Iran launches new crackdown on unIslamic fashion

[ProfJohn]

First they rationed gas causing riots.
Now they are pushing the Islamic fashion thing again.

Sooner or later the people are going to decide they have had enough and rise up. They have come close to this in the past. The only thing saving the Iranian government is thugs with baseball bats.
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Iran on Monday launched a new wave of a moral crackdown against women who "dress like models" and men whose hairstyles are deemed unIslamic, police said.
Tehran's police force dispatched dozens of police cars and minibuses into the early evening rush-hour to enforce the dress rules at major squares in the city centre, an AFP correspondent said.

The new "plan to increase security in society" -- which is limited to Tehran but will later extend nationwide -- comes after a pre-summer drive by the police resulted in thousands of warnings and hundreds of arrests.

"We have vowed to continue the campaign to reinforce the plan to increase security in society with new personnel who have received the necessary training," the Tehran police head of information Mehdi Ahmadi told reporters as the first police forces were dispatched.

"This notably includes the use of 100 female police officers," he added.

He said the campaign would target women who were badly veiled, wore overly tight overcoats, sported excessively short trousers and were "dressed like models."

"As far as men are concerned we will act against those who have Western-style haircuts and clothing. We are also going to act against clothes shops and hairdressers."

Ahmadi said the police's policy will be first to give a verbal warning to those who infringe the law and if necessary they will then be arrested and taken for "consultation."

"Normally the problem is resolved here. If not, and these cases are often those of re-offenders, the case is sent to the judiciary," Ahmadi said.

Women in Iran are obliged to cover all bodily contours and their heads, but in recent years many have pushed the boundaries by showing off bare ankles and fashionably styled hair beneath their headscarves.

Although the April crackdown was the severest such drive in years, some women are still donning figure-hugging coats and skimpy headscarves. The wacky hairdos favoured by some young men in Tehran are also much in evidence.

By renewing the drive, it appears the police want to send a message that they are serious about enforcing the dress rules.

Many conservatives have applauded the crackdown as important to protect the security of society, but moderates have publicly questioned whether Iran would be better off tackling poverty and crime rather than slack dressing.

 

[ProfJohn]

An example of a past uprising in Iran.
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Tehran was left in a standstill this evening as the population poured into the streets to mark the national 'fire' festival of Chahar-shanbeh Souri despite intense pressures by the Iranian regime to prevent a possible uprising.

Eye-witnesses reported that full-size puppets of high-ranking officials, such as the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the regime's president Mohammad Khatami, were set on fire by youths at numerous locations throughout the Iranian capital. Trucks belonging to Iran's security forces were also set ablaze.

"Guns, tanks, the Bassij (Para-military security forces) no longer have an effect", large crowds shouted in central Tehran, as they took part in the traditional celebrations where Iranians jump over fires ablaze on the streets.

Despite a general ban on the festival by the regime and repeated demands by the Iranian authorities that people avoid leaving their houses on the day, the main Iranian opposition group, the People's Mojahedin Organisation of Iran (PMOI) issued a call for the nation to take part in the event and call for the overthrow of the clerical regime.

The authorities brought in State Security Forces to create an atmosphere of fear, causing tensions to spark, leading to riots and clashes in several districts throughout Tehran.

"Khamenei resign! Get off your throne", youths shouted, as the government unleashed its Revolutionary Guards to crack down on the demonstrators.

Residents reported that pictures of Maryam Rajavi and Massoud Rajavi, leaders of the Iranian opposition, were being distributed throughout Tehran and other major cities, including Mashad, Tabriz, Isfahan, Rasht, Lahijan, Hamedan, Arak, Sanandaj, Babol, Boukan, Saqqez, Mahabad, and Baneh, as SSF agents attempted to contain the demonstrators.

Anti-government protestors defied the government ban also chanted slogans in support of the National Liberation Army of Iran (NLA), according to local Tehran residents.

In Isfahan, youths clashed with SSF and Bassij agents, as authorities tried to prevent protesters from lighting up bonfires. Hit-and-run clashes continued until midnight, eye-witnesses reported.

Thousands of people gathered in Vali-Asr Square in the city of Tabriz to celebrate the fire festival. Young people set off smoke bombs and sonic booms. Clashes were reported at Abressan Junction, where a huge crowd assembled.

A number of districts of the city of Karaj were turned into hubs of anti-government protests by young people, who set fire to several patrol cars of security forces. In some districts, young people chanted ?down with the dictator? and ?down with Khamenei".

Among the displays in the capital, residents reportedly placed miniature banners on dogs in the streets of Tehran, mocking Iran's lame-duck president, reading, "Khatami, we love you! Iranian Dogs Association".

 

[Hacp]

The only ones who care are the youth student groups. The older, more conservative Iranians don't really care, hence the support for the current Iranian president,ahmadinejad, over his more liberal predecessor.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Hacp
The only ones who care are the youth student groups. The older, more conservative Iranians don't really care, hence the support for the current Iranian president,ahmadinejad, over his more liberal predecessor.

You do know that the median age in Iran is only 25.

In the US it is 36. UK 39. Canada 39.
You get the point? It is a very young country, and the young people have very little power or control. Sooner or later the over 50% of the people who do not like the hard line government will rise up and demand more freedom and better treatment.

 

[jpeyton]

how much longer till a revolution?

Never?

 

[StageLeft]

Sooner or later the people are going to decide they have had enough and rise up.

Agreed, like they just did in North Korea against Dear Leader. And like they did in Cuba. And Iraq. And Libya.

 

[Harabec]

"Security of society"?
Heh, ok.

You can't stop progress. Even if it won't be in our lifetime - these things do take time.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Hacp
The only ones who care are the youth student groups. The older, more conservative Iranians don't really care, hence the support for the current Iranian president,ahmadinejad, over his more liberal predecessor.

Iran's President is not popular in Iran.

He won because of promise to take money from the rich government officials and give it to the poor.

Rather he is giving all of Iran's money to Arabs and Iranians are like <^> you.

 

[Aimster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYb0x5F1tJM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HupfE5rV4HE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUbwHXwooMw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kTFxuNR95Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr5pef2gm4c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbUn2EGWfqo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIudQdigUgk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugkHNj-ytlM


You've got to be fearless to start these protests.
All the student leaders have been imprisoned or put under house arrest.
Even the students who spoke negative about the president at Tehran University were arrested later on after they were identified.

Just get an education and go to some ivy league school in the U.S. Much better time spent IMO.

 

[jonks]

First reaction: this is one reason why we're better than them. Not culturally different, culturally better. Bill Maher's fond of saying, "don't be so tolerant that you tolerate intollerance." Separation of church and state = better, equality of sexes = better, rule of law = better, not stoning to death gays and adulterer = better. Of course, this isn't new.


Seond reaction:
There will probably be a point where the revolution is imminent. The people of Iran will have had enough of their leader, and will prepare to take to the streets to displace him. There will be secret meetings, gatherings of resistance members, plans and contingencies enacted. The day will finally arrive....

And the US will probably attack that day, uniting a country divided, because the people may not like the way things are going in Iran, but then they glance over the border and see how well things are going under US occupation in Iraq and decide, maybe revolution can wait...

It could happen

 

[Azndude2190]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
First reaction: this is one reason why we're better than them. Not culturally different, culturally better. Bill Maher's fond of saying, "don't be so tolerant that you tolerate intollerance." Separation of church and state = better, equality of sexes = better, rule of law = better, not stoning to death gays and adulterer = better. Of course, this isn't new.


Seond reaction:
There will probably be a point where the revolution is imminent. The people of Iran will have had enough of their leader, and will prepare to take to the streets to displace him. There will be secret meetings, gatherings of resistance members, plans and contingencies enacted. The day will finally arrive....

And the US will probably attack that day, uniting a country divided, because the people may not like the way things are going in Iran, but then they glance over the border and see how well things are going under US occupation in Iraq and decide, maybe revolution can wait...

It could happen

you mean the violence and bloodshed?

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Hacp
The only ones who care are the youth student groups. The older, more conservative Iranians don't really care, hence the support for the current Iranian president,ahmadinejad, over his more liberal predecessor.

HA.

99% of Iranians know this is ridiculously retarded. Fining guys for Western Haircuts? The admin needs to realize what is stupid and what isn't.

Aimster - Iran's $$ is being filetered to influence in Iraq

edit:

sorrrry foo

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Azndude2190

Originally posted by: sirjonk
First reaction: this is one reason why we're better than them. Not culturally different, culturally better. Bill Maher's fond of saying, "don't be so tolerant that you tolerate intollerance." Separation of church and state = better, equality of sexes = better, rule of law = better, not stoning to death gays and adulterer = better. Of course, this isn't new.


Seond reaction:
There will probably be a point where the revolution is imminent. The people of Iran will have had enough of their leader, and will prepare to take to the streets to displace him. There will be secret meetings, gatherings of resistance members, plans and contingencies enacted. The day will finally arrive....

And the US will probably attack that day, uniting a country divided, because the people may not like the way things are going in Iran, but then they glance over the border and see how well things are going under US occupation in Iraq and decide, maybe revolution can wait...

It could happen

you mean the violence and bloodshed?

I'm not sure what your angle is. I was sarcastically hypothesizing that Iran would reach a point where it would be ready to throw out it's own version of Saddam, but the US would intervene at exactly the wrong moment. People may hate their governments, but they don't want an external country's government to come in and take over either.

For the record, I don't think we will attack Iran, and I don't think we should attack Iran. As things stand now anyway. Differing facts = differing opinion.

 

[Fern]

Iran on Monday launched a new wave of a moral crackdown against women who "dress like models" and men whose hairstyles are deemed unIslamic

Hah, interesting, the Koran apparently has a "dress code" section.

Kinda of add how the 80% of Muslims living outside of Arabs countries don't seem to find the "dress code" section in their Korans.

Fern

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Fern

Iran on Monday launched a new wave of a moral crackdown against women who "dress like models" and men whose hairstyles are deemed unIslamic

Hah, interesting, the Koran apparently has a "dress code" section.

Kinda of add how the 80% of Muslims living outside of Arabs countries don't seem to find the "dress code" section in their Korans.

Fern

Well there is...but its very general, and emphasizes "modesty". The hard part is to come down to a very specific definition of modesty- because modest today is probably considered vulgar 200 years ago. I think tis a realistically continous debate as to the specific definition of Modest (and its always within certain constraints. I don't think walking around outside with just a bra on will be considered modest by any school of thought ) The Hadith plays a bigger role here and it defines a lot more than the Quran does so it is utilized a lot more, although I have no further idea about the details of any of the Haidth, and how "authentic" they are considered, and where they came from

in a round about way, I'm just agreeing with you

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Fern

Iran on Monday launched a new wave of a moral crackdown against women who "dress like models" and men whose hairstyles are deemed unIslamic

Hah, interesting, the Koran apparently has a "dress code" section.

Kinda of add how the 80% of Muslims living outside of Arabs countries don't seem to find the "dress code" section in their Korans.

Fern

Well there is...but its very general, and emphasizes "modesty". The hard part is to come down to a very specific definition of modesty- because modest today is probably considered vulgar 200 years ago. I think tis a realistically continous debate as to the specific definition of Modest (and its always within certain constraints. I don't think walking around outside with just a bra on will be considered modest by any school of thought ) The Hadith plays a bigger role here and it defines a lot more than the Quran does so it is utilized a lot more, although I have no further idea about the details of any of the Haidth, and how "authentic" they are considered, and where they came from

in a round about way, I'm just agreeing with you

Young muslim woman walks around in a bra. "I don't think I look very good in this."
Male admirer: "Oh come now, you're being too modest!"

Law circumvented

 

[azazyel]

they do this every year and in a month things will be back to normal.

edit for link:

"Everyone knows next month there will be the annual ritual crackdown, when the police will reprimand thousands of women for defying the official code. And everyone knows that, once it is over, scarves will creep back a little further and heels will get a little higher."


http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/...e_id=1770&in_a_source=

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: azazyel
they do this every year and in a month things will be back to normal.

edit for link:

"Everyone knows next month there will be the annual ritual crackdown, when the police will reprimand thousands of women for defying the official code. And everyone knows that, once it is over, scarves will creep back a little further and heels will get a little higher."


http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/...e_id=1770&in_a_source=

Oh, so they'll get back to just hanging gays?
http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ul...et_topic&f=13&t=000969

And stoning adulterers?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288793,00.html

And torturing journalists?
http://vigilant.tv/article/380...-for-false-confessions


Yay for back to normal!

 

[palehorse]

I'm still waiting for Lemon Law to come into the thread and deny Islam's influence on the issue... After all, in Lemon's mind, Christian fanatics are currently, and inherently more violent and dangerous than Islamic fanatics.

That said, I cant wait to see Iran's revolution! I do not desire any type of war with Iran; however, someone over there needs to wake up and effect some drastic changes very soon, or war with the West may be inevitable.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: azazyel
they do this every year and in a month things will be back to normal.

edit for link:

"Everyone knows next month there will be the annual ritual crackdown, when the police will reprimand thousands of women for defying the official code. And everyone knows that, once it is over, scarves will creep back a little further and heels will get a little higher."


http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/...e_id=1770&in_a_source=

Oh, so they'll get back to just hanging gays?
http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ul...et_topic&f=13&t=000969

And stoning adulterers?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288793,00.html

And torturing journalists?
http://vigilant.tv/article/380...-for-false-confessions


Yay for back to normal!

Those 'gays' were actually convicted of molesting a young boy.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

how much longer till a revolution?

Never?

Smart man.

 

[Jhhnn]

If the US really wants change in Iran, then we'll quit thumping our chests and screaming in their faces- it only strengthens the hand of Iranian conservatives, brings out the patriotism in all Iranians...

Just as the American public rallied behind GWB, or Roosevelt, or Lincoln in times of trouble, so have Iranians rallied around their own leadership in the face of US and Israeli threats. Just the way it is. That won't change until we change our approach, and that's pretty much hopeless with the Bush Admin... The best we can reasonably hope for given our own leadership is that nobody starts shooting... or bombing... and that the status quo will remain until 2009...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

ProfJohn really cares about the rules inside Iran, yup, he does, sure he does.

Does ANYONE buy that? Even you ProfJohn? Because i sure as hell don't, i think you are just trying to tell us how bad Iran is, as if we didn't already know it's about 10000x better than Iraq right now.

There isn't much they can do that would top what the US has done in Iraq, is there?

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: jpeyton

how much longer till a revolution?

Never?

Smart man.

Thanks to Bush. Anyone with any national pride will choose their nation over dress code liberalism, when they're constantly insulted by a chimp.

 

[IGBT]

..won't happen. The mullah's have the guns and the bombs and will use em to cull the population into submission and will use islamic law to justify it.