Iran launches new crackdown on unIslamic fashion

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
From Palehorse-

But you still didnt address the problem of the nuclear weapons research... ?

You haven't established that there is any, nor has anybody else...

Start with that, otherwise your question assumes "facts" not in evidence, the standard rightwing ploy...

Might as well ask this-

But you still didn't address the problem of Sasquatch

most of the world agrees that Iran has crossed the line on nuclear research - especially given the fact that they shouldnt be doing any nuclear research at all!

Excellent dodge, Palehorse. When confronted point blank about your "nuclear weapons research" assertion, you merely shift focus to another equally unsubstantiated allegation about that subject...

uhh, Iran proudly announced their research into nuclear technology - so how exactly is that accusation "unsubstantiated"?!

I'll take that as an admission that there is no evidence in support of the allegations, which are pure scaremongering of the worst sort...

You'll see it eventually... if it comes to that.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
From Palehorse-

But you still didnt address the problem of the nuclear weapons research... ?

You haven't established that there is any, nor has anybody else...

Start with that, otherwise your question assumes "facts" not in evidence, the standard rightwing ploy...

Might as well ask this-

But you still didn't address the problem of Sasquatch

most of the world agrees that Iran has crossed the line on nuclear research - especially given the fact that they shouldnt be doing any nuclear research at all!

Lack of education on the topic being discussed.
First thing you should do is stop posting.
After that you can figure it out yourself.

Iran has a right to nuclear technology and energy. It also has a right to nuclear research.

 

[Jhhnn]

Palehorse isn't that dense, Aimster. His efforts are part of a deliberate disinformation scheme, and aren't representative of a lack of education, at all.

Unable to substantiate the "nuclear weapons research" claim, he simply shifts gears, makes other assertions with a similar slant-

most of the world agrees that Iran has crossed the line on nuclear research -

That's an appeal to higher authority, with no supporting documentation whatsoever- a logical fallacy, meaningless except as an emotional lever...

And this-

especially given the fact that they shouldnt be doing any nuclear research at all!

Which is the common tactic of expressing opinion as if it were fact, again with the goal of eliminating the need for reason or evidence to support the claim.

When exposed as a propagandist, he obfuscates, feigns innocence-

uhh, Iran proudly announced their research into nuclear technology - so how exactly is that accusation "unsubstantiated"?!

The original accusation was that it's weapons research, also that most of the world disapproves, and that the Iranians have no right to do so- mere accusations, presented as truthiness...

Usually a rather skilled operator, Palehorse depends on his audience accepting certain premises, of having been rendered emotionally receptive to his claims before he's even made them. His understanding and exploitation of circular logic indicates that he's not a victim, but rather a perpetrator of it...

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Palehorse isn't that dense, Aimster. His efforts are part of a deliberate disinformation scheme, and aren't representative of a lack of education, at all.

Unable to substantiate the "nuclear weapons research" claim, he simply shifts gears, makes other assertions with a similar slant-

most of the world agrees that Iran has crossed the line on nuclear research -

That's an appeal to higher authority, with no supporting documentation whatsoever- a logical fallacy, meaningless except as an emotional lever...

And this-

especially given the fact that they shouldnt be doing any nuclear research at all!

Which is the common tactic of expressing opinion as if it were fact, again with the goal of eliminating the need for reason or evidence to support the claim.

When exposed as a propagandist, he obfuscates, feigns innocence-

uhh, Iran proudly announced their research into nuclear technology - so how exactly is that accusation "unsubstantiated"?!

The original accusation was that it's weapons research, also that most of the world disapproves, and that the Iranians have no right to do so- mere accusations, presented as truthiness...

Usually a rather skilled operator, Palehorse depends on his audience accepting certain premises, of having been rendered emotionally receptive to his claims before he's even made them. His understanding and exploitation of circular logic indicates that he's not a victim, but rather a perpetrator of it...

Most of the civilized world also agrees that Iran should not be doing any nuclear research - even for supposedly "peaceful" purposes. Google will give you 10000+ references to that fact.

Given their public admission that they are conducting said research, we're supposed to accept their claims of peaceful intent at face value. We're supposed to accept that the same President who called for Israel's being wiped off the map is trustworthy enough to enrich uranium for energy-related purposes. We're just supposed to accept that the same government that overtly supports Hezbollah, a terrorist group, is trustworthy enough to possess nuclear materials!?

I'm sorry folks, that's just absurd. The US may be a bully from time to time, but in most cases, the victims deserve it. Iran is giving the finger to the entire world and openly supporting terrorism. That is simply inexcusable.

 

[Jhhnn]

Now it's time to drag out the "Terrarist!" boogeyman, all else having failed, eh, palehorse?

Try not to mention the Contras, the Mujahedin, MEK, PJAK, El Salvador, Guatemala, Chile or the Bushistas new pals, Jundullah... Colombian paramilitaries, the former Junta in Argentina... the list goes on... Including the former ruler of Iran... and the current rulers of KSA, the nation where most terrorist funding originates...

Depending on POV, the govt of Israel and of several former soviet states in cental asia fit the profile, too...

Raving about how Iran supports Hezbollah is more than a little dishonest, all things considered...

Add the mistranslation of the Iranian President's remarks to the list of known falsehoods...

So, uhh, any backup for the assertion of an Iranian nuclear weapons program? No? Get back to me when you've got something other than hot air, OK?

 

[Alistar7]

Jhhnn - Iran supports and harbors terrorists. The international consensus regarding their nuclear development is clear, however of course you are entitled to your own opinion.

Anyone wonder why Iran doesn't want to see a vibrant, functioning, democratic, economically successfull, secular nation right next door? That is Iran's fate as well, but IMO their change will come from within.

Did you see the womans protest video that was linked, this is not limited to merely the majority younger generation.

Separation of church and state FTW.....

 

[Alistar7]

Israel's Osirak Attack

The Israelis had watched apprehensively for two years as Saddam appeared to be nearing a nuclear weapons capability. The centerpiece of his effort was a French-built Osirak-type nuclear reactor turning out plutonium at Tuwaitah. (Note 40) After considerable internal debate within the Israeli ruling circle, Begin ordered his aircraft to bomb it to derail the Iraqi nuclear bomb effort. (Note 41)

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/mcnair41/41osi.htm


A Preemptive Attack on Iran's Nuclear Facilities: Possible Consequences

http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/040812.htm

Rather lengthy, detailed analysis ^ but worth the read IMO.

Natanz is a nuclear facility, the previously secret existence of which was disclosed by the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI) an Iranian opposition group in August 15, 2002.[19] Satellite imagery made available in December 2002 indicated that Natanz may be used as a gas centrifuge facility for uranium enrichment.[20] Iran subsequently invited IAEA inspectors to visit the facility under construction at Natanz in early 2003. During a February 2003 visit, Iran advised IAEA chief Mohamed El-Baradei of the near-completion of a uranium pilot fuel enrichment plant (PFEP) and continuing construction of a large fuel enrichment plant (FEP). Upon completion, the pilot plant will house approximately 1,000 P-1 gas centrifuges.[21] During the 2003 visit, the IAEA inspectors noted, fully operational new centrifuges in the nuclear complex and the IAEA reported the possible presence of HEU at the PFEP facility later that year, apparently contradicting Iran's claim that it had not carried out enrichment procedures. Iran has suggested that the HEU particles that were found must have been on imported centrifuge equipment. The FEP complex is very large and being built partially underground, leading some to question its purported peaceful character.[22] From a nonproliferation standpoint, in the absence of IAEA intrusive verifications and inspections, the facilities at Natanz can become a major concern. When completed, it is estimated that Natanz will be capable of producing weapons-grade uranium sufficient for several weapons per year, employing more than 50,000 centrifuges.[23] Uranium extracted from mines in Yazd Province will allow Iran to be self-sufficient in its quest to produce the fuel needed to run its nuclear power stations, obviating the current need for regulated Russian nuclear fuel.

Q&A: Iran and the nuclear issue

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor...iddle_east/4031603.stm

What is Iran supposed to do?

It has to stop all enrichment activities, including the preparation of uranium ore, the installation of the centrifuges in which a gas from the ore is spun to separate the richer parts and the insertion of the gas into the centrifuges. It also has to suspend its work on heavy water projects, notably the construction of a heavy water reactor. Such a reactor could produce plutonium, an alternative to uranium for a nuclear device.

Will more sanctions be imposed?

The US and its closest allies on this issue - Britain, France and Germany - will press for further measures in the Security Council against more individuals and organisations in an attempt to bring further pressure on Iran. But this depends on getting the council to agree.

As of 2006, nuclear power did not contribute to the Iranian energy grid. Their vast natural gas resources can provide for their energy needs for 400 years.

I agree no military action will be, or should be taken. They have the ability to rebuild the program using internal resources and intelligence. The best we could do would be to set back their acquisition for another 3-5 years. I honestly cannot see Iran ever striking first with nuclear weapons though.

 

[Alistar7]

Islamic Barbarian Theocracy: Invaders and Occupiers of Iran
Feb 26, 2006
Letter to editor, Amir

http://www.iranian.ws/cgi-bin/.../exec/view.cgi/6/13586

I have come across some sentiment that depicts the current Islamic Regime as a foreign occupying force in Iran. The term "second Arabo-Islamic invasion of Iran" has gained popularity. Are these sentiments based on the truth, or are they baseless and just rhetoric?

Indeed, these barbarians can only be thought of as foreign invaders. They call themselves Iranians, but are they really Iranians?

This was more a Revolution from without than a Revolution from within. Regardless of its origins, the result was obvious: a ruling theocratic Islamic regime from hell. Power was handed to Islamic Mullahs, people whose only intellectual interest is the religion that spurted from an Arabic, tribal, nomadic way of life. A religion which developed and has remained in medieval times.