Iran breaks IAEA seals to start UF6 plant

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
From K1052-

"The North Koreans very effectively pulled the wool over the Clinton admin's eyes and they are now a nuclear power as a result."

There is, in truth, absolutely no real evidence whatsoever to support that contention, other than anonymous innuendo. Various intelligence sources claim that they think the DPRK might have had a few nukes prior to Kelley's grandstanding accusations, which merely improved the likelihood of that happening.

Put yourself in the other guys' shoes, think about how any nuclear capable nation would react to the Admin's extremely aggressive posturing against them, particularly in the wake of the Iraqi invasion... It's a no-brainer, unfortunately. The only thing the Bush Admin respects is power. If you don't have it, better get it, or they'll be coming after you next...

NK has openly stated that they have a nuke weapon program. It takes 5-10 years to built a nuke just for power, let alone one that then has to be enhanced for weapons programs.

That is not something that gets developed in a couple of years.
Their nuke program was started long before the current admin came on the scene.

True. Both the US and N. Korea were playing a game of who won't deliver, and it was understandable given the context of the situation. Bush had nothing to do with the current situation, but he has it now. So far no one is shooting, and that's good.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Forsythe
I don't see any problems in them having nukes.
I mean, you have nukes, what's the problem?

Iran voluntarily signed the NPT for starters.

That's a UN agreement. UN agreements like the UN itself are worthless and null and void. Besides China and Russia would veto any resolution aiming to target Iran.

 

[Jhhnn]

from Eaglekeeper-

"NK has openly stated that they have a nuke weapon program. It takes 5-10 years to built a nuke just for power, let alone one that then has to be enhanced for weapons programs.

That is not something that gets developed in a couple of years.
Their nuke program was started long before the current admin came on the scene."

True, but their program had been frozen since 1994, under IAEA seal, until the current admin pushed them to start it back up.

From Hayabusa Rider-

"Both the US and N. Korea were playing a game of who won't deliver, and it was understandable given the context of the situation. Bush had nothing to do with the current situation, but he has it now. So far no one is shooting, and that's good."

Quite to the contrary. The Bush Admin has everything to do with the current situation. It was Kelley's accusation and Bush's rhetoric, cutoff of oil and aid that set off the current crisis... The Admin needed a boogeyman to advance their NMD program, and the DPRK was entirely too easy a target to pass up...

Which is not to leave the Clinton admin blameless. Their failure to deliver on the 1994 agreement contributed greatly to the problem.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

from Eaglekeeper-

"NK has openly stated that they have a nuke weapon program. It takes 5-10 years to built a nuke just for power, let alone one that then has to be enhanced for weapons programs.

That is not something that gets developed in a couple of years.
Their nuke program was started long before the current admin came on the scene."

True, but their program had been frozen since 1994, under IAEA seal, until the current admin pushed them to start it back up.

From Hayabusa Rider-

"Both the US and N. Korea were playing a game of who won't deliver, and it was understandable given the context of the situation. Bush had nothing to do with the current situation, but he has it now. So far no one is shooting, and that's good."

Quite to the contrary. The Bush Admin has everything to do with the current situation. It was Kelley's accusation and Bush's rhetoric, cutoff of oil and aid that set off the current crisis... The Admin needed a boogeyman to advance their NMD program, and the DPRK was entirely too easy a target to pass up...

Which is not to leave the Clinton admin blameless. Their failure to deliver on the 1994 agreement contributed greatly to the problem.

They froze the plutonium program but contiuned to ran a parallel uranium enrichment program that resulted in the weapons they likely now have.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

from Eaglekeeper-

"NK has openly stated that they have a nuke weapon program. It takes 5-10 years to built a nuke just for power, let alone one that then has to be enhanced for weapons programs.

That is not something that gets developed in a couple of years.
Their nuke program was started long before the current admin came on the scene."

True, but their program had been frozen since 1994, under IAEA seal, until the current admin pushed them to start it back up.

From Hayabusa Rider-

"Both the US and N. Korea were playing a game of who won't deliver, and it was understandable given the context of the situation. Bush had nothing to do with the current situation, but he has it now. So far no one is shooting, and that's good."

Quite to the contrary. The Bush Admin has everything to do with the current situation. It was Kelley's accusation and Bush's rhetoric, cutoff of oil and aid that set off the current crisis... The Admin needed a boogeyman to advance their NMD program, and the DPRK was entirely too easy a target to pass up...

Which is not to leave the Clinton admin blameless. Their failure to deliver on the 1994 agreement contributed greatly to the problem.

An agreement that a party intendeds to never honor is worthless; Once that logic is understood, then fullfilling your side of the agreement is a fools hell and a con mans dream.

What NK did in public has been entirely different than what they do in private.
No one is looking over their shoulder, they would not allow it. The same happened in Iraq and is happening in Iran.

Public posturing looks good for the world media, actions that they do behind closed doors is a different can of worms.

Everytime NK has been offered assistance, they took it and ignored their side of an agreement. This has been going on for the past 40-50 years, not just under the current/recent administrations.

NK is nasty, period. Why else send assinnation squads into SK and Japan if they want to be nice boys. Their objective is to destroy the political motivation to resist them. Those that want to appease them have never suffered under such regeimes.

They have sliced their throat and now want the rest of the world to help fix them up so they can aginst do it and/or slice the hand that is being used to stich them up.