Iran deal reached

[michal1980]

The road ahead, Republicans seek to oppose the "deal".
Obama's aim is peace, whatever the risk, whatever the cost.

If Republicans oppose Obama's plan for peace, what do they replace it with? There can be no middle ground, for that invites a nuclear Iran WITHOUT an effort at peaceful negotiations. A hostile Iran with a bomb is measurably worse than an appeased Iran with a bomb.

Short of full invasion and DESTRUCTION of Iran and its nuclear program, Obama's deal is the only option. Republicans need to avoid standing in the way if they're not ready to push for full scale war.

Republicans need to man up, help your President with the path he's on.

Really the only options are

1) bombing iran
2) Obama's deal

There isn't anything in between?

Obama would piss on you guys and you'd say its raining.


Pretty Obivious the current sanctions are having some effect. Why not crank them up to 11 and get a real deal.

 

[JEDIYoda]

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[JEDIYoda]

Islam has fanatics, America has fanatics

Your not serious are?? That's the best you can do?

There is a huge difference between various fanatics.....

 

[JEDIYoda]

The idea of a nuclear arms race is a ridiculous boogeyman. If we can dissuade Iran, we can obviously do the same with the rest other than our backstabbing little buddy, Israel.

as usual you have no clue....

 

[chucky2]

as usual you have no clue....

Not that the bot you're replying to has more than two bits to rub together, but, if you think Israel is some trustable nation in respect to the US you are quite insane. Israel as a nation is essentially a UN restrained Nazi Germany.

What this deal means is that Iran will get the bomb (just like the would have anyways), and our companies will get to sell them some shit and make money. Maybe if we're lucky we'll have got some kind of half hearted backroom deal promise to stay the F out of Iraqi affairs...but I seriously doubt that.

I personally can't wait for Iran to announce being a nuke power. Them and Israel duking it out will be great for US business, just hard on the fuel pricing.

 

[nickqt]

Not that the bot you're replying to has more than two bits to rub together, but, if you think Israel is some trustable nation in respect to the US you are quite insane. Israel as a nation is essentially a UN restrained Nazi Germany.

What this deal means is that Iran will get the bomb (just like the would have anyways), and our companies will get to sell them some shit and make money. Maybe if we're lucky we'll have got some kind of half hearted backroom deal promise to stay the F out of Iraqi affairs...but I seriously doubt that.

I personally can't wait for Iran to announce being a nuke power. Them and Israel duking it out will be great for US business, just hard on the fuel pricing.

Hey, look, it's the delusional conservative who accuses people of being bots because he disagrees with their political views.

Hey delusional conservative!

 

[chucky2]

Hey, look, it's the delusional conservative who accuses people of being bots because he disagrees with their political views.

Hey delusional conservative!

Hi Jhhnn! :thumbsup: You double profiling tonight or just sticking with one?

 

[Indus]

Really the only options are

1) bombing iran
2) Obama's deal

There isn't anything in between?

Obama would piss on you guys and you'd say its raining.


Pretty Obivious the current sanctions are having some effect. Why not crank them up to 11 and get a real deal.

Good luck with that. The sanctions worked because there was partnership.

As it stands.. Germany, France, China want cheap oil from Iran. Russia wants to sell missiles to Iran.

And India wants cheap oil too.. it may not seem like much but look at the population of India and then just think.. how much oil they're talking about.

Compared to these countries, US Santions on 10 or 11 or 200 mean nothing.

That's why the real options are:
1. status quo where they can make a bomb, nothing preventing them
2. the new kerry deal which guarantees a few years.
3. another war in which Americans deal with guerrila city warfare.

I personally would like to skip seeing on ABC's this week.. Here are the names of US military members who died this week in Iran.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not that the bot you're replying to has more than two bits to rub together, but, if you think Israel is some trustable nation in respect to the US you are quite insane. Israel as a nation is essentially a UN restrained Nazi Germany.

What this deal means is that Iran will get the bomb (just like the would have anyways), and our companies will get to sell them some shit and make money. Maybe if we're lucky we'll have got some kind of half hearted backroom deal promise to stay the F out of Iraqi affairs...but I seriously doubt that.

I personally can't wait for Iran to announce being a nuke power. Them and Israel duking it out will be great for US business, just hard on the fuel pricing.

First, devalue what you can't actually counter, then dive right back into fantasy land.

You, like Bibi, assume that Iran wants the bomb because that's what he'd want in their position. He is, of course, a paranoid delusionalist with ulterior motives, but, uhh, nevermind, right?

His followers & others similar operate on the assumption that Iran wants the Big One more than they want anything else, which obviously isn't true. If it were, they'd already have nukes, plain & simple. Apparently, they don't, but that really can't penetrate self sealing delusion, can it?

 

[Jhhnn]

Really the only options are

1) bombing iran
2) Obama's deal

There isn't anything in between?

Obama would piss on you guys and you'd say its raining.


Pretty Obivious the current sanctions are having some effect. Why not crank them up to 11 and get a real deal.

It's just as obvious that Iran building their hardened Fordow facility & stockpiling 20% enriched LEU had the desired effect for Iran, as well. They marched right up to the edge of breakout before we'd even begin to talk seriously.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Your not serious are?? That's the best you can do?

There is a huge difference between various fanatics.....

Are there difference?

 

[rudder]

Fantastic news. Could lead to reduced isolation. Long road from here, but this was the hardest step. Best part is that it keeps us out of war.

Having a military presence in multiple middle eastern countries costs a lot of money. Iran welcomes the relief from sanctions because this will give Iran the money it needs to continue exerting it's influence. Apparently only liberals see this as a good thing.

 

[trenchfoot]

After running into a deluge of dire and foreboding rhetoric from the Repubs in all manner of media over the Iran Deal, I have come to the conclusion that a new and more severe transmutation of the CBD has reached pandemic levels of dispersion among them.

From the application of empirical study and studiously observing this phenomenon I have concluded that this mutated form of CBD has the very nasty and chronic effect of causing the musculature and related nerve bundles surrounding the jointed area between the femur and tibia to instantaneously trigger an episodic flexing of the opposing muscles in that region resulting in the sufferer uncontrollably and painfully striking their gluteal muscles with the calcaneus of the same side of the body proper.

In addition, after an episode has momentarily subsided, a further reaction compels the subject to contort the physiology of their lower extremities so as to enable a forceful intrusion of oral cavity with the phalanges of the opposite side of the body well past the metatarsals.

Frightening to watch at first, but actually entertaining once the initial shock of the act wears off.

 

[nickqt]

Hi Jhhnn! :thumbsup: You double profiling tonight or just sticking with one?

We, er, I mean I'm just double profili, er, this is confusing!

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

 

[Jaskalas]

Pretty Obivious the current sanctions are having some effect. Why not crank them up to 11 and get a real deal.

Iran Made Illegal Purchases of Nuclear Weapons Technology Last Month

Because, Russia and China. They will open Iran up and violate the sanctions rendering them useless in just a few years. There are plenty of reports of sanctions violations.

The status quo is not an option.

 

[ivwshane]

Are there difference?

Yeah. Some wear all black and pose with guns and others wear camo and pose with guns, the other type wears a suit and sells guns to the other two fanatics

 

[Jhhnn]

Iran Made Illegal Purchases of Nuclear Weapons Technology Last Month

Because, Russia and China. They will open Iran up and violate the sanctions rendering them useless in just a few years. There are plenty of reports of sanctions violations.

The status quo is not an option.

Yeh, go for the spin from the Neocon mothership, the Weekly Standard.

Pretend that there's not a lot of other things they can do with that stuff- you know, like OMFG! aluminum tubes. They're still building reactors, now as part of the agreement, so "industry computers" would be highly appropriate, don't you think? High speed cameras have a variety of uses, as does the rest of it.

But, be afraid, right? Be very, very afraid. Of something, anything that'll keep you off balance & less discerning as to the rest of the right wing bullshit that inundates us.

 

[woolfe9998]

Really the only options are

1) bombing iran
2) Obama's deal

There isn't anything in between?

Obama would piss on you guys and you'd say its raining.


Pretty Obivious the current sanctions are having some effect. Why not crank them up to 11 and get a real deal.

Because the sanctions are hurting other nations like China and India who, unlike the US, did use to buy oil from Iran, and their resolve is weakening. If Iran doesn't cave to pressure from the sanctions long enough to develop nukes, at that point all sanctions go away because they become moot. Some countries may drop out even before that. Remember, sanctions from the US are not an issue for Iran because we didn't buy their oil or much of anything from them.

While there are risks to this deal, the risks of maintaining the status quo, which is maintaining the sanctions, are much higher. We're counting on a regime who is already going to lose some face with this deal to make even greater concessions when they know all they have to do is make a b-line to get nukes, at which point the sanctions will go away. If the hardliners in Iran, the people who hate the US the most and are most in favor of sponsoring terrorism, oppose this deal, that should be telling us something.

This deal is the least bad alternative, and it's a no brainer. If Iran gives up 70% of its centrifuges, it's physically impossible for this not to at least slow them down.

I don't honestly understand the opposition to this unless it is purely political. I would support this deal regardless of which party is in power.

 

[chucky2]

Oh boy, now they're pimping Kerry haha. Setting up for 2016, so obvious...

 

[chucky2]

We, er, I mean I'm just double profili, er, this is confusing!

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

Geez you're as confused as I thought you are, yikes!

 

[woolfe9998]

Iran Made Illegal Purchases of Nuclear Weapons Technology Last Month

Because, Russia and China. They will open Iran up and violate the sanctions rendering them useless in just a few years. There are plenty of reports of sanctions violations.

The status quo is not an option.

Spot on. It's one of several reasons why this deal is better than the alternatives, which are either bombing them or the status quo.

 

[nickqt]

Geez you're as confused as I thought you are, yikes!

Says the guy who has delusions I can describe with song lyrics from the Beatles "I am the Walrus".

Yikes indeed!

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I fully support making a deal, lifting sanctions, and eventually allowing Iran to prove themselves liars to the entire world. Once that happens nobody will trust Iran, except Jhhnn, and maybe nickqt. They will continue to make apologies forever, regardless of what Iran does.

 

[MongGrel]

Because the sanctions are hurting other nations like China and India who, unlike the US, did use to buy oil from Iran, and their resolve is weakening. If Iran doesn't cave to pressure from the sanctions long enough to develop nukes, at that point all sanctions go away because they become moot. Some countries may drop out even before that. Remember, sanctions from the US are not an issue for Iran because we didn't buy their oil or much of anything from them.

While there are risks to this deal, the risks of maintaining the status quo, which is maintaining the sanctions, are much higher. We're counting on a regime who is already going to lose some face with this deal to make even greater concessions when they know all they have to do is make a b-line to get nukes, at which point the sanctions will go away. If the hardliners in Iran, the people who hate the US the most and are most in favor of sponsoring terrorism, oppose this deal, that should be telling us something.

This deal is the least bad alternative, and it's a no brainer. If Iran gives up 70% of its centrifuges, it's physically impossible for this not to at least slow them down.

I don't honestly understand the opposition to this unless it is purely political. I would support this deal regardless of which party is in power.

China isn't hurting in any way, US corporations have been moving manufacturing there for over a decade now.

Of course they are getting into bed with with everyone else now, I doubt any of the Chinese government are too worried about it.

The Russians are alligning a bit more of them in the area also.

What could go wrong.

 

[MongGrel]

Really the only options are

1) bombing iran
2) Obama's deal

There isn't anything in between?

Obama would piss on you guys and you'd say its raining.


Pretty Obivious the current sanctions are having some effect. Why not crank them up to 11 and get a real deal.

Any real deal at this point isn't too bad.

You're just an active well know Obama hater to begin with.

He could shit gold and turn blue and be Dr. Manhattan incarnate and you would still hate him.