Iran convicts U.S Journalist of spying

[Aimster]

What would she be spying on?

Iran is not exactly North Korea. What goes on in the public is not private information.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
Sound's like Guantanamo Style Justice! Iran has learned from the best.

Everyone who denounces this sentence, also denounces America's War on Terror; the legal proceedings are the same.

So what did she blow up in Iran? What battlefield was she captured on? Was she caught planting IEDs?

Yeah, it's just the same as Gitmo.

:roll:

An eye for an eye dude. Karma is a fucking bitch...

Play with matches and you eventually get burnt.

Yeah, and where was the trial for the people in gitmo? Oh yeah, I forgot we threw that shit out the window they were just fucking guilty. Seriously......

Personally? Who gives a shit what they do. Monkey see monkey do, It's not OUR right to demand that other countries follow our rules. Even if we did demand that they do, we just bend our own rules and tell em ... Do as We Say, Not as We Do. Bullshit, we can't even keep our own lies straight.

Yeah, I am angry here like everyone else, she's pretty good looking and probably doesn't deserve it since Iran is just setting an example for someone that probably didn't do anything ... "probably" being the key word... All I know maybe she was some sort of spy.

Oh well... A shame but... she took the risk and we all take risks in life. Sad now she has to pay for bushes mistakes...

Just like KSM took risks and had to pay for it, along with all the others in Gitmo. Now they have to pay for OBL's mistake. Sucks to be them, eh? Karma's a bitch, eye for an eye, and all that cliched rubbish.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Where are the Navy Seal`s when you need them???lol...
Opps I forgot Iran is NOT under water....

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Aimster
What would she be spying on?

Iran is not exactly North Korea. What goes on in the public is not private information.

Nuclear facilities.

 

[MrMatt]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Where are the Navy Seal`s when you need them???lol...
Opps I forgot Iran is NOT under water....

Well I'm hoping we do something to get that girl out of there, assuming she's not a spy. if she is a spy she's lucky she wasn't executed. I'm thinking if she REALLY was a spy they would've done something harsher than 8 years. So she probably ISN'T a spy, and we can get her out of there, instead of some limp-wristed f****try from the white house 'oooh we're disappointed'

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: MrMatt

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Where are the Navy Seal`s when you need them???lol...
Opps I forgot Iran is NOT under water....

Well I'm hoping we do something to get that girl out of there, assuming she's not a spy. if she is a spy she's lucky she wasn't executed. I'm thinking if she REALLY was a spy they would've done something harsher than 8 years. So she probably ISN'T a spy, and we can get her out of there, instead of some limp-wristed f****try from the white house 'oooh we're disappointed'

You guys watch too many movies.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Just like KSM took risks and had to pay for it, along with all the others in Gitmo. Now they have to pay for OBL's mistake. Sucks to be them, eh? Karma's a bitch, eye for an eye, and all that cliched rubbish.

So, for our killing 2 million Vietnamese - 3,000 down in 9/11, and 2,997,000 to go.

You favor that, right?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Aimster
What would she be spying on?

Iran is not exactly North Korea. What goes on in the public is not private information.

There's a huge amountr of spying that gets done at times. For example, sometimes when we've supported a dictator coming to power, we've handed him lists of hundreds or thousands of 'dissidents' - a list from which he can take action, and those people tend to disappear.

For example, we did that in Chile with Pinochet; I don't recall if we assisted Saddam similarly.

(OK, I just did a little checking. Yes, we did - when the CIA got involved in the assassitation of Iraq's pre-Ba'ath leader in 1963, and the Ba'ath came to power, the CIA supplied them with a list of names of 'communists, leftists, dissidents', and soon thousands were killed and tortured and imprisoned, 'decimating the professional class in Iraq'.)

In the quotations collected below, the name of the leader who was assassinated is spelled variously as Qasim, Qassim and Kassem. But, however you spell his name, when he took power in a popularly-backed coup in 1958, he certainly got recognized in Washington. He carried out such anti-American and anti-corporatist policies as starting the process of nationalizing foreign oil companies in Iraq, withdrawing Iraq from the US-initiated right-wing Baghdad Pact (which included another military-run, US-puppet state, i.e., Pakistan) and decriminalizing the Iraqi Communist Party. Despite these actions, and more likely because of them, he was Iraq's most popular leader. He had to go!

In 1959, there was a failed assassination attempt on Qasim. The failed assassin was none other than a young Saddam Hussein. In 1963, a CIA-organized coup did successfully assassinate Qasim and Saddam's Ba'ath Party came to power for the first time. Saddam returned from exile in Egypt and took up the key post as head of Iraq's secret service. The CIA then provided the new pliant, Iraqi regime with the names of thousands of communists, and other leftist activists and organizers. Thousands of these supporters of Qasim and his policies were soon dead in a rampage of mass murder carried out by the CIA's close friends in Iraq.

Tracking people who are loyal to the ruling regime, tracking dissidents, searching for potential spies and agents - that's all useful 'spying'.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Just like KSM took risks and had to pay for it, along with all the others in Gitmo. Now they have to pay for OBL's mistake. Sucks to be them, eh? Karma's a bitch, eye for an eye, and all that cliched rubbish.

So, for our killing 2 million Vietnamese - 3,000 down in 9/11, and 2,997,000 to go.

You favor that, right?

You never stop with the strawmen, do you?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Just like KSM took risks and had to pay for it, along with all the others in Gitmo. Now they have to pay for OBL's mistake. Sucks to be them, eh? Karma's a bitch, eye for an eye, and all that cliched rubbish.

So, for our killing 2 million Vietnamese - 3,000 down in 9/11, and 2,997,000 to go.

You favor that, right?

You never stop with the strawmen, do you?

You don't know what a straw man is. You use the phrase because it's some words that seem to be an attack - which is just what you need.

As usual, I'll review the history of your illogic:

TLC said that people the US torture are 'paying for Osama bin Lade', under the justification of 'an eye for an eye', because 'Karma is a bitch'.

I then apply his - to abuse the innocent word - logic to the fact that the US has its own history that would be subject to 'Karma' and 'an eye for an eye', then.

TLC dodges the issue as always and throws out the miguided phrase 'straw man'.

TLC to English dictionary:

Straw man: attack to make against any argument proving TLC wrong.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Just like KSM took risks and had to pay for it, along with all the others in Gitmo. Now they have to pay for OBL's mistake. Sucks to be them, eh? Karma's a bitch, eye for an eye, and all that cliched rubbish.

So, for our killing 2 million Vietnamese - 3,000 down in 9/11, and 2,997,000 to go.

You favor that, right?

You never stop with the strawmen, do you?

You don't know what a straw man is. You use the phrase because it's some words that seem to be an attack - which is just what you need.

As usual, I'll review the history of your illogic:

TLC said that people the US torture are 'paying for Osama bin Lade', under the justification of 'an eye for an eye', because 'Karma is a bitch'.

I then apply his - to abuse the innocent word - logic to the fact that the US has its own history that would be subject to 'Karma' and 'an eye for an eye', then.

TLC dodges the issue as always and throws out the miguided phrase 'straw man'.

TLC to English dictionary:

Straw man: attack to make against any argument proving TLC wrong.

Let me spell it out for clearly because, as usual, Craig issues forth copious amounts of smoke and mirrors in an attempts to hold onto his weakass argument.

ericlp - Woman on trial in and imprisoned in Iran. Karma.

me- Detainees on trial in and imprisoned in Gitmo. Karma.

craig - Vietnam. huh? wtf?

Strawman, or straw man:

The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern:

1. Person A has position X.

2. Person B ignores X and instead presents position Y.
Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including:

Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position and then refuting it, thus giving the appearance that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.[1]
Quoting an opponent's words out of context ? i.e. choosing quotations which are intentionally misrepresentative of the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy and quote mining).[2]
Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments - thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1]
Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.

Apparently it's you that needs to learn what a strawman is.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
Sound's like Guantanamo Style Justice! Iran has learned from the best.

Everyone who denounces this sentence, also denounces America's War on Terror; the legal proceedings are the same.

1. Can we also take that to mean that you denounce both Guantanamo and Iran's trial of Saberi?

2. I didn't realize that we were holding anyone in Gitmo who was picked up for "espionage" on U.S. soil...?

3. The term "espionage" has a very specific definition in geopolitics and international law.

 

[frostedflakes]

Saw this in the BBC article on the sentence. Was the first thing that came to my mind when I heard this news.

It raises deep suspicions over whether the case has been hijacked by hardliners within the Iranian government, eager to sabotage any reconciliation, the BBC's Jon Leyne reports from Tehran.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8006561.stm

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Saw this in the BBC article on the sentence. Was the first thing that came to my mind when I heard this news.

It raises deep suspicions over whether the case has been hijacked by hardliners within the Iranian government, eager to sabotage any reconciliation, the BBC's Jon Leyne reports from Tehran.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8006561.stm

Interesting that she was writing a book too. I did some searching and all I could find was that her book was about Iran, but nothing more specific. I wonder if the subject/content of her book had anything to do with this?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
Sound's like Guantanamo Style Justice! Iran has learned from the best.

Everyone who denounces this sentence, also denounces America's War on Terror; the legal proceedings are the same.

So what did she blow up in Iran? What battlefield was she captured on? Was she caught planting IEDs?

Yeah, it's just the same as Gitmo.

:roll:

An eye for an eye dude. Karma is a fucking bitch...

Play with matches and you eventually get burnt.

Yeah, and where was the trial for the people in gitmo? Oh yeah, I forgot we threw that shit out the window they were just fucking guilty. Seriously......

Personally? Who gives a shit what they do. Monkey see monkey do, It's not OUR right to demand that other countries follow our rules. Even if we did demand that they do, we just bend our own rules and tell em ... Do as We Say, Not as We Do. Bullshit, we can't even keep our own lies straight.

Yeah, I am angry here like everyone else, she's pretty good looking and probably doesn't deserve it since Iran is just setting an example for someone that probably didn't do anything ... "probably" being the key word... All I know maybe she was some sort of spy.

Oh well... A shame but... she took the risk and we all take risks in life. Sad now she has to pay for bushes mistakes...

Just like KSM took risks and had to pay for it, along with all the others in Gitmo. Now they have to pay for OBL's mistake. Sucks to be them, eh? Karma's a bitch, eye for an eye, and all that cliched rubbish.

Are you sure that "all the others" held that were held in Gitmo were caught fighting us?

Doesn't excuse Iran, but we locked up people who didn't attack us as well as those who did. To turn this around somewhat, does Iran's actions excuse ours?

Seems that this being presented as an "either or". I find both disgusting.

 

[Extelleron]

Hopefully our government will do whatever it takes to free this journalist from that hellhole but unfortunately I doubt we will end up doing anything.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Are you sure that "all the others" held that were held in Gitmo were caught fighting us?

Doesn't excuse Iran, but we locked up people who didn't attack us as well as those who did. To turn this around somewhat, does Iran's actions excuse ours?

Seems that this being presented as an "either or". I find both disgusting.

Maybe. Be we have a habit of trying to lock up terrorists that want to kill us. Iran has a habit of trying to lock up journalists and bloggers that criticize or might criticize their government. Maybe it's just me, but I notice a minor difference in intent in those two cases.

Could you imagine if GWB had been locking up journalists that were critical of his government? The din would have been deafening. So where is the outcry from the left when Iran does it? Are they so enthralled by Iran's anti-US stance that they'll turn a blind eye to that sort of thing, or try to excuse it by drawing vastly uneven parallels?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Saw this in the BBC article on the sentence. Was the first thing that came to my mind when I heard this news.

It raises deep suspicions over whether the case has been hijacked by hardliners within the Iranian government, eager to sabotage any reconciliation, the BBC's Jon Leyne reports from Tehran.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8006561.stm

That theory makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[Pocatello]

I'm pretty sure the Iranian government will pardon her or shorten her sentence. Hopefully she will learn a good lesson and never go to Iran again.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
I'm pretty sure the Iranian government will pardon her or shorten her sentence. Hopefully she will learn a good lesson and never go to Iran again.

I think visiting Iran is a great idea for most people who are not in any 'sensitive' role.

Check out the following DVD from European travel expert Rick Steves visiting Iran, which he made to show the positives about Iranians that are rarely seen.

It's a steal for $5 if you show it to any group, not sure how long the price is on.

Link

 

[Pocatello]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Pocatello
I'm pretty sure the Iranian government will pardon her or shorten her sentence. Hopefully she will learn a good lesson and never go to Iran again.

I think visiting Iran is a great idea for most people who are not in any 'sensitive' role.

Check out the following DVD from European travel expert Rick Steves visiting Iran, which he made to show the positives about Iranians that are rarely seen.

It's a steal for $5 if you show it to any group, not sure how long the price is on.

Link

The sensitive mullahs will certainly keep Iran from being seen.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Hopefully our government will do whatever it takes to free this journalist from that hellhole but unfortunately I doubt we will end up doing anything.

Unfortunately we dont have much control over other sovereign nation's enforcement of laws. Just like other countries dont have much control over ours.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Pocatello

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Pocatello
I'm pretty sure the Iranian government will pardon her or shorten her sentence. Hopefully she will learn a good lesson and never go to Iran again.

I think visiting Iran is a great idea for most people who are not in any 'sensitive' role.

Check out the following DVD from European travel expert Rick Steves visiting Iran, which he made to show the positives about Iranians that are rarely seen.

It's a steal for $5 if you show it to any group, not sure how long the price is on.

Link

The sensitive mullahs will certainly keep Iran from being seen.

What are you talking about? The DVD shows you can see Iran in a visit.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Hopefully our government will do whatever it takes to free this journalist from that hellhole but unfortunately I doubt we will end up doing anything.

Unfortunately we dont have much control over other sovereign nation's enforcement of laws. Just like other countries dont have much control over ours.

:music: boom-tsk :music:

 

[Pocatello]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Hopefully our government will do whatever it takes to free this journalist from that hellhole but unfortunately I doubt we will end up doing anything.

Unfortunately we dont have much control over other sovereign nation's enforcement of laws. Just like other countries dont have much control over ours.

Very true. For all you know, they can put you in jail for eating garlic or sitting on magazine with a picture of their leader on the front page.