Iran doing good again

[agent00f]

lol wut?

Now you want to redefine what conservatism is merely to attempt to smear me? What a dishonest pos you are. Go foist that crap on someone that doesn't know any better. What a moron you are.

It's simply a historical fact that conservative is by definition an ideal of conserving the past instead of progress favored by western liberalism. Just because conservative peers from whom you're informed don't know any history (or much else for that matter) isn't an indictment of anyone else.

Umm no. Conservatives believe in far, far more things than just smaller government. I've mentioned those beliefs already but you have completely ignored them. That demonstrates how dishonest you are by wiling to twist and ignore that facts of the matter. Thanks for the wonderful demonstration. I knew it, now others do as well. At least those that are honest and have some integrity will realize it. The lefty party sycophants will still side with you though.

So feel free to show yourselves siding with Jhhnn. Join the crowd. Are conservative solely defined by small government believers?

Maybe we can see a bit of honesty in here, but I don't have much faith in the like minded speaking out. If there really is any sort of dissention from the left in here, as some have stated, let's see it. If not, I'm right and you at all full of shit.

Bring it.

Remarkably fungible stupid blustering to any number of conservatives here.

 

[Jhhnn]

Umm no. Conservatives believe in far, far more things than just smaller government. I've mentioned those beliefs already but you have completely ignored them. That demonstrates how dishonest you are by wiling to twist and ignore that facts of the matter. Thanks for the wonderful demonstration. I knew it, now others do as well. At least those that are honest and have some integrity will realize it. The lefty party sycophants will still side with you though.

So feel free to show yourselves siding with Jhhnn. Join the crowd. Are conservative solely defined by small government believers?

Maybe we can see a bit of honesty in here, but I don't have much faith in the like minded speaking out. If there really is any sort of dissention from the left in here, as some have stated, let's see it. If not, I'm right and you at all full of shit.

Bring it.

All of the non-economic issues of modern conservatism are secondary to belief in smaller govt & trickle down economics. Other issues may vary, but that is universal among them.

The opposite is true of Liberals.

From a liberal perspective, big govt is the only defense that the common man has against the vagaries of multinational capitalism, aka oligarchy.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

All of the non-economic issues of modern conservatism are secondary to belief in smaller govt & trickle down economics. Other issues may vary, but that is universal among them.

The opposite is true of Liberals.

From a liberal perspective, big govt is the only defense that the common man has against the vagaries of multinational capitalism, aka oligarchy.

I support the LGBT community, I am pro-choice, I have absolutely no attachment to religion or god since I don't believe in some mythical man in the sky, and I agree with social programs that help disadvantaged people. I'm an American citizen and I'm talking about American conservatism, not the broad-brushed definition of conservatism that you are trying to foist upon this in some extremely lame attempt to win a debate that doesn't even exist. None of what I stated above are considered American conservative values. That's a simple fact.

Stop being such a douche, Jhhnn. You are really showing your ass by flailing so ridiculously.

 

[agent00f]

I support the LGBT community, I am pro-choice, I have absolutely no attachment to religion or god since I don't believe in some mythical man in the sky, and I agree with social programs that help disadvantaged people. I'm an American citizen and I'm talking about American conservatism, not the broad-brushed definition of conservatism that you are trying to foist upon this in some extremely lame attempt to win a debate that doesn't even exist. None of what I stated above are considered American conservative values. That's a simple fact.

Stop being such a douche, Jhhnn. You are really showing your ass by flailing so ridiculously.

That must be why all your posts are completely indistinguishable from your peers.

 

[agent00f]

All of the non-economic issues of modern conservatism are secondary to belief in smaller govt & trickle down economics.

Trump's overwhelmingly popular big gov infrastructure projects conclusively disproves this, even if you're as reluctant to believe his base are racist as they are.

 

[bshole]

The most offensive quote for the article:

US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who was traveling in Saudi Arabia with President Donald Trump, said the United States hopes Rouhani will end Iran's destabilization campaign in the region.

The entire rest of the world sees America as the greatest threat to peace and the rest of the world is right. No single country has done more to destabilize the Middle East than the United States. No other country even comes close.

 

[Jhhnn]

I support the LGBT community, I am pro-choice, I have absolutely no attachment to religion or god since I don't believe in some mythical man in the sky, and I agree with social programs that help disadvantaged people. I'm an American citizen and I'm talking about American conservatism, not the broad-brushed definition of conservatism that you are trying to foist upon this in some extremely lame attempt to win a debate that doesn't even exist. None of what I stated above are considered American conservative values. That's a simple fact.

Stop being such a douche, Jhhnn. You are really showing your ass by flailing so ridiculously.

Explain how effective social programs can be implemented w/o big govt.

 

[Jhhnn]

Trump's overwhelmingly popular big gov infrastructure projects conclusively disproves this, even if you're as reluctant to believe his base are racist as they are.

Trump's infrastructure projects? Giveaways to Wall St.-

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox..._proposal_let_wall_street_run_everything.html

Instead of taking the money as taxes the govt borrows it & the people pay rent forever.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Explain how effective social programs can be implemented w/o big govt.

Explain why social programs that help the disadvantaged must be big government programs.
It works both ways Jhhnn. However, this diversional trolling is boring and OT.

Back to the OP...The day Iran is truly a Democracy will be great. Today is not that day and it won't be true in the near future, or anytime soon, so let's stop jerking anyone's chain with that pretense. Once Iran divests themselves of Ayatollahs they might become a Democracy, if they can manage to minimize or marginalize religion from government. Those two just don't work well hand-in-hand.

 

[bshole]

Explain why social programs that help the disadvantaged must be big government programs.
It works both ways Jhhnn. However, this diversional trolling is boring and OT.

Back to the OP...The day Iran is truly a Democracy will be great. Today is not that day and it won't be true in the near future, or anytime soon, so let's stop jerking anyone's chain with that pretense. Once Iran divests themselves of Ayatollahs they might become a Democracy, if they can manage to minimize or marginalize religion from government. Those two just don't work well hand-in-hand.

I wish you cared as passionately about your own government. The American government is the least Democratic it has been in my lifetime. It is barely distinguishable from oligarchy. You are making Iran the other because that is what the power brokers want you to do. It is great distraction from the ass-raping that they are giving you.

 

[cytg111]

Explain why social programs that help the disadvantaged must be big government programs.
It works both ways Jhhnn. However, this diversional trolling is boring and OT.

Back to the OP...The day Iran is truly a Democracy will be great. Today is not that day and it won't be true in the near future, or anytime soon, so let's stop jerking anyone's chain with that pretense. Once Iran divests themselves of Ayatollahs they might become a Democracy, if they can manage to minimize or marginalize religion from government. Those two just don't work well hand-in-hand.

Baby steps, baby steps
First the nuclear deal, then trade
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...de-relations-post-jcpoa-mogherini-tehran.html
Step 3?
The western part of this equation should always be sticking an olive branch forward, no matter what has gone before.

 

[xthetenth]

Which of my beliefs would make me a conservative? My support for gay rights and marriage? My pro-choice stance? My complete lack of belief in a god or religion? Stem cell research? My only belief in regard to conservatism is small government.

But please, feel free to point out what a huge conservative I am.

I'll be waiting for your response, which I highly doubt will come.

When it comes down to it, which of those beliefs would you sacrifice the rest for? There's your answer.

Also, equally important, which team do you reflexively defend and look to excuse, and which team do you reflexively view as a hive mind that you oppose?

Explain why social programs that help the disadvantaged must be big government programs.

Provide literally any other mechanism for doing so that isn't riddled with flaws or "advantages" that reflect a drastically different agenda than actually doing good. This is going to be fun.

 

[Jhhnn]

Explain why social programs that help the disadvantaged must be big government programs.
It works both ways Jhhnn. However, this diversional trolling is boring and OT.

Back to the OP...The day Iran is truly a Democracy will be great. Today is not that day and it won't be true in the near future, or anytime soon, so let's stop jerking anyone's chain with that pretense. Once Iran divests themselves of Ayatollahs they might become a Democracy, if they can manage to minimize or marginalize religion from government. Those two just don't work well hand-in-hand.

It was you who got all triggered when I made a quip that Rouhani voters were probably smarter than Trump voters & launched into your usual I'm not a conservative tirade against liberals, leftists & the evils of big gubmint.

Only now that you're experiencing cognitive dissonance wrt your own bullshit do you want to return to the topic, which is fine by me.

The accord reached between Iran & the 5+1 is an enormous victory for Rouhani & the Iranian people. They broke America's long standing policy that isolated them & stifled trade & development with the threat of nuclear weapons development. Their eager compliance with the terms & the recent election are very encouraging signs.

Our own Congress & likely the Trump admin are acting just as spiteful & ignorant as ever, unfortunately, leaving the benefits of trade & cooperation to fall to the ROTW rather than to us. Cuz Wall! & shit.

 

[agent00f]

Trump's infrastructure projects? Giveaways to Wall St.-

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox..._proposal_let_wall_street_run_everything.html

Instead of taking the money as taxes the govt borrows it & the people pay rent forever.

Yes his big gov infrastructure projects like the wall plus trillion dollar infra spend that differentiated him from the all the other cookie cutter wall st giveaway gop candiddates. You might recall the base voting for him instead of them.

 

[agent00f]

Explain why social programs that help the disadvantaged must be big government programs.
It works both ways Jhhnn. However, this diversional trolling is boring and OT.

Back to the OP...The day Iran is truly a Democracy will be great. Today is not that day and it won't be true in the near future, or anytime soon, so let's stop jerking anyone's chain with that pretense. Once Iran divests themselves of Ayatollahs they might become a Democracy, if they can manage to minimize or marginalize religion from government. Those two just don't work well hand-in-hand.

Any scale program requires some proportionate sized governing organization to administer. For example, there's a sizable court system to administer business laws eg bankruptcies. Of course you're not exactly here to possibly learn anything, just bluster like an idiot as you're about to demonstrate.

 

[Roflmouth]

Trump's overwhelmingly popular big gov infrastructure projects conclusively disproves this, even if you're as reluctant to believe his base are racist as they are.

Which projects are those? Go ahead and list them right here ----------->

 

[agent00f]

Which projects are those? Go ahead and list them right here ----------->

Terrible job of pretending to be too dumb to google for his trillion dollar infrastructure promise, even by conservative standards.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I wish you cared as passionately about your own government. The American government is the least Democratic it has been in my lifetime. It is barely distinguishable from oligarchy. You are making Iran the other because that is what the power brokers want you to do. It is great distraction from the ass-raping that they are giving you.

First of all - What gave you the impression that I am passionate about Iran's government? That simply isn't true. I merely made an observation regarding their lack of true democracy, except for a few days every once in a while. That is a fact., nothing more.

Secondly - The US is just as democratic as it's always been, it just has the worst and biggest douchebag of a president in history. Nothing in our base democratic system has changed. So stow the hyperbole.

Last of all - Doesn't the left believe that "They are just as bad!" argument is a lame one? Because that's essentially the argument you're using.