Iran-Pakistan Gas Pipeline

[EagleKeeper]

Lemon law: P&N military expert in capabilities and strategy/tactics for all over the world :biggrin:

 

[randomrogue]

I think the US is overstepping its bounds. It's time we stop meddling with every country in that region. We got OBL. Sit down at a table and re-evaluate our relationship with Pakistan and make it constructive. Make them trade partners of some sort and act like grown ups.

 

[Lemon law]

In past history, the Predator drone has always been capable of carrying HARM missiles.

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That is simply the problem Nebor. Its well within the rights of drone air craft to defend themselves when in their own airspace. But when they are in the air space of a foreigbn country, they have no right to be there, and if they defend themselves against being shot down, its a US act of war.

The other given is that drones are hard to spot and shoot down, but antidrone technology is sure to follow. And if nothing else, low tech nations may be able to rent it.

 

[Fern]

I think the US is overstepping its bounds. It's time we stop meddling with every country in that region. We got OBL. Sit down at a table and re-evaluate our relationship with Pakistan and make it constructive. Make them trade partners of some sort and act like grown ups.

We, and a bunch of other countries, have trade sanctions against Iran. If we allow Pakistan to trade with Iran that effectively negates the trade sanctions. The only way to stop that is to place restrictions on Pakistan, otherwise they become a trading proxy for Iran to bypass the sanctions.

Give the sanction against Iran, I don't see how Pakistan can expect to violate those and hope nobody will care.

Fern

 

[EagleKeeper]

I think the US is overstepping its bounds. It's time we stop meddling with every country in that region. We got OBL. Sit down at a table and re-evaluate our relationship with Pakistan and make it constructive. Make them trade partners of some sort and act like grown ups.

It is not Pakistan itself, but the fact that Pakistani companies are assisting in violations of sanctions imposed on Iran. So, those companies now have a choice; work with Iran or not. They can give up other markets for Iranian business. Their choice.

The same happened with the Arab embargo of Israel. Companies had to make a choice.

 

[Lemon law]

As soon as we add energy in the form of natural gas, the economic embargo or Iran that is already based on dubious grounds may fall apart entirely. Nor does an Iran to India pipeline have to go through Afghanistan at all.

If the USA and the Israelis do not watch their ass, they will the catch defacto economic embargoes in the near future if no progress is made on an Palestinian State is made in the UN this September.

The Arabs have the oil everyone needs to bring to the table or with hold it, what does Israel and the USA have to offset it? All the goodwill they have already lost counts little recently??????????? Iran and Pakistan will be the least of US worries. India and Russia will be eager to take advantages of new opportunities. Or as EK says, companies and countries have to make a choice.

 

[Nebor]

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That is simply the problem Nebor. Its well within the rights of drone air craft to defend themselves when in their own airspace. But when they are in the air space of a foreigbn country, they have no right to be there, and if they defend themselves against being shot down, its a US act of war.

The other given is that drones are hard to spot and shoot down, but antidrone technology is sure to follow. And if nothing else, low tech nations may be able to rent it.

Oh, well we definitely wouldn't do that!

 

[K1052]

I'm pretty convinced that the USA is an unreliable ally and may slap sanctions upon us at any time. No reason to trust them. It is a much better option to strengthen our relations with the growing powers in our region: China, India and Iran rather than rely on an unpredictable and dying superpower.

China wants you for the resources, India wants you dead, and Iran wants oil/gas money to build nukes. Best of luck to you.

 

[K1052]

If the USA and the Israelis do not watch their ass, they will the catch defacto economic embargoes in the near future if no progress is made on an Palestinian State is made in the UN this September.

Nobody actually gives a shit about the Israeli-Palestinian conflicts except as a wedge issue, not even the Arab states. They sure as shit don't actually want the useless land and people (lots of angry ones) back.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The world will slap an embargo on the US?

Arabs only care about the Palestinians as it relates to distractions to the population in their own countries.

If they cared about Palestine, the state would have been sponsored a long time ago and/or decent munitions would have been delivered to destroy Israel.
Mushroom again.

 

[cirrrocco]

OP works for the beloved patriot government.

I think OP is the govt..

 

[EagleKeeper]

As soon as we add energy in the form of natural gas, the economic embargo or Iran that is already based on dubious grounds may fall apart entirely. Nor does an Iran to India pipeline have to go through Afghanistan at all.

If the USA and the Israelis do not watch their ass, they will the catch defacto economic embargoes in the near future if no progress is made on an Palestinian State is made in the UN this September.

The Arabs have the oil everyone needs to bring to the table or with hold it, what does Israel and the USA have to offset it? All the goodwill they have already lost counts little recently??????????? Iran and Pakistan will be the least of US worries. India and Russia will be eager to take advantages of new opportunities. Or as EK says, companies and countries have to make a choice.

And what does a Palestinian state have to do with the subject other than attempting to hijack the thread

 

[gevorg]

How dare they build a pipeline that doesn't benefit US and its allies.

 

[EagleKeeper]

How dare they build a pipeline that doesn't benefit US and its allies.

No one is stopping them.

 

[Lemon law]

No one is stopping them.

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Or is the USA and Israeli embargo against Iran they advocate nothing but a US attempt to stave off such a pipeline.

Its my historical obsevation, that smart nations take advantage of changes, and to my dismay, the USA is trying to perserve a past that is unsustainable. After all, its my country too.

Who will be right in the end?

When all you pretend patriots lead us to national disaster, it hurts me too.

 

[OCGuy]

It really surprises me that any beloved patriot who is educated enough to read/type English on internet forums will still defend an Islamic state, and not GTFO like every 3rd-worlder with an IQ over 90.

That is why I can repeat with 100% confidence, that OP is part of a beloved patriot government internet propaganda squad. Prove me wrong.

 

[Freshgeardude]

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Or is the USA and Israeli embargo against Iran they advocate nothing but a US attempt to stave off such a pipeline.

Its my historical obsevation, that smart nations take advantage of changes, and to my dismay, the USA is trying to perserve a past that is unsustainable. After all, its my country too.

Who will be right in the end?

When all you pretend patriots lead us to national disaster, it hurts me too.

At least I posted before LL mentioned Israel.



also, since when is Israel's embargo on Iran significant?


Or is it the US, EU, and the UN all deciding independently to embargo Iran?

 

[Doppel]

Another green bean USA sucks thread!

 

[Nebor]

It really surprises me that any beloved patriot who is educated enough to read/type English on internet forums will still defend an Islamic state, and not GTFO like every 3rd-worlder with an IQ over 90.

That is why I can repeat with 100% confidence, that OP is part of a beloved patriot government internet propaganda squad. Prove me wrong.

The OP is rich by Pakistani standards. His desktop PC cost more than the average Pakistani citizen makes in a year. I think it's much, much more likely that he's on the receiving end of some type of US aid or business deal, and more than willing to (anonymously via the internet) bite the hand that feeds him.

I've asked him for his address repeatedly so I can stop by and see him when the US invades Pakistan, but he's yet to supply it.

 

[busydude]

Pakistan = worst beggar in the world.

First it begged from the US

Next it is begging from China

Now Iran has been added to that list.

I guess you cannot do much when their only and best known export industry is spreading terror.

You see GTB, you can fool some people of the world all the time. That's what exactly is happening in PAK. They are being fooled by the terrorists, the military and more importantly the Mullahs of that country.

Is your post relevant to this topic? You forget that India is also involved in this.. just be happy that India and Pak can have some agreement over an issue. The pipeline has to pass through Pakistan to reach India. The US is also planning to impose sanctions on Indian corporations too.. and I see nothing wrong in it.

 

[Lemon law]

Busydude, is half way correct in saying, "Is your post relevant to this topic? You forget that India is also involved in this.. just be happy that India and Pak can have some agreement over an issue. The pipeline has to pass through Pakistan to reach India. The US is also planning to impose sanctions on Indian corporations too.. and I see nothing wrong in it. "

As any Iranian Pipeline to India requires both India and Pakistan to bury the hatchet. Nor need it stop there, any such pipeline makes it possible to feed the energy needs of China too augmented by Russian supplies of Natural gas. Taking much pressure off the pricing of traditional black gold, so it can benefit the USA also.

As for the USA, if it wants to stay stuck on stupid, the nations with energy and over loaded with US debt, can simply cash out of US currency, the whole US merry go round of pretending the USA trade defecit will bring the USA economy to a screechinng halt.

As all those Chineses goods on the shelves of Walmart may costs 10 X what they did yesterday. As the Arabs say, in Allah we trust, all else pay cash.

The US used to be a powerhouse manufacturing country, but now we have forgotten how to make anything.

 

[bfdd]

ll, just look at all the push for "green tech" we don't want to manufacture things that have a use NOW, everyone wants to manufacture the future and it's killing us. Only those with wealth beyond the means of the average person(on a world scale) can afford things like solar panels, this is why it costs 40,000+ dollars to put them up on a house and the government goes and subsidizes a good 75% of it. 10,000 dollars is a LOT of money to dump UP FRONT for energy considering it won't even take most people off the grid. Who has 10k lying around? Not the average American, hell not the Average person in the world. Now who has 40k lying around? lols morons

 

[Freshgeardude]

As the LL the Arab says, in Allah we trust, all else pay cash.

fixed that for you

 

[Lemon law]

fixed that for you

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Don't be a twit FGD, I am an American, but can well understand, why Arabs are likely to start shunning US credit based on dollars.

If the USA takes positions that dis repect Arabs, why should not Arabs express their unhappiness with US?

 

[grebe925]

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After that, it will help the energy needs of Pakistan, but not to the extent it will benefit India. Giving both India and Pakistan powerful incentives to patch up their differences or both will lose the economic benefits of a pipelane.

You must be kidding if you think India will expose it's economic jugular to the very people who are waiting for a chance to slit it.

This whole thing is all hot air that's being released by the pakis to make the Americans "jealous". Just after the bin Laden raid, these useful political idiots of the beloved patriot army were running off to China every other day and making noises about how great their "all weather" friendship was to show the Americans. The Chinese held their nose and played along. Now they're doing the same to Iran who can't stand these guys' guts, given that it's open hunting season on their religious brethren the Shia by the Sunnis.

In the end, pakistan is basically a shvthole with absolutely no concept of modern day commerce and trade with no money to pay for anything. Neither the Iranians nor the Chinese are fools.