Iran convicts U.S Journalist of spying

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fallout man

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Originally posted by: Pocatello
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Hopefully our government will do whatever it takes to free this journalist from that hellhole but unfortunately I doubt we will end up doing anything.

Unfortunately we dont have much control over other sovereign nation's enforcement of laws. Just like other countries dont have much control over ours.

Very true. For all you know, they can put you in jail for eating garlic or sitting on magazine with a picture of their leader on the front page.

Come on guys... Has everyone here gone crazy? With her last name, I bet that she's a muslim. You know that they're always up to no good. She wouldn't have been arrested if she hadn't done anything wrong and would be released anyway.

"Saberi" sounds really extremist to me? Who's with me here?!
 
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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Pocatello
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Pocatello
I'm pretty sure the Iranian government will pardon her or shorten her sentence. Hopefully she will learn a good lesson and never go to Iran again.

I think visiting Iran is a great idea for most people who are not in any 'sensitive' role.

Check out the following DVD from European travel expert Rick Steves visiting Iran, which he made to show the positives about Iranians that are rarely seen.

It's a steal for $5 if you show it to any group, not sure how long the price is on.

Link

The sensitive mullahs will certainly keep Iran from being seen.

What are you talking about? The DVD shows you can see Iran in a visit.
Try to visit Iran and tell them you want to go there to document their gay people and lifestyles. See if they let you in.
 

Pocatello

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Pocatello
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Pocatello
I'm pretty sure the Iranian government will pardon her or shorten her sentence. Hopefully she will learn a good lesson and never go to Iran again.

I think visiting Iran is a great idea for most people who are not in any 'sensitive' role.

Check out the following DVD from European travel expert Rick Steves visiting Iran, which he made to show the positives about Iranians that are rarely seen.

It's a steal for $5 if you show it to any group, not sure how long the price is on.

Link

The sensitive mullahs will certainly keep Iran from being seen.

What are you talking about? The DVD shows you can see Iran in a visit.
Try to visit Iran and tell them you want to go there to document their gay people and lifestyles. See if they let you in.

There are no gay people in Iran.
 
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Originally posted by: Pocatello
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Pocatello
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Pocatello
I'm pretty sure the Iranian government will pardon her or shorten her sentence. Hopefully she will learn a good lesson and never go to Iran again.

I think visiting Iran is a great idea for most people who are not in any 'sensitive' role.

Check out the following DVD from European travel expert Rick Steves visiting Iran, which he made to show the positives about Iranians that are rarely seen.

It's a steal for $5 if you show it to any group, not sure how long the price is on.

Link

The sensitive mullahs will certainly keep Iran from being seen.

What are you talking about? The DVD shows you can see Iran in a visit.
Try to visit Iran and tell them you want to go there to document their gay people and lifestyles. See if they let you in.

There are no gay people in Iran.
Not if the mullahs find out.
 

fallout man

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Try to visit Iran and tell them you want to go there to document their gay people and lifestyles. See if they let you in.

Do you really think that Iran hates the queer more than they hate the Jew? The second largest Jewish population in the middle-east seems to think that they're not on the verge of being thrown into the sea.:


Iran remains home to Jewish enclave.

By Barbara Demick

TEHRAN - The Jewish women in the back rows of the synagogue wear long garments in the traditional Iranian style, but instead of chadors, their heads are covered with cheerful, flowered scarves. The boys in their skullcaps, with Hebrew prayer books tucked under their arms, scamper down the aisles to grab the best spots near the lush, turquoise Persian carpet of the altar. This is Friday night, Shabbat - Iranian style, and the synagogue in an affluent neighborhood of North Tehran is filled to capacity with more than 400 worshipers.

It is one of the many paradoxes of the Islamic Republic of Iran that this most virulent anti-Israeli country supports by far the largest Jewish population of any Muslim country.

While Jewish communities in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Morocco and Algeria have all but vanished, Iran is home to 25,000 - some here say 35,000 - Jews. The Jewish population is less than half the number that lived here before the Islamic revolution of 1979. But the Jews have tried to compensate for their diminishing numbers by adopting a new religious fervor.

''The funny thing is that before the Islamic revolution, you would see maybe 20 old men in the synagogue,'' whispers Nahit Eliyason, 48, as she climbs over four other women to find one of the few vacant seats. ''Now the place is full. You can barely find a seat.'' Parvis Yashaya, a film producer who heads Tehran's Jewish community, adds: ''We are smaller, but we are stronger in some ways.''

Tehran has 11 functioning synagogues, many of them with Hebrew schools. It has two kosher restaurants, and a Jewish hospital, an old-age home and a cemetery. There is a Jewish representative in the Iranian parliament. There is a Jewish library with 20,000 titles, its reading room decorated with a photograph of the Ayatollah Khomeini.

Khomeini protection

Iran's Jewish community is confronted by contradictions. Many of the prayers uttered in synagogue, for instance, refer to the desire to see Jerusalem again. Yet there is no postal service or telephone contact with Israel, and any Iranian who dares travel to Israel faces imprisonment and passport confiscation. ''We are Jews, not Zionists. We are a religious community, not a political one,'' Yashaya said.

Before the revolution, Jews were well-represented among Iran's business elite, holding key posts in the oil industry, banking and law, as well as in the traditional bazaar. The wave of anti-Israeli sentiment that swept Iran during the revolution, as well as large-scale confiscations of private wealth, sent thousands of the more affluent Jews fleeing to the United States or Israel. Those remaining lived in fear of pogroms, or massacres.

But Khomeini met with the Jewish community upon his return from exile in Paris and issued a ''fatwa'' decreeing that the Jews were to be protected. Similar edicts also protect Iran's tiny Christian minority.


Just as it radically transformed Muslim society, the revolution changed the Jews. Families that had been secular in the 1970s started keeping kosher and strictly observing rules against driving on Shabbat. They stopped going to restaurants, cafes and cinemas - many such establishments were closed down - and the synagogue perforce became the focal point of their social lives.

If not, then perhaps we can just let it go and come to the consensus that Iranians don't want to drink jew baby blood. k?
 

Pepsei

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the government didn't do anything when Lori Berenson was sentence to LIFE (later converted to 20 years) in peru for supposely being a terrorist... and this is Iran....
 
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Originally posted by: fallout man
If not, then perhaps we can just let it go and come to the consensus that Iranians don't want to drink jew baby blood. k?
Is being a Jew in Iran punishable by death, by law? Being gay is.
 

her209

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Originally posted by: palehorse
2. I didn't realize that we were holding anyone in Gitmo who was picked up for "espionage" on U.S. soil...?
What are people at Gitmo charged with?
 

fallout man

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: fallout man
If not, then perhaps we can just let it go and come to the consensus that Iranians don't want to drink jew baby blood. k?
Is being a Jew in Iran punishable by death, by law? Being gay is.

Oh, delicious moral relativism--how I love thee.

I expect your support in the latest pro-gay-marriage thread. I'm glad to hear that you're on board, guy!

Also, I was under the impression that the evil Iranian regime was really all about nuking Israel because it's full of Jews...

Do you think they should focus on the homogays instead? They may have to nuke Dubai first.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Pocatello
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Pocatello
I'm pretty sure the Iranian government will pardon her or shorten her sentence. Hopefully she will learn a good lesson and never go to Iran again.

I think visiting Iran is a great idea for most people who are not in any 'sensitive' role.

Check out the following DVD from European travel expert Rick Steves visiting Iran, which he made to show the positives about Iranians that are rarely seen.

It's a steal for $5 if you show it to any group, not sure how long the price is on.

Link

The sensitive mullahs will certainly keep Iran from being seen.

What are you talking about? The DVD shows you can see Iran in a visit.
Try to visit Iran and tell them you want to go there to document their gay people and lifestyles. See if they let you in.


So, you admit that you can visit Iran, and are changing the subject to a new topic. OK - yes, Iran is horrific for gay people, executing them, as I've posted before.
 
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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Pocatello
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Pocatello
I'm pretty sure the Iranian government will pardon her or shorten her sentence. Hopefully she will learn a good lesson and never go to Iran again.

I think visiting Iran is a great idea for most people who are not in any 'sensitive' role.

Check out the following DVD from European travel expert Rick Steves visiting Iran, which he made to show the positives about Iranians that are rarely seen.

It's a steal for $5 if you show it to any group, not sure how long the price is on.

Link

The sensitive mullahs will certainly keep Iran from being seen.

What are you talking about? The DVD shows you can see Iran in a visit.
Try to visit Iran and tell them you want to go there to document their gay people and lifestyles. See if they let you in.


So, you admit that you can visit Iran, and are changing the subject to a new topic. OK - yes, Iran is horrific for gay people, executing them, as I've posted before.
I am saying that you can visit Iran just a long as you don't try to divulge that which the mullahs doesn't want seen publicly. Is there a problem with foreigners visitng the US and documenting the gay lifestyles here? No. Is there a problem trying to visit Iran to document theirs? Damn skippy.

C'mon, you guys constantly love comparing what the US does compared to others. It's a regular theme for you and yours. Is doing that someow only valid when one can disparage the US in the process? If so, seems a rather one-sided pov.
 

Aimster

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There is no law in Iran that says you cannot document gay lifestyle.
Good luck finding gay people. Nobody is going to tell you if you are gay and if you mention it they'll punch you.

The M.E - Western Asia .. being gay is not acceptable. It's almost like saying the F word.
 
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Originally posted by: Aimster
There is no law in Iran that says you cannot document gay lifestyle.
Good luck finding gay people. Nobody is going to tell you if you are gay and if you mention it they'll punch you.

The M.E - Western Asia .. being gay is not acceptable. It's almost like saying the F word.
Yes, we know about the dark ages mentality concerning homosexuality in Iran, and no, there's no such law against filming. There is a law against homosexual behavior in Iran where, if you get caught you'll likely face the death penalty; often by being hung by the neck until dead. But that's neither here nor there.

What I am saying is that if you applied for a Visa to travel to Iran and give the reason for going as filming a documentary about gays in Iran, you would be denied. I have no doubt of that whatsoever. Feel free to prove me wrong.
 

Sacrilege

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Originally posted by: piasabird
Kick all Iranians out of the USA and tell them to go to hell!

You mean the Iranians who fled the revolution and came to America because they like freedom, secularism, and dislike Islamic radicals? Now you want to throw them out, for what purpose?

Do you even think before posting?
 

Woofmeister

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Originally posted by: piasabird
Kick all Iranians out of the USA and tell them to go to hell!

Does that include all the Iranian Baha'is, Zoroastrians and Jews who came here for religious freedom?
 
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Originally posted by: piasabird
Kick all Iranians out of the USA and tell them to go to hell!
I'm not sure what that would solve. I'd bet they are more upset about this conviction than any of us good ol' boys in here.

Iranian ex-pats in the US don't deserve to suffer for the stupidity of a government that they fled.
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Woofmeister
An American citizen and a journalist has been falsely convicted of espionage by Iran's kangaroo Revolutionary Court.

How do you know she was "falsely convicted?"
Hard to say because Iran put this trial behind closed doors. It's very suspicious though. If they had actual evidence against her then why the secret trial?

Hypothetically speaking, perhaps they didn't want the US gov't to know how they knew she was a spy.

Most likely she was seen as an easy bargaining chip. Arrest her, convict her, see what you can get for her release.
 

fallout man

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Pocatello
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Pocatello
I'm pretty sure the Iranian government will pardon her or shorten her sentence. Hopefully she will learn a good lesson and never go to Iran again.

I think visiting Iran is a great idea for most people who are not in any 'sensitive' role.

Check out the following DVD from European travel expert Rick Steves visiting Iran, which he made to show the positives about Iranians that are rarely seen.

It's a steal for $5 if you show it to any group, not sure how long the price is on.

Link

The sensitive mullahs will certainly keep Iran from being seen.

What are you talking about? The DVD shows you can see Iran in a visit.
Try to visit Iran and tell them you want to go there to document their gay people and lifestyles. See if they let you in.


So, you admit that you can visit Iran, and are changing the subject to a new topic. OK - yes, Iran is horrific for gay people, executing them, as I've posted before.

Iran provides free (state-sponsored) gender-reassignment surgery and support to those who are caught being homogay and willing to get the surgery. I think it's an absurd compromise, but it certainly runs counter to the claim that every guy caught in another guy's butt gets strung up the next day. I guess they're more willing to stomach a queer man who looks like a woman... These folks go on to get legally married in Iran as well.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: fallout man
Iran provides free (state-sponsored) gender-reassignment surgery and support to those who are caught being homogay and willing to get the surgery. I think it's an absurd compromise, but it certainly runs counter to the claim that every guy caught in another guy's butt gets strung up the next day. I guess they're more willing to stomach a queer man who looks like a woman... These folks go on to get legally married in Iran as well.

absurd is right, compromise it is not. "We'll imprison you, kill you or chop your dick off, your choice." That' not a compromise.
 

NaughtyGeek

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Maybe. Be we have a habit of trying to lock up terrorists that want to kill us. Iran has a habit of trying to lock up journalists and bloggers that criticize or might criticize their government. Maybe it's just me, but I notice a minor difference in intent in those two cases.

You have no idea under what circumstances the folks locked away in Gitmo were detained nor why. Don't try to stand a moral high ground and defend our program against theirs when ours doesn't allow you to know the details.

Being an American in a country with which our diplomatic relations are hostile at best carries with it a great amount of risk and unfortunately this woman has paid that price. May whatever omnipotent being she believes in look upon her favorably and help her find comfort in her current predicament. May those of you who have turned a blind eye to the American secret prisons and courts learn from this though I know most of you are so blinded by your fear of the boogeyman that no point can ever be made by this.