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Iran Nuclear Bomb Could Be Possible by 2009

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Originally posted by: chucky2

When planes are flying into the World Trade Center, you've reached your decision point. It's time to gather what you know, and act on the likely path.

People can argue that going into Iraq was a mistake, and that's fine. But they have the luxuy and roll of not being responsible for the next 9/11, and the next, and the next, and the next, and the next, etc. At some point, you have to do something...inaction is just as dangerous as action sometimes.

Chuck


So WHAT does Iraq have to do with 9-11? Are you folks still trying to beat that dead horse? Dumya just liked being the "WAR PRESIDENT" as well as wanting to one-up his Daddy, and finish the job Daddy didn't...(because he was smart enough to KNOW what kind of quagmire invading Iraq would be...
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran has the capability to attack whoever they want right now with chemical weapons which will be far deadlier than their junk nuclear bombs will ever be. People think nuclear weapons and major destruction. How big do you think Iran's nuclear bomb will be? It'll be a ****** bomb.

You don't understand the consequences of a nuclear bombing of any Western city by terrorists or a state like Iran do you? It isn't just the physical damage that will be an issue, and even a small bomb will wreck a city, its the physcological damage that occurs. The damage from 9-11 was limited to how many cities? 2. But the economic damage was immense. Multiply that a hundredfold if a nuke goes off in NYC or similar size Western city.

You think our rights are being imposed on now, they would practically not exist as too many would be willing to forgo most of their freedoms provided they didn't have to get nuked (however slim that would be)

Worse will be the calls for revenge.
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
We should fight a proxy war with Iran via Israel!

The Israells should stay out of this. Any aggression towards Iran will provoke the whole Islamic world to declare war on it.
 
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
We should fight a proxy war with Iran via Israel!

The Israells should stay out of this. Any aggression towards Iran will provoke the whole Islamic world to declare war on it.

Again? How many times do they want to get whooped?
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
We should fight a proxy war with Iran via Israel!

The Israells should stay out of this. Any aggression towards Iran will provoke the whole Islamic world to declare war on it.

Again? How many times do they want to get whooped?

Have you forgotten the whopping Israel got on the hands of Lebanon?
 
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
We should fight a proxy war with Iran via Israel!

The Israells should stay out of this. Any aggression towards Iran will provoke the whole Islamic world to declare war on it.

Again? How many times do they want to get whooped?

Have you forgotten the whopping Israel got on the hands of Lebanon?

I know the worlds islamic ego is all puffed up on that. Let's see...
- Did Israel lose any territory? Nope
- Did Israel lose any substantial number of aircraft, ships, tanks? Any defense systems? Any airfields? Any strategic targets? Nope
- Did Israel lose "face" and "pride"? Yes. But sorry, that doesn't pay the piper in a real shooting war.

And by the way - they got "whooped" by a bunch of terrorists because Israel basically still decides to fight like a democratic country - with some regard for civilian life. If they'd taken the gloves off, it would have been a different story.

Sorry, any conventional battle with Israel is going to result in pwnage. The islamic/arabic world can't field a legitimate military, no matter what weapons they buy. That's why Iran wants the bomb. That's why Pakistan has the bomb.
 
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
We should fight a proxy war with Iran via Israel!

The Israells should stay out of this. Any aggression towards Iran will provoke the whole Islamic world to declare war on it.

Again? How many times do they want to get whooped?

Have you forgotten the whopping Israel got on the hands of Lebanon?


They were handcuffed by the UN and world opinion on the matter. Amazing how the press didn't hold Hezbollah responsible for lobbing hundreds of rockets into Israelie cities, killing Jews, Muslims, and Christians, but instead went after Israel for taking out Hezbollah bases of operation which were purposely placed to ensure civilian casualties when taken out.

I would not say whooped, I would say they were kept from fighting using their full ability. Its nearly impossible to have a war without civilians getting in the way, doubly so when the enemy makes sure they do
 
Originally posted by: Shivetya
Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran has the capability to attack whoever they want right now with chemical weapons which will be far deadlier than their junk nuclear bombs will ever be. People think nuclear weapons and major destruction. How big do you think Iran's nuclear bomb will be? It'll be a ****** bomb.

You don't understand the consequences of a nuclear bombing of any Western city by terrorists or a state like Iran do you? It isn't just the physical damage that will be an issue, and even a small bomb will wreck a city, its the physcological damage that occurs. The damage from 9-11 was limited to how many cities? 2. But the economic damage was immense. Multiply that a hundredfold if a nuke goes off in NYC or similar size Western city.

You think our rights are being imposed on now, they would practically not exist as too many would be willing to forgo most of their freedoms provided they didn't have to get nuked (however slim that would be)

Worse will be the calls for revenge.

tell me why is Iran so bad. Please share.

Whatever reason you or anyone else gives, the U.S has done the same thing except 100x worse.
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Sorry, any conventional battle with Israel is going to result in pwnage. The islamic/arabic world can't field a legitimate military, no matter what weapons they buy. That's why Iran wants the bomb. That's why Pakistan has the bomb.

Iran has a larger legitimate military than there are Israeli citizens. I'm sorry but the sheer numbers of the muslim armies can annihiliate the Israeli armies. This not 40 years ago anymore.

You must not forget that the Muslim world includes Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Uniting them is another matter. Until the modern political masters of the west started poisoning muslim minds, the muslims always believed in first defeating external threats.

I would support a war against any Israeli aggression against any muslim country. Obviously western (or American - The Europeans are weak) intervention in any way would complicate matters.

Besides, none of the tactics used by Lebanon were illegal. There is always collateral damage. It's not their fault they don't have the latest precision bombs. Israel killed civilians inspite of having these bombs.

Pakistan is now only a few years away from making an ICBM.

edit for spelling
 
Originally posted by: Shivetya
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
We should fight a proxy war with Iran via Israel!

The Israells should stay out of this. Any aggression towards Iran will provoke the whole Islamic world to declare war on it.

Again? How many times do they want to get whooped?

Have you forgotten the whopping Israel got on the hands of Lebanon?


They were handcuffed by the UN and world opinion on the matter. Amazing how the press didn't hold Hezbollah responsible for lobbing hundreds of rockets into Israelie cities, killing Jews, Muslims, and Christians, but instead went after Israel for taking out Hezbollah bases of operation which were purposely placed to ensure civilian casualties when taken out.

I would not say whooped, I would say they were kept from fighting using their full ability. Its nearly impossible to have a war without civilians getting in the way, doubly so when the enemy makes sure they do

Israeli killed far more civilians than Lebanon did inspite of their superior technology and precision weapons. That speaks volume in itself; perhaps only for those who are not blinded by Israeli propaganda.
 
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Shivetya
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
We should fight a proxy war with Iran via Israel!

The Israells should stay out of this. Any aggression towards Iran will provoke the whole Islamic world to declare war on it.

Again? How many times do they want to get whooped?

Have you forgotten the whopping Israel got on the hands of Lebanon?


They were handcuffed by the UN and world opinion on the matter. Amazing how the press didn't hold Hezbollah responsible for lobbing hundreds of rockets into Israelie cities, killing Jews, Muslims, and Christians, but instead went after Israel for taking out Hezbollah bases of operation which were purposely placed to ensure civilian casualties when taken out.

I would not say whooped, I would say they were kept from fighting using their full ability. Its nearly impossible to have a war without civilians getting in the way, doubly so when the enemy makes sure they do

Israeli killed far more civilians than Lebanon did inspite of their superior technology and precision weapons. That speaks volume in itself; perhaps only for those who are not blinded by Israeli propaganda.

Israel could have used their non-precision weapons and carpet bombed the entire place to kill those scumbags hiding within the civilian population. Doing so would have killed magnitudes more people.

Superior weapons reduce civilian casualty rates imensly.

The only question I have for you is, why are you so blinded by Hezbollah propaganda? What stake do you have in it if they succeed in committing genocide on the Jews?
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
The only question I have for you is, why are you so blinded by Hezbollah propaganda? What stake do you have in it if they succeed in committing genocide on the Jews?

It is you that is blinded by Israeli propaganda. That's fairly obvious when you are brainwashed to believe that Hezbollah aimed to commit genocide on the jews.
 
Good. I pray every country arms themselves and hopefully we will stop having these *#%@ing useless wars. The only scary thing is the thought of people like ProfJohn running the country.
 
Originally posted by: Phokus
Good. I pray every country arms themselves and hopefully we will stop having these *#%@ing useless wars. The only scary thing is the thought of people like ProfJohn running the country.

If by all islamic countries getting nukes and then the middle east annihilating itself, then yes we'll probably stop having these useless wars. But until then, you've got about a billion The Green Beans that are chomping at the bit to get ICBM's and the complete willingness to use them, cause what's a few hundred million muslims if you can get back a tiny piece of irradiated holy land?
 
How interesting that just the day before yesterday, the Jerusalem Post reported that the Russians and their intelligence agencies predicted a U.S. military strike on select Iranian facilities will happen on Good Friday.

I hope ABC will willingly give up more detail about that report.

The entire report was completely sketchy: attributed only to "sources familiar with the dramatic upgrade" - nothing more specific - and was unaccompanied by any corroborating information or any way to assess the veracity or credibility of the claims.

The report is worthless and a complete violation of basic journalistic standards. It provides no information whatsoever about the "sources"

Are they government sources, private individuals, intelligence operatives, Iranian, American or from some other nation, people with a discernible agenda or bias? The ABC News report provides no information whatsoever.

Why would a report attributed exclusively to a term so vague as to be impoverished of any meaning - "sources" - be the slightest bit credible or even worthy of publication?

This ABC News article is almost like a stand-alone statue for the irresponsible journalistic practices that led us into Iraq and which have severely eroded the credibility of our national press.

What a shame that the highest standards of journalism - disseminating the truth, educating the public, and by doing that, making our country a better place for all its citizens - seem not to be acknowledged any more.

Sorry, I smell something "Rovian".

It's Iraq run up redux...


 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Scary stuff. A country like Iran with a nuke should scare everyone.

As this sailor crisis is showing us, they don't play by the same rules as everyone else.
What to do about this could be a HUGE issue in the 2008 election.
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Iran has more than tripled its ability to produce enriched uranium in the last three months, adding some 1,000 centrifuges which are used to separate radioactive particles from the raw material.

The development means Iran could have enough material for a nuclear bomb by 2009, sources familiar with the dramatic upgrade tell ABC News.

The sources say the unexpected expansion is taking place at Iran's nuclear enrichment plant outside the city of Natanz, in a hardened facility 70 feet underground.

A spokesperson for the United Nation's International Atomic Energy Agency, the IAEA, declined to comment citing the "extreme sensitivity" of the situation with Iran.

Iran has already declared its above-ground operations at Natanz have some 320 centrifuges.

The addition of 1,000 new centrifuges, which are not yet operational, means Iran is expanding its enrichment program at a pace much faster than U.S. intelligence experts had predicted.

"If they continue at this pace, and they get the centrifuges to work and actually enrich uranium on a distinct basis," said David Albright of the Institute for Science and International Security, "then you're looking at them having, potentially having enough highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon in 2009."

Previous predictions by U.S. intelligence had cited 2015 as the earliest date Iran could develop a weapon.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has publicly predicted his country would have 3,000 centrifuges installed by this May, but few in the West gave his claim much credence, until now.

"I think we have all been caught off guard. Ahmadinejad said they would have these 3,000 installed by the end of May, and it appears they may actually do it," Albright said.

The new centrifuges are in open defiance of the U.N. Security Council which last week imposed a new set of sanctions on Iran for refusing to halt enrichment.

Iran maintains its enrichment facilities are only meant to produce fuel for nuclear power reactors.

But the uranium they are enriching could not be used in the Russian nuclear power reactor they are currently building.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack declined to comment on the details of Iran's new centrifuges but told ABC News, "This kind of expansion of Iran's centrifuge capability is why we went to the U.N. Security Council and pushed for a stronger resolution and stronger sanctions."

Are these the same people who told us Iraq had WMD?
 
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
"Iran Nuclear Bomb Could Be Possible by 2009"

Yes, I saw the same drawings. I'm still waiting for the paint-by-number documents from intel, to confirm the diabolical plans of Iran. Rumor has it, they bought some yellow cake from Pittsburg.

Maybe they'll bring Powell back for another UN keynote.....
 
Who cares if Iran has a nuke or is going to eventually develop nukes. Why is everyone scared of every country the media convinces you to be scared of? Israel has lots and lots of nukes and I'd be more concerned about Israel. But the media wouldn't have you be scared of some country like Israel run by a bunch of criminal gangsters.

Does anyone remember the USS Liberty attack by Israel?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

If the Nigeria acquires nuclear capability are we going to suddenly be scared of Nigeria? "Hey look over there Somalia has nukes lets invade them!" Come on people use your heads.
 
Originally posted by: dualsmp
Who cares if Iran has a nuke or is going to eventually develop nukes. Why is everyone scared of every country the media convinces you to be scared of? Israel has lots and lots of nukes and I'd be more concerned about Israel. But the media wouldn't have you be scared of some country like Israel run by a bunch of criminal gangsters.

Does anyone remember the USS Liberty attack by Israel?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

If the Nigeria acquires nuclear capability are we going to suddenly be scared of Nigeria? "Hey look over there Somalia has nukes lets invade them!" Come on people use your heads.

Use your heads?????

Maybe we aren't scared of Nigeria or Isreal because they don't go around making idiotic statements like this:

The president then said: "And God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism," according to a quote published by Iran's state news outlet, the Islamic Republic News Agency.

or

"The Islamic umma (community) will not allow its historic enemy to live in its heartland," he said in the fiery speech that centred on a "historic war between the oppressor and the world of Islam". The term "oppressor" is used by the clerical government to refer to the United States.



 
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: dualsmp
Who cares if Iran has a nuke or is going to eventually develop nukes. Why is everyone scared of every country the media convinces you to be scared of? Israel has lots and lots of nukes and I'd be more concerned about Israel. But the media wouldn't have you be scared of some country like Israel run by a bunch of criminal gangsters.

Does anyone remember the USS Liberty attack by Israel?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

If the Nigeria acquires nuclear capability are we going to suddenly be scared of Nigeria? "Hey look over there Somalia has nukes lets invade them!" Come on people use your heads.

Use your heads?????

Maybe we aren't scared of Nigeria or Isreal because they don't go around making idiotic statements like this:

The president then said: "And God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism," according to a quote published by Iran's state news outlet, the Islamic Republic News Agency.

or

"The Islamic umma (community) will not allow its historic enemy to live in its heartland," he said in the fiery speech that centred on a "historic war between the oppressor and the world of Islam". The term "oppressor" is used by the clerical government to refer to the United States.

Whatever, "I'll puff and I'll puff and I'll blow your house down." Seriously North Korea makes statements like this practically every week, but they don't seem to be the flavor of the month on the news. Fidel Castro could make the same statement today, and it probably be a blip on the news and forgotten in five minutes.

But I know, evil Islamics are hiding under your bed. Be scared very scared. :disgust:

 
Originally posted by: dualsmp
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: dualsmp
Who cares if Iran has a nuke or is going to eventually develop nukes. Why is everyone scared of every country the media convinces you to be scared of? Israel has lots and lots of nukes and I'd be more concerned about Israel. But the media wouldn't have you be scared of some country like Israel run by a bunch of criminal gangsters.

Does anyone remember the USS Liberty attack by Israel?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

If the Nigeria acquires nuclear capability are we going to suddenly be scared of Nigeria? "Hey look over there Somalia has nukes lets invade them!" Come on people use your heads.

Use your heads?????

Maybe we aren't scared of Nigeria or Isreal because they don't go around making idiotic statements like this:

The president then said: "And God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism," according to a quote published by Iran's state news outlet, the Islamic Republic News Agency.

or

"The Islamic umma (community) will not allow its historic enemy to live in its heartland," he said in the fiery speech that centred on a "historic war between the oppressor and the world of Islam". The term "oppressor" is used by the clerical government to refer to the United States.

Whatever, "I'll puff and I'll puff and I'll blow your house down." Seriously North Korea makes statements like this practically every week, but they don't seem to be the flavor of the month on the news. Fidel Castro could make the same statement today, and it probably be a blip on the news and forgotten in five minutes.

But I know, evil Islamics are hiding under your bed. Be scared very scared. :disgust:

Do you just not see the hatred many of these people have towards the West??? Get a clue....

The fanatics of this religion of peace would love to detonate a nuke here in the states...

These are the same people who hijacked planes and crashed them into the WTC, killed hundreds in the London and Madrid train bombs, strap suidicide bombs on teenagers to kill innocent civilians and are constantly plotting ways to cause the most terror and destruction anywhere they can...

Iran does not hide their hate for the United States and probably would not have any qualms in supplying their nukes to an organization that wants to see a mushroom cloud over New York or Washington...but you probably don't have problem with that...

Last time I checked, I don't remember any North Koreans, Nigerians, Isrealis or Cubans trying to anything remotely similar to this...if they have, please provide a link.

 
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