If not news, then politics.

There are some of us that are nay sayers; Iran will not be demonstrating advance Iranian technology.

w/ respect to the F14 - it has been 6+ years since one was last seen off the ground.

If Iran is able to pull this off; then it gives some credence to statements on military readiness and encourage diplomacy to resolve the issue over nuclear power.

 

[Anarchist420]

He'd slit your throat.

He'd only slit my throat because of the U.S. govt's actions.

For all I say against Obama I don't see him doing that, and not for lack of courage.

Well, I have to worry about his drones in addition to Ahmadinejahd. Too bad Dr. Paul wasn't elected because at least I'd die right away than have to constantly think about it.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Imagine that. A country taking measures to protect itself. Whoda thunk it?

 

[airdata]

Perhaps they're a peace loving country who fears they're about to be invaded by another country who will use false pretense to invade them as iraq was invaded years ago..

 

[Lemon law]

Maybe the flaw in the EK logic, is that Iran may field such a show, while at the same time not showing its true offensive or defensive capacities.

After all, in a modern air war, its not a matter of plane v plane anymore, its a battle of air to air missiles v air to air missiles. And Israel as the attacking side has the dual handicap of long range, and the questionable stealth of its refueling planes. Shoot down one refueling plane and there goes the capacity of eight planes that will never make it back to Israel. And as it is, to even go the distance to Iran, Israel has to sacrifice the weight of bomb load and the weight of its air to air defensive missiles. And for that matter, even a cheap cheap plane in the class of a piper cub, could carry a air to air missile or two. Nor can Israel achieve the mach 2 or 3 speeds that require the use of afterburners or their planes will run out of fuel in Iranian air space.

As EK also has not kept up to date, as Bozo Netanyuhu and his offense minister have finally woken up to the fact, already known on this forum, that unless Israel is willing to use tactical nukes, they can't even dent Iran's deeply buried nuclear sites.

Nor is EK considering that such a Iranian drill will reveal noting about Iran's offensive ballistic missile capacities. As Israeli planes bombing Iran may be informed, that an Iranian counterstrike has hit many Israeli cities plus Israel reactor at Dismona.

Nor has EK kept up to date on the results of the US election and the fact Bozo Netanyuhu openly aided Romney. And the fact that Israel has a scheduled election on 1/22/2013 that Netanyuhu may not win. That and the fact, the Obama is telling Israel, if they do something preemptive and stupid, Israel is on its own.

But we have been through all those arguments of the past many many times, when what matters is the future that is harder to speculate about. BUT ONE COMMON THREAD RUNS THROUGH HISTORY, WHEN NATIONS DO STUPID THINGS THEY USUALLY ALWAYS PAY THE PRICE.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Where did I ever bring Israel into this picture?

The thread is about Iran planning Air Defense Exercise. not an offensive drill

 

[EagleKeeper]

And we also have one common theme over the past 6-8 years.

Anything that LL predicts w/ respect to Israel will not occur either within the time frame and/or at all.