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Iran nuclear scientist defects to U.S.

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It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Especially for those of you who honestly believe that Iran should be allowed to have nuclear weapons!
It will also mbe interesting to see how this plays out for those of you who swear that iran ONLY has peaceful intents for the nuclear program!!

Read on....there is a shit load of information in all 3 articles!!


Shahram Amiri Defects To US: Missing Iranian Nuclear Scientist Helping CIA, Reports ABC News

AP) WASHINGTON — An Iranian nuclear scientist who had been reported missing since last summer has defected to the U.S. and is assisting the CIA in its efforts to undermine Iran's nuclear program, ABC News reported Tuesday.

The scientist, Shahram Amiri, has been resettled in the U.S., according to the report.

The CIA had no comment on the report, a spokesman said.

President Barack Obama said Tuesday he hopes international sanctions against Iran for pursuing its nuclear ambitions will be in place this spring. Iran maintains that its nuclear research is for peaceful purposes and not to develop weapons.

Amiri, who worked at Tehran's Malek Ashtar University, an institution closely connected to Iran's Revolutionary Guard, disappeared last June while in Saudi Arabia on a pilgrimage. While his disappearance led to speculation that he had defected and was assisting the West in its efforts to keep track of Iran's nuclear program, the foreign minister for Iran accused the U.S. of helping to kidnap him.

Citing people briefed on the intelligence operation, ABC News said Amiri's disappearance was part of a long-planned CIA operation to persuade him to defect. The CIA reportedly approached Amiri in Iran through an intermediary who made an offer of resettlement on behalf of the United States, ABC News said.

Amiri has been extensively debriefed since his defection, according to the report, and has helped to confirm U.S. intelligence assessments about the Iranian nuclear program.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/30/shahram-amiri-defects-to-_n_519437.html


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Iranian scientist defects: US covert ops hurt Iran nuclear program

Istanbul, Turkey
An Iranian nuclear scientist who disappeared while on a religious pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia last year is reported to have defected to the United States and been briefing the CIA on Iran’s controversial nuclear program.

News's report on Shahram Amiri is a rare public revelation on a long-running covert intelligence effort led by the United States.

Sources briefed on the continuing CIA operation told ABC that Mr. Amiri’s defection was “an intelligence coup” in American attempts to damage and better understand Iran’s controversial nuclear program.

“Amiri’s disappearance was part of a long-planned CIA operation to get him to defect,” ABC reported. “The CIA reportedly approached the scientist in Iran through an intermediary who made an offer of resettlement on behalf of the United States.” Amiri “helped confirm US intelligence assessments” about Iran’s nuclear work.



“Iran has by now enough trained operators and scientists that it would be impossible to decapitate the program by persuading the leading scientists to defect or otherwise making them disappear,” says Mark Fitzpatrick, a nuclear nonproliferation expert at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London. “But in any fledgling nuclear weapons program, there are a small number of key scientists who can make the critical breakthroughs,” Mr. Fitzpatrick told the Monitor.

President Barack Obama on Tuesday said he wanted to quickly see a fourth round of UN sanctions imposed upon Iran, because Iran has not yet been able to convince the UN’s nuclear watchdog agency that it aims only for peaceful energy production. “I’m interested in seeing that regime in place in weeks,” Mr. Obama said after meeting French President Nicolas Sarkozy in Washington.

Building diplomatic momentum for more sanctions was the top agenda item for G-8 foreign ministers meeting in Canada. In their final communiqué on Tuesday, they agreed to “remain open to dialogue” with Tehran but “reaffirmed the need to take appropriate and strong steps” to demonstrate resolve.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Midd...fects-US-covert-ops-hurt-Iran-nuclear-program

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From The Times April 1, 2010

Defection of Iranian nuclear scientist Shahram Amiri ‘a CIA coup’

An Iranian nuclear scientist who disappeared while on pilgrimage to Mecca last year has defected to the United States and is living and working there for the CIA, it was reported yesterday.

Revelations about Shahram Amiri’s defection came as the US and five other world powers, including China, were said to have reached agreement on drawing up new sanctions on Iran over its nuclear programme in the next few days.

The report on ABC News described the defection as “an intelligence coup,” and claimed that information gleaned from debriefing Dr Amiri had added detail and confirmation to existing CIA intelligence assessments about the Iranian nuclear programme. It also increased the growing international pressure on Tehran.

Dr Amiri, a nuclear scientist at Tehran’s Malek Ashtar University, went missing in June last year three days after arriving in Saudi Arabia for the annual haj. Details of his disappearance emerged months later when Iran accused the US of abducting him and lodged a formal protest against Washington with the United Nations.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7082958.ece
 

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This really doesn't mean much. Iran will have nuclear weapons, there is no doubt about it, and this administration is too weak to do anything about it. Everyone knows this.
 

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This really doesn't mean much. Iran will have nuclear weapons, there is no doubt about it, and this administration is too weak to do anything about it. Everyone knows this.

Wrong. Israel won't tolerate a nuclear Iran and everyone knows it would chance a military confrontation than live with a nuclear Islamist state.
 

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This really doesn't mean much. Iran will have nuclear weapons, there is no doubt about it, and this administration is too weak to do anything about it. Everyone knows this.

how is obama's administration too weak? other than just repeating that line over and over... what actions has his administration taken that would undermine america's global hegemony?
 

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This really doesn't mean much. Iran will have nuclear weapons, there is no doubt about it, and this administration is too weak to do anything about it. Everyone knows this.

because of your hatred for this administration, you foegot that israel will do something about it!!

You really need to get over the fact we have a black president.....
 

heyheybooboo

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Score one for the good guys.

Hopefully, Shahram Amiri will turn out to be the real deal and won't turn out to be another Ahmed Chalabi.




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If he was working at the University and just training technicians, I have to be skeptical about how much he knows of the overall Iranian nuclear program or long term planning.

And we should wonder, 20 20 hindsight how valuable he could have been, if left in place and able to get coded documents regarding day to day progress out.
 

quikah

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If he was working at the University and just training technicians, I have to be skeptical about how much he knows of the overall Iranian nuclear program or long term planning.

My understanding is that he is the person that told the CIA about the facilities near Qom.
 

kylebisme

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My understanding is that he is the person that told the CIA about the facilities near Qom.
So some say, but then there were lots of rumors to lend false credibility to Ahmed "Curveball" Chalabi too.
 

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My understanding is that he is the person that told the CIA about the facilities near Qom.
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Whoopie, its not even clear if Iran was required, under original treaty terms, to reveal the facility near Qom before it became operational, and I am not sure if Qom is operational yet.
 

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Wrong. Israel won't tolerate a nuclear Iran and everyone knows it would chance a military confrontation than live with a nuclear Islamist state.

I believe Pakistan is a Nuclear Islamist state. But I could be wrong.
 

ebaycj

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everyone's is going to have nukes soon.

The time is now to purchase all the Uranium and Plutonium on the planet, to prevent this from happening. Might as well do it now while we can still put it on the CCC.
 

fallout man

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He delivered my pizza last night!

Nicest guy ever. I guess what they say about Persian hospitality is true!
 

Hayabusa Rider

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What would be interesting to know is how much this guy knows about the program in general. I have a feeling no one is going to post on this board and tell us though.

As far as he being another Chalabi, that's not a concern. The Big C was a propaganda piece who's purpose was to convince us to go to war, and his "plight" was made very public.

We really don't want to attack Iran right now, because of the internal situation. As it sits, the Establishment isn't as popular as it might be, and attacking would probably be tantamount to another Axis speech. We don't need the Iranians lining up behind them as a result of our attacking.

Eventually the present powers will be deposed, but not overnight. The US will exert whatever influence it has over Israel to NOT attack because of the above. It just makes no sense.

The question becomes one of perceived self interest vs. biting the hand that feeds it. Israel needs our support, but if it genuinely feels threatened it will act. It must.

So we need to do a lot of wishing/praying that political turmoil and recovery leads nuclear development.

Will this be the case? The answer is blowing in the wind.
 

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Which has a secular government. ():)

Islamic provisions


The name 'Islamic Republic of Pakistan' is selected for the state of Pakistan.

Islam is declared as the state religion of Pakistan.

Steps shall be taken to enable the Muslims of Pakistan, individually or collectively, to order their lives in accordance with the fundamental principles and basic concepts of Islam.

Steps shall be taken to make the teaching of the Qur'an and Islamiyat compulsory, to encourage and facilitate the learning of Arabic language and to secure correct and exact printing and publishing of the Qur'an.

Proper organisation of Zakat, waqf and mosques is ensured.

The state shall prevent prostitution, gambling and consumption of alcohol, printing, publication, circulation and display of obscene literature and advertisements.

Only a Muslim could be qualified for election as President (male or female) and Prime Minister (male or female). No restriction as to religion or gender on any other post, up to and including provincial governor and Chief Minister.

All existing laws shall be brought in conformity with the injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Qur'an and Sunnah and no law shall be enacted which is repugnant to such injunctions.

A Council of Islamic Ideology shall be constituted referred to as the Islamic Council. The functions of the Islamic Council shall be to make recommendations to Parliament and the Provincial Assemblies about the ways and means of enabling and encouraging the Muslims of the Pakistan to order their lives in accordance with the principles of Islam.

The President or the Governor of a province may, or if two-fifths of its total membership so requires, a House or a Provincial Assembly shall, refer to the Islamic Council for advice on any question as to whether a proposed law is or is not repugnant to the injunctions of Islam.

For the first time, the Constitution of Pakistan gave definition of a Muslim which states: 'Muslim' means a person who believes in the unity and oneness of Allah, in the absolute and unqualified finality of the Prophethood of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, and does not believe in, or recognise as a prophet or religious reformer, any person who claimed or claims to be a prophet, in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after Muhammad.

The state shall endeavor to strengthen the bonds of unity among Muslim countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Pakistan

If you say so.
 

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Islamic provisions


The name 'Islamic Republic of Pakistan' is selected for the state of Pakistan.

Islam is declared as the state religion of Pakistan.

Steps shall be taken to enable the Muslims of Pakistan, individually or collectively, to order their lives in accordance with the fundamental principles and basic concepts of Islam.

Steps shall be taken to make the teaching of the Qur'an and Islamiyat compulsory, to encourage and facilitate the learning of Arabic language and to secure correct and exact printing and publishing of the Qur'an.

Proper organisation of Zakat, waqf and mosques is ensured.

The state shall prevent prostitution, gambling and consumption of alcohol, printing, publication, circulation and display of obscene literature and advertisements.

Only a Muslim could be qualified for election as President (male or female) and Prime Minister (male or female). No restriction as to religion or gender on any other post, up to and including provincial governor and Chief Minister.

All existing laws shall be brought in conformity with the injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Qur'an and Sunnah and no law shall be enacted which is repugnant to such injunctions.

A Council of Islamic Ideology shall be constituted referred to as the Islamic Council. The functions of the Islamic Council shall be to make recommendations to Parliament and the Provincial Assemblies about the ways and means of enabling and encouraging the Muslims of the Pakistan to order their lives in accordance with the principles of Islam.

The President or the Governor of a province may, or if two-fifths of its total membership so requires, a House or a Provincial Assembly shall, refer to the Islamic Council for advice on any question as to whether a proposed law is or is not repugnant to the injunctions of Islam.

For the first time, the Constitution of Pakistan gave definition of a Muslim which states: 'Muslim' means a person who believes in the unity and oneness of Allah, in the absolute and unqualified finality of the Prophethood of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, and does not believe in, or recognise as a prophet or religious reformer, any person who claimed or claims to be a prophet, in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after Muhammad.

The state shall endeavor to strengthen the bonds of unity among Muslim countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Pakistan

If you say so.


It's a secular government. That doesn't mean without religious influence, because it's painfully obvious that is the case.

Now in Iran those who can run for office have to be approved by the clerics. In Pakistan, people can run for office without such approval. The laws are passed by those who are elected, and while they can't go against religious teachings officially, people have as much say as who can run for office as we have here. Considering the stranglehold the political parties have on us there's not much difference. Bow down and pray to the party platform or thou shall not hold office.
 

fallout man

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It's a secular government. That doesn't mean without religious influence, because it's painfully obvious that is the case.

Now in Iran those who can run for office have to be approved by the clerics.

Funny that...

How many US politicians have run for office successfully without the fundie base approval?
 

Noobtastic

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Funny that...

How many US politicians have run for office successfully without the fundie base approval?

Ignorance as always fallout.

Iran is a oligarchy run by mullahs and a supreme leader. The "fundie base" controls the government. The citizens are largely progressive, except for the leftists who still worship the Islamists.

Drawing parallels to whatever "fundie" bases exist in the USA to the electoral process in Iran...is...well, a demonstrating of severe mental defection. The two countries could not be farther part both in ideology and mode of government.