Iran Nuclear Bomb Could Be Possible by 2009

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chucky2

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Whatever credibility you're seeking went right down the porcelain bowl with this, chucky2-

You're way out there, pal- way, way out there... comparing the current situation to Pearl Harbor. If that and 9/11 are what you want to base this whole WoT on, then we should be invading KSA- that's where the 9/11 attackers came from, and where the money came from, and where the wahabbi spiritual inspiration came from- not Iran.

And the whole bit about the Iranians "giving" a nuke to "terrorists" is laughable. No nuclear state has ever relinquished control of any weapon to anybody else, not even their closest allies. They are some of a State's most prized possessions, and the ulltimate deterrent to any aggressor.

Which is not to say that the Iranians have or are making any. There's absolutely no proof that they are, and plenty of evidence that their program is peaceful, so far. OTOH, if we want that to change, attacking them is probably the best way to accomplish that...

I'm out of line, how? Extremists in the form of Japanese (and I have no problem with the Japanese, just so we don't have to get off track) decided to end diplomacy and sneak attack Pearl, causing many American deaths, and us to jump into WWII. I guess you're right...what the 9/11 folks did is even worse, as they didn't even try diplomacy, they just outright attacked us, and used civilian planes with civilians in them to destroy civilian targets - on purpose...no errant cruise missle or bomb there.

Saddam is the reason we went after Iraq instead of KSA...because no one in the world really gives that much of a care about him, unlike the royal family in KSA. My point was that we did not go there as retribution for 9/11 - that was Afghanistan - but rather to start the extremely long process of opening the ME eyes to the real West - not the one the radicals over there spoon feed them.

Is that gamble working? I'd say we're not even 50/50 overall right now....but running like pssies probably isn't going to leave a good impression, nor do things like Abu or fabricated things like Koran desecration at Gitmo.

No state that has nukes gives them out because, guess why???? Those states are either Western and not extremist, India or Pakistani who are in a showdown, and China who's so big they just don't care. It's not like the US is going to give a nuke to the Vatican and then the Vatican is going to go Muslim shopping...

As for the Iranians not making any, see my above to MegaWorks...

Chuck
 

chucky2

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Originally posted by: Aimster

Stop posting on P%N. There should be rules for people to post here

Iran is a dictatorship run by an Ayatollah. Not a President

Right, sure. Tell you what, go read this link from CNN (hardly a right wing pro-Bush news source) and then tell me what you meant by your above:

Iranian leader: Holocaust a 'myth'

(btw, all I did was Google "Iranian president" and skipped the Iranian website, and wiki...that CNN link was the first one I came to)

Chuck
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: chucky2
Originally posted by: Aimster

Stop posting on P%N. There should be rules for people to post here

Iran is a dictatorship run by an Ayatollah. Not a President

Right, sure. Tell you what, go read this link from CNN (hardly a right wing pro-Bush news source) and then tell me what you meant by your above:

Iranian leader: Holocaust a 'myth'

(btw, all I did was Google "Iranian president" and skipped the Iranian website, and wiki...that CNN link was the first one I came to)

Chuck

You are making a fool out of yourself.

Iran's President is not the leader of Iran.
You think because CNN posted leader that it makes Iran the leader of Iran?

Fact:
Iran's leader is Ayatollah Khamaneni (spl).
He controls everything inside Iran. He is the boss and nobody can say no to him.



 

Colt45

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Originally posted by: chucky2

Let me ask you this:

Do you believe that any sane government in the world would ever think the US would nuke Mexico, or Canads, or <insert a Central Amer. country here>?

Do you believe we would?

I only seem to recall one country that has ever used a nuclear weapon in war.
 

spacejamz

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Originally posted by: Colt45
Originally posted by: chucky2

Let me ask you this:

Do you believe that any sane government in the world would ever think the US would nuke Mexico, or Canads, or <insert a Central Amer. country here>?

Do you believe we would?

I only seem to recall one country that has ever used a nuclear weapon in war.

I couldn't have said it better my self...A country has to do what it should to protect the lives of its citizens...Hundreds of thousands of causalities were going to occur if America invaded Japan or if America used the atomic bomb...I for one am glad the the US was able to beat Hitler to the punch because I guarantee you that he wouldn't have had any problems in using it if he had it at his disposal.

In case you have not noticed, the times have changes signficantly since the 1940's. Please stop bringing up this 'America is the only country to use a nuclear bomb' argument as it not the same as a hostile government with an lunatic president bent on destroying America and has close ties to terrorist organizations that love decimating innocent people in the name of their god.



 

Jhhnn

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a hostile government with an lunatic president bent on destroying America and has close ties to terrorist organizations that love decimating innocent people in the name of their god.

Elliptical reference to GWB? Only unintentionally, I'm sure...

He'll apparently support anybody who'll kill Iranians or their proxies, from the IDF to MEK to Jundullah and others we've never heard of- all in the name of "Free, Freedom and Liberty!", I'm sure...

The "contributions" of chucky2 and spacejamz to recent threads indicate that the wingnuts have pulled out the stops, called in the reserves...

Something that seems to be happening across the net- a last PR blitz before the bombs start falling, I suspect- very reminiscent of the buildup to the invasion of Iraq and the non-reasons for doing so...
 
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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
a hostile government with an lunatic president bent on destroying America and has close ties to terrorist organizations that love decimating innocent people in the name of their god.

Elliptical reference to GWB? Only unintentionally, I'm sure...
<snip>

Exactly. Couldn't have described Bush better.

 

spacejamz

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Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
a hostile government with an lunatic president bent on destroying America and has close ties to terrorist organizations that love decimating innocent people in the name of their god.

Elliptical reference to GWB? Only unintentionally, I'm sure...
<snip>

Exactly. Couldn't have described Bush better.

Please provide a quote where GWB calls for the annihilation of another country (something along the lines of "Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Wednesday lambasted Israel and Zionism and quoted the late Ayatollah Khomeini calling for Israel to be "wiped out from the map" would be perfect)....

Hope I don't have too wait too long...



 

chucky2

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Originally posted by: Aimster

You are making a fool out of yourself.

Iran's President is not the leader of Iran.
You think because CNN posted leader that it makes Iran the leader of Iran?

Fact:
Iran's leader is Ayatollah Khamaneni (spl).
He controls everything inside Iran. He is the boss and nobody can say no to him.

You didn't actually read that link, did you? Please go read the link and then come back and correct yourself.

Chuck
 

chucky2

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Originally posted by: Colt45

I only seem to recall one country that has ever used a nuclear weapon in war.

I echo spacejamz's reply and add that Japan directly attacekd us first, and started a war to take over the Pacific (and China). In effect, they reaped what they tried to sow.

Chuck
 

spacejamz

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Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
a hostile government with an lunatic president bent on destroying America and has close ties to terrorist organizations that love decimating innocent people in the name of their god.

Elliptical reference to GWB? Only unintentionally, I'm sure...
<snip>

Exactly. Couldn't have described Bush better.

Please provide a quote where GWB calls for the annihilation of another country (something along the lines of "Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Wednesday lambasted Israel and Zionism and quoted the late Ayatollah Khomeini calling for Israel to be "wiped out from the map" would be perfect)....

Hope I don't have too wait too long...

Just wondering if anyone still looking for a quote that proves GWB wants to 'wipe another country off the map' ???


 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: chucky2
Originally posted by: Colt45

I only seem to recall one country that has ever used a nuclear weapon in war.

I echo spacejamz's reply and add that Japan directly attacekd us first, and started a war to take over the Pacific (and China). In effect, they reaped what they tried to sow.

Chuck

So if the USA invades Iran, does it has the right to use Nuclear weapons? In effect, they will reap what they are trying to sow.
 

lozina

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It's also possible Iran could secretly build a DEATH STAR in Earth's orbit and proceed to use it to destroy the entire planet, by April 2010. We really should attack them now before it is too late.
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: spacejamz
Just wondering if anyone still looking for a quote that proves GWB wants to 'wipe another country off the map' ???

The only difference between regime change and wiping a country of the map is the language used. If the Americans keep up their good work, Iraq will be 3 new countries and Afghanistan will have a similar breakup. It's alway easier for an empire to maintain smaller kingdoms within it.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: chucky2
Originally posted by: Aimster

You are making a fool out of yourself.

Iran's President is not the leader of Iran.
You think because CNN posted leader that it makes Iran the leader of Iran?

Fact:
Iran's leader is Ayatollah Khamaneni (spl).
He controls everything inside Iran. He is the boss and nobody can say no to him.

You didn't actually read that link, did you? Please go read the link and then come back and correct yourself.

Chuck

Almost every member on here knows the President of Iran is not the leader of Iran..

so continue to make a fool out of yourself if you wish
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: chucky2
Originally posted by: Colt45

I only seem to recall one country that has ever used a nuclear weapon in war.

I echo spacejamz's reply and add that Japan directly attacekd us first, and started a war to take over the Pacific (and China). In effect, they reaped what they tried to sow.

Chuck

So if the USA invades Iran, does it has the right to use Nuclear weapons? In effect, they will reap what they are trying to sow.

No one has to have a "right" according to our opinion to use a nuclear weapon. That's why proliferation and privatization needs to be contained to states and entities we know fear MAD.

Hezbollah (Iran) isn?t one of them.

It just comes down to something simple. Some of us are concerned about proliferation, some of us aren?t.
 

chucky2

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Aimster, please go and read the entire link please...

...it is you who is looking like a fool, because all you have to do is read what I linked to, to see just how wrong what you are saying is.

Do I need to start pulling quotes out of the link for you, or can you please go read the entire thing?

Chuck
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: chucky2
Originally posted by: Colt45

I only seem to recall one country that has ever used a nuclear weapon in war.

I echo spacejamz's reply and add that Japan directly attacekd us first, and started a war to take over the Pacific (and China). In effect, they reaped what they tried to sow.

Chuck

So if the USA invades Iran, does it has the right to use Nuclear weapons? In effect, they will reap what they are trying to sow.

No one has to have a "right" according to our opinion to use a nuclear weapon. That's why proliferation and privatization needs to be contained to states and entities we know fear MAD.

Hezbollah (Iran) isn?t one of them.

It just comes down to something simple. Some of us are concerned about proliferation, some of us aren?t.

Concerned based on what? Propaganda?

 

spacejamz

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Just wondering if anyone still looking for a quote that proves GWB wants to 'wipe another country off the map' ???

The only difference between regime change and wiping a country of the map is the language used. If the Americans keep up their good work, Iraq will be 3 new countries and Afghanistan will have a similar breakup. It's alway easier for an empire to maintain smaller kingdoms within it.

nice copout....

I said earlier that the Iranian President was a lunatic bent on destroying America and the Bush haters automatically make a direct comparison between these two. For some reason, they still have not provided a reference to back up their claims.

I have already provided proof (which is pretty easy to find, heck, even the Al Jeezera site I cited earlier in this thread shows this wacko wants a war with Isreal and the US) to substanstiate my arguement.

Still waiting for the proof that Bush is wanting to 'wipe a country off the map' in a similar fashion to the Iranian whackjob to prove these guys are the same...


 

spacejamz

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Almost every member on here knows the President of Iran is not the leader of Iran..

so continue to make a fool out of yourself if you wish

So where are the Atollayah's response condemning the president's wish to 'wipe Isreal off the map'?

Or is it possible that he agrees with the president since he is not making any attempts to oppose this point of view?
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: spacejamz
Almost every member on here knows the President of Iran is not the leader of Iran..

so continue to make a fool out of yourself if you wish

So where are the Atollayah's response condemning the president's wish to 'wipe Isreal off the map'?

Or is it possible that he agrees with the president since he is not making any attempts to oppose this point of view?

Damn, have you been living under a rock? I didn't know there are still people out there toting that fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel
 

spacejamz

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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Almost every member on here knows the President of Iran is not the leader of Iran..

so continue to make a fool out of yourself if you wish

So where are the Atollayah's response condemning the president's wish to 'wipe Isreal off the map'?

Or is it possible that he agrees with the president since he is not making any attempts to oppose this point of view?

Damn, have you been living under a rock? I didn't know there are still people out there toting that fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel

I guess it depends on which disputed version of the translation you choose to believe then...I didn't realize the official transcipt was 'Wipe Isreal away'...that makes it sound soo much better though...

Surely you are not implying he wants a peaceful co-existent with Isreal, are you???

Is there even a doubt on his stance with Isreal?? Let's look at some of the comments he has made since 2006...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad#_note-94

Ahmadinejad has compared Israel's actions in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict to Adolf Hitler's actions during World War II saying that "Just like Hitler, the Zionist regime is just looking for a pretext for launching military attacks" and "is now acting just like him."[102]

On August 8, 2006, he gave a television interview to Mike Wallace, a correspondent for 60 Minutes, in which he questioned American support of Israel's "murderous regime" and the moral grounds for Israel's invasion of Lebanon.[7]

On December 2, 2006, Ahmadinejad met with Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyah in Doha, Qatar. At that meeting, he said that Israel "was created to establish dominion of arrogant states over the region and to enable the enemy to penetrate the heart Muslim land." He called Israel a "threat" and said it was created to create tensions in and impose US and UK policies upon the region.[103]

On December 12, 2006, Ahmadinejad addressed the International Conference to Review the Global Vision of the Holocaust, and made comments about the future of Israel. He said, "Israel is about to crash. This is God's promise and the wish of all the world's nations." He continued, "Everyone must know that just as the U.S.S.R. disappeared, this will also be the fate of the Zionist regime, and humanity will be free."[104]

And then there is that whole 'the Holocaust was just a myth' thing...
 

chucky2

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spacejamz- If you go read the link I'd posted before, I think you'll understand just where Iran's Leadership stands.