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Iran breaks IAEA seals to start UF6 plant

K1052

Elite Member
August 10, 2005
Iran Removes Seals at Nuclear Site
By THOMAS FULLER
VIENNA, Aug. 10 - Iran said today that seals had been removed from uranium-converting equipment at its plant in Isfahan, and that activities there would resume.

The deputy director of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization, Mohammad Saeedi, told Reuters that Iran had received permission from the United Nations nuclear monitoring agency to remove the seals.

"Some minutes ago we received a letter from the I.A.E.A. authorizing Iran to remove the seals at Isfahan plant," Mr. Saeedi was quoted as saying, referring to the International Atomic Energy Agency.

"Two hours ago the installation of surveillance cameras finished," he said. "The I.A.E.A. inspectors will oversee the removal of seals."

Removing the Isfahan seals, which were put in place last year by the United Nations agency under a voluntary agreement, means that Iran will be able to resume the second phase of the uranium conversion process, which Iran says it is pursuing for its civilian nuclear program.

Production remains suspended on the more sensitive part of Iran's nuclear fuel program, the uranium enrichment plant at Natanz, a plant that Tehran kept secret for about two decades years until it was revealed in 2002.

Iran resumed the first phase of uranium conversion on Monday and diplomats at the International Atomic Energy Agency are divided about how to respond. A meeting of the agency's governing board previously scheduled for today was canceled because diplomats could not agree on how to rebuke Iran for resuming activities that could lead to development of an atomic weapon.

Developing countries, represented by Malaysia, made a joint statement at the talks Tuesday affirming the "basic and inalienable right of all member states to develop atomic energy for peaceful purposes."

Britain, France and Germany are pushing for a forceful response, but do not plan on immediately referring the case to the United Nations Security Council.

"Negotiations continue among the 35 members states of the I.A.E.A. board of governors to reach consensus on language that will be presented to the full board," said Peter Rickwood, a spokesman for the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Iran struck a combative stance at the meeting Tuesday, calling its uranium conversion program a "jewel."

"The operation in Isfahan will continue," Cyrous Nasseri, Iran's delegate to talks, told reporters after an extraordinary meeting of the agency's governing board.

"There is no reason to suspend this activity," he said.

Diplomats from the 35 countries represented on the governing board, which includes countries as diverse as China, India, Japan, Korea, Britain, Yemen, Slovakia and the United States, are seeking consensus on the issue rather than a majority vote, I.A.E.A. officials said.

An early draft of a resolution obtained by The Associated Press expressed "serious concern" about the resumption of conversion in Isfahan and urged Iran to cooperate by "re-establishing full suspension of all enrichment-related activities."

The specific process that Iran restarted on Monday is the first step in a lengthy process to convert uranium into nuclear fuel and is used both for civilian and military purposes.

Iran says it will use the materials for its program to generate electricity through nuclear power.

At the talks Tuesday the leader of the American delegation, Greg Schulte, said the United States shared its European allies' "deep concern about the course Iran is taking."

"Iran must not be allowed to violate its international commitments and must not be allowed to develop nuclear weapons," Mr. Schulte said.

Asked for his reaction, Mr. Nasseri, the head of the Iranian delegation, issued a biting retort.

"Today is the commemoration of the bombing of Nagasaki," he told reporters on Tuesday. "The United States is the sole nuclear weapons state which had the guts to drop a bomb to kill and maim and turn into ashes millions in a split second.

"The United States is no position whatsoever to tell anyone and to preach to anyone as to what they should or should not do in their nuclear program."

In Tehran, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made similarly strong comments, calling treatment of uranium "our right," according to the ISNA news agency.

Speaking by telephone to the United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, Mr. Ahmadinejad said he would continue negotiations with Britain, France and Germany, the three countries leading a European Union effort to circumscribe Iran's nuclear program.

But Mr. Ahmadinejad repeated rejections of a European package of economic, trade and security incentives for Iran to curtail their nuclear activities. "What the Europeans sent us is not a proposal but an insult to our people," Mr. Ahmadinejad said. "Their tone is as though Iranian people are a backward nation."

Iran says it wants to generate electricity through nuclear power, as is its right under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. The United States is concerned that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons, and argues that Iran essentially forfeited its right to a full nuclear program by deceiving inspectors for years about the extent of its activities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/10/inter...d16ec9dadba9b&ei=5094&partner=homepage




Iranians restart nuke site
Uranium work could lead to UN sanctions

By Tom Hundley, Tribune foreign correspondent. Tribune news services contributed to this report
Published August 9, 2005


BERLIN -- The International Atomic Energy Agency will convene an emergency session Tuesday after Iran's announcement that it has resumed uranium conversion activities at its Isfahan nuclear plant.

Work began Monday at an area of the plant that the UN nuclear watchdog had not sealed from use, and Ali Aghamohammadi, a senior Iranian official, said Iranian scientists would break the IAEA's monitoring seals on the fuel conversion line. The agency, which has inspectors inside the facility, said late Monday in a news release that the seals had not yet been broken.

But soon after the agency completed the installation of monitoring cameras, Iranian officials began feeding uranium ore concentrate into the processing line, an operation that experts say could eventually lead to the production of the fuel needed to create atomic weapons.

Another Iranian nuclear official, Mohammad Saeedi, said IAEA seals would be removed from other portions of the line within days, allowing the plant to operate at full capacity. The facility, 255 miles south of Tehran, turns raw uranium into UF-6 gas. That gas can then be fed into centrifuges for enrichment into nuclear fuel.

Most experts believe that Iran remains at least a decade away from building a nuclear bomb, but this week's developments appeared to signal the end of a two-year effort by Britain, France and Germany to choreograph a diplomatic solution to Iran's desire to join the nuclear club.

By offering a package of economic incentives, the three European powers hoped to persuade Iran to abandon its attempts to make enriched uranium--seen by nuclear experts as the crucial step in the weaponization process--and to settle for a reduced nuclear energy program with nuclear fuel supplied by the Europeans or Russia. Iran suspended its nuclear activities in November in a nod to the negotiations, but Tehran rejected European incentives Sunday.

Tuesday's emergency session of the IAEA's governors in Vienna is likely to produce a stern warning to Tehran to suspend the fuel conversion activities immediately.

Sanctions possible

If the Iranians ignore the warning, the 35-member board is expected to reconvene in a week or two and formally refer Iran to the UN Security Council for sanctions, according to IAEA sources.

Iran insists that its nuclear intentions are purely peaceful. It says it wants to develop an alternative source of energy despite its huge oil reserves, reducing its dependence on fossil fuels. The U.S. and the Europeans are skeptical.

In response to Tehran's latest moves, German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer sounded discouraged.

"When I look at their nuclear program, then it makes absolutely no sense if the only purpose is to create electricity," he said.

German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said he is "very concerned about the confrontational line that Iran appears to have introduced."

U.S. State Department spokesman Adam Ereli accused Iran of "thumbing its nose at a productive approach." Neither Ereli nor White House spokesman Trent Duffy would directly answer questions about whether Washington intends to push for sanctions now.

French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy called on Tehran "one more time, tonight, to listen to the voice of reason."

IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei said work resumed as Isfahan before the cameras and other surveillance equipment were tested, "which normally takes 24 hours," ElBaradei's spokesman Mark Gwozdecky said in Vienna.

Diplomats and arms-control experts were puzzled about why the Iranians may have refrained from breaking the monitoring seals.

`A trust deficit'

Nonetheless, "It doesn't really matter whether the seals are broken or not," said one Western diplomat in Vienna. "The fact is they've restarted the plant."

The diplomat, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Iran had a legal right to operate a nuclear facility, but that the IAEA imposed its suspension because the agency's investigation into Iran's past activities was not finished and because Iran's attempts to conceal those activities had created a "trust deficit."

"The point is they've started pouring uranium ore into the process line," he said.

Gary Samore, a former U.S. National Security Council adviser on arms control and now a senior fellow at London's International Institute of Strategic Studies, said the Iranians may still be involved in some diplomatic gamesmanship.

"One thing we have learned is that you really can't trust what the Iranians say," he said.

Samore said that even though the seals still may be intact, it seems clear that Tehran has decided to go ahead with its uranium enrichment program and take its chances with the UN Security Council.

"It doesn't look like they are bluffing," he said. "This time they've really backed themselves into a corner, and it looks pretty convincing that they will go ahead and resume uranium enrichment."

According to Samore, the Iranians appear to have concluded that negotiations with the Europeans were a mistake.

"Their original calculation was that they could cut a deal with the EU and isolate the U.S.," he said. "Instead, the EU and the U.S. formed a closer alliance and Iran's plan backfired. The Iranians feel like they ended up in a trap."

Given the soaring price of oil and the fact that the U.S. is bogged down in Iraq, Tehran apparently has calculated that it can weather UN sanctions and any U.S. military threat.

A well-protected plant

After Israel bombed Iraq's main nuclear reactor in 1981, Iran has been careful to scatter its atomic facilities across the country. The Isfahan plant is built partly underground, and its 150 acres are ringed with radar and anti-aircraft batteries.

"They [the Iranians] assume the Security Council is going to act cautiously. This will let them test the waters," Samore said. If the UN appears to be in the mood for harsh sanctions, Iran will have time to reinstate the suspension of its nuclear program, he said.

An Iranian opposition group based in Paris urged the IAEA to immediately refer Iran to the Security Council, accusing Tehran of exploiting talks with the Europeans in a "cat and mouse game" to stall for time while covertly developing a weapons program.

The National Council of Resistance of Iran said it obtained a classified document in which Iranian officials purportedly gloat over their ability to pursue that work while the Bush administration is preoccupied with the war in Iraq.

Farid Soleimani, an official with the group, told reporters in Vienna that the document was issued in June by Iran's Supreme National Security Council. He said it described the two years of negotiations with the EU as a "major achievement" for Iran's nuclear program because the talks took the pressure off the regime.

"We thwarted U.S. efforts to accuse Iran of non-compliance" with the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, which forbids Iran from obtaining nuclear arms, Soleimani quoted the report as saying.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati...204.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

If they continue the issue will have to be referred to the UN Security Council. It looks like the European's best efforts may have failed and they are going to have to make the call on what to do with Iran.

If Iran dosen't back down this could get ugly for everyone.


 
Originally posted by: Forsythe
I don't see any problems in them having nukes.
I mean, you have nukes, what's the problem?

Iran voluntarily signed the NPT for starters.

 
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Forsythe
I don't see any problems in them having nukes.
I mean, you have nukes, what's the problem?

Iran voluntarily signed the NPT for starters.

Refresh my mind, NPT?

The bomb is actually one of the best ways to create peace, just see how much the relationship improved between India and Pakistan since they both declared they had nukes. There are several examples of such.
however, unlike the militaristic leadership in the US, i only believe nukes to be retaliatory bombs, not an offensive weapon.
 
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Forsythe
I don't see any problems in them having nukes.
I mean, you have nukes, what's the problem?

Iran voluntarily signed the NPT for starters.

Refresh my mind, NPT?

The bomb is actually one of the best ways to create peace, just see how much the relationship improved between India and Pakistan since they both declared they had nukes. There are several examples of such.
however, unlike the militaristic leadership in the US, i only believe nukes to be retaliatory bombs, not an offensive weapon.

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. An international agreement not to pursue nuclear weapons development by non-nuclear states but provides for peaceful nuclear industry.

The transfer of nuclear materials and technology with potential weapons applications to non-nuclear states is also fobidden.

I don't see the US out there waving nukes around as on offensive weapon.
 
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Forsythe
I don't see any problems in them having nukes.
I mean, you have nukes, what's the problem?

Iran voluntarily signed the NPT for starters.

Refresh my mind, NPT?

The bomb is actually one of the best ways to create peace, just see how much the relationship improved between India and Pakistan since they both declared they had nukes. There are several examples of such.
however, unlike the militaristic leadership in the US, i only believe nukes to be retaliatory bombs, not an offensive weapon.

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. An international agreement not to pursue nuclear weapons development by non-nuclear states but provides for peaceful nuclear industry.

The transfer of nuclear materials and technology with potential weapons applications to non-nuclear states is also fobidden.

I don't see the US out there waving nukes around as on offensive weapon.

It's called tactical nukes, and it's insanity, if i'm not wrong i heard someone in the admin talking about how they'd want to use tactical nukes.
 
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: conjur
Non-Proliferation Treaty

Am i the only one that sees nothiong wrong with them wanting nukes?
Which is not even their stated purpose afaik.

They have already built a good sized enrichment program and only have a single operational reactor that the Russians are providing fuel for. No other reactors will go online for at least a decade. The fact that Iran tried (and failed) to hide the true scale of their program also does not bode well.

This is very likely a weapons program.

 
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Forsythe
I don't see any problems in them having nukes.
I mean, you have nukes, what's the problem?

Iran voluntarily signed the NPT for starters.

Refresh my mind, NPT?

The bomb is actually one of the best ways to create peace, just see how much the relationship improved between India and Pakistan since they both declared they had nukes. There are several examples of such.
however, unlike the militaristic leadership in the US, i only believe nukes to be retaliatory bombs, not an offensive weapon.

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. An international agreement not to pursue nuclear weapons development by non-nuclear states but provides for peaceful nuclear industry.

The transfer of nuclear materials and technology with potential weapons applications to non-nuclear states is also fobidden.

I don't see the US out there waving nukes around as on offensive weapon.

It's called tactical nukes, and it's insanity, if i'm not wrong i heard someone in the admin talking about how they'd want to use tactical nukes.

We have had tactical nukes for decades as do several other nuclear powers.

If you could be more specific about what you heard I will comment on it.
 
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Forsythe
I don't see any problems in them having nukes.
I mean, you have nukes, what's the problem?

Iran voluntarily signed the NPT for starters.

Refresh my mind, NPT?

The bomb is actually one of the best ways to create peace, just see how much the relationship improved between India and Pakistan since they both declared they had nukes. There are several examples of such.
however, unlike the militaristic leadership in the US, i only believe nukes to be retaliatory bombs, not an offensive weapon.

Yes what a wonderful relationship. They detonate nuckes to show off and almost bring each other to the brink of war.

Letting a nation that openly funds a terrorist organization have nuclear weapons is a recipe for disaster.

I somethings think the only way people will get it is when the bomb blows up in their backyard. And then maybe they will get out from behind the TV screen to ask why didnt we do something about this when we still could?



 
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: conjur
Non-Proliferation Treaty
Am i the only one that sees nothiong wrong with them wanting nukes?
Which is not even their stated purpose afaik.
I can't see Iran being an aggressor nation and launching nukes willy-nilly all over the Middle East. What purpose would that serve? The move to acquire nukes (if that's what they are doing and I wouldn't be surprised if it is) is a defensive move. Think we'd be mired in Iraq if Saddam really did have nuclear weapons?
 
Iran is a supplier of weapons to terrorists. What if they give a nuke to the people in the west bank and they nuke isreal with it, or they give one to Al-qeada to nuke us with?

You can not really beleive anything Iran says. They have allowed Al-Qeada to be guests in their country. They clearly support terrorism.

Well we have 2 choices. We either wait and see what they do, or we destroy their facility. Take your pick!

I wonder what Isreal will do?

Obviously the UN is over there playing patty-cake with these people.
 
Originally posted by: piasabird

I wonder what Isreal will do?

They have nukes of their own. And a fabulous Intelligence Agency. They can take care of things. I do not see Iran actually using nukes against Israel, its just a way to have a say in a territory which has Pakistan, India, China, and Israel all nuclear powers.
 
The only people that should care about Iran having or not having nukes, is the country that is planning to invade or attack Iran. Does anyone think Iran is planning to build a $100 billion nuclear weapon and then simply fire it at some randon target? Iran having a nuke is like my brother being drunk...... Just leave him alone and everything's fine; go start a fight with him and somebodys gonna get shot in azz.

I am available for United Nations duty.
 
The only way to be a world player now a days is to have a nuke. Axis of Evil? If you want to avoid invasion, just say you have a nuke, then you are off limits.
 
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: conjur
Non-Proliferation Treaty

Am i the only one that sees nothiong wrong with them wanting nukes?
Which is not even their stated purpose afaik.

They're crazy enough to use them? For Iran, there true enemy Isreali only needs one nuke, after that they'll be crushed. There populace and country is so concentrated, once one hits they're basically done for.

Not to mention, the United States and many United States companies have put a lot of money into Isreali. My lovely goverment wouldn't want that to go to waste, not mention we have enough problems in the middle east already.
 
Update.

Eventually that UF6 is going to be sent to the centrifuges at Natanz and this issue will come to a head.
 
Lots of ASSumptions in this thread. Let me know if you can disprove any of these points:

1) Iran has stated their nuclear program will only be used for peaceful purposes.

2) Iran's nuclear program is partly homegrown, and they have recieved help from nuclear powers such as China and Russia.

3) Iran has not violated any part of the NPT, nor have they made plans to. The NPT gives nations the right to enrich uranium to produce nuclear fuel.

4) We have no intelligence that suggests Iran has a nuclear weapons program.

5) By crying wolf with Iraq, the US Intelligence Community has lost credibility in the world stage, making their proposed actions with the U.N. a non-issue for Iran. Short of having a "smoking gun", the U.S. words will not have the weight needed to make a credible threat to Iran.

6) Because Russia and China have aided Iran with their nuclear program, and because Russia and China both have veto power in the U.N. Security Council, the threat of action against Iran is VERY small.

7) The threat of sanctions is a non-issue for Iran, who have learned to live with sanctions for decades.

8) Iran's ruling hard-liner government AND reformist groups BOTH support the development of the nuclear program...their country is united behind this single effort.

:thumbsup: to Iran for sticking it to the US government. We have no right to be the world's policeman, especially after Iraq.

I don't see how the Euros or the US is going to make Iran stop their nuclear program short of major financial incentives for their country.

If the US tries to start a military conflict with Iran, they will have to do so unilaterally; there is no way the UK is going to touch this one with a ten foot pole.

If the US bombs Iran's nuclear facilities, that is a declaration of war, and things will go south quickly in the region (Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan being neighbors). Not exactly an ideal situation for our troops. If you think losing 4 troops per day in Iraq is bad, keep in mind Iran's military is better equipped than Iraq ever was, and it isn't lined with deserters.

If Israel bombs Iran's nuclear facilities, the current stalemate with Palestine will dissolve, Israel will get bombed heavily, and both sides will lose out.

How about we use our fvcking heads in this situation?

Let Iran build their plant. Let the IAEA continue to put up cameras and monitor Iran's activities. Let Iran pursue nuclear power as long as it stays within the bounds of the NPT.

If Iran ever goes astray, at least we'll have the worldwide support needed to mount a successful diplomatic or military action against Iran.

If we rush to judgement again, like we did with Iraq, we will create a world of problems.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Lots of ASSumptions in this thread. Let me know if you can disprove any of these points:

1) Iran has stated their nuclear program will only be used for peaceful purposes.

2) Iran's nuclear program is partly homegrown, and they have recieved help from nuclear powers such as China and Russia.

3) Iran has not violated any part of the NPT, nor have they made plans to. The NPT gives nations the right to enrich uranium to produce nuclear fuel.

4) We have no intelligence that suggests Iran has a nuclear weapons program.

5) By crying wolf with Iraq, the US Intelligence Community has lost credibility in the world stage, making their proposed actions with the U.N. a non-issue for Iran. Short of having a "smoking gun", the U.S. words will not have the weight needed to make a credible threat to Iran.

6) Because Russia and China have aided Iran with their nuclear program, and because Russia and China both have veto power in the U.N. Security Council, the threat of action against Iran is VERY small.

7) The threat of sanctions is a non-issue for Iran, who have learned to live with sanctions for decades.

8) Iran's ruling hard-liner government AND reformist groups BOTH support the development of the nuclear program...their country is united behind this single effort.

:thumbsup: to Iran for sticking it to the US government. We have no right to be the world's policeman, especially after Iraq.

I don't see how the Euros or the US is going to make Iran stop their nuclear program short of major financial incentives for their country.

If the US tries to start a military conflict with Iran, they will have to do so unilaterally; there is no way the UK is going to touch this one with a ten foot pole.

If the US bombs Iran's nuclear facilities, that is a declaration of war, and things will go south quickly in the region (Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan being neighbors). Not exactly an ideal situation for our troops. If you think losing 4 troops per day in Iraq is bad, keep in mind Iran's military is better equipped than Iraq ever was, and it isn't lined with deserters.

If Israel bombs Iran's nuclear facilities, the current stalemate with Palestine will dissolve, Israel will get bombed heavily, and both sides will lose out.

They have a large uranium enrichment program and nowhere (legally) to use what they enrich. Iran also attempted to hide the scale of the program from the IAEA.

The only reactor they have is covered by a fuel deal with Russia where the fuel is shipped in then out again when depleted. It will be a decade before any other reactor comes on line as they are only talking about the possibility of building more.

Purchasing refined reactor grade fuel from europe or Russia makes more sense anyway to avoid the costs involved in refinement infastructure. Even if they decided that they require domestic facilities why build them in bunkers and not discolse their existance to the IAEA?

This smells like a weapons program and everyone knows it.

 
Originally posted by: K1052
They have a large uranium enrichment program and nowhere (legally) to use what they enrich. Iran also attempted to hide the scale of the program from the IAEA.

The only reactor they have is covered by a fuel deal with Russia where the fuel is shipped in then out again when depleted. It will be a decade before any other reactor comes on line as they are only talking about the possibility of building more.

Purchasing refined reactor grade fuel from europe or Russia makes more sense anyway to avoid the costs involved in refinement infastructure. Even if they decided that they require domestic facilities why build them in bunkers and not discolse their existance to the IAEA?

This smells like a weapons program and everyone knows it.

Smells like =! having credible proof.

Building in bunkers...well what happened last time the pursued a nuclear reactor...that's right, Israel bombed it. Well let's spend billions to build more facilities right out in the open so they can be destroyed again.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: K1052
They have a large uranium enrichment program and nowhere (legally) to use what they enrich. Iran also attempted to hide the scale of the program from the IAEA.

The only reactor they have is covered by a fuel deal with Russia where the fuel is shipped in then out again when depleted. It will be a decade before any other reactor comes on line as they are only talking about the possibility of building more.

Purchasing refined reactor grade fuel from europe or Russia makes more sense anyway to avoid the costs involved in refinement infastructure. Even if they decided that they require domestic facilities why build them in bunkers and not discolse their existance to the IAEA?

This smells like a weapons program and everyone knows it.

Smells like =! having credible proof.

Building in bunkers...well what happened last time the pursued a nuclear reactor...that's right, Israel bombed it. Well let's spend billions to build more facilities right out in the open so they can be destroyed again.

The Bushehr reactor is above ground.

This indicates that for some reason the reactor that they have spent about 15 years and billions building is somehow less important than the gas centrifuge facility.

Odd logic that, unless....

 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Lots of ASSumptions in this thread. Let me know if you can disprove any of these points:

1) Iran has stated their nuclear program will only be used for peaceful purposes.

2) Iran's nuclear program is partly homegrown, and they have recieved help from nuclear powers such as China and Russia.

3) Iran has not violated any part of the NPT, nor have they made plans to. The NPT gives nations the right to enrich uranium to produce nuclear fuel.

4) We have no intelligence that suggests Iran has a nuclear weapons program.

5) By crying wolf with Iraq, the US Intelligence Community has lost credibility in the world stage, making their proposed actions with the U.N. a non-issue for Iran. Short of having a "smoking gun", the U.S. words will not have the weight needed to make a credible threat to Iran.

6) Because Russia and China have aided Iran with their nuclear program, and because Russia and China both have veto power in the U.N. Security Council, the threat of action against Iran is VERY small.

7) The threat of sanctions is a non-issue for Iran, who have learned to live with sanctions for decades.

8) Iran's ruling hard-liner government AND reformist groups BOTH support the development of the nuclear program...their country is united behind this single effort.

:thumbsup: to Iran for sticking it to the US government. We have no right to be the world's policeman, especially after Iraq.

I don't see how the Euros or the US is going to make Iran stop their nuclear program short of major financial incentives for their country.

If the US tries to start a military conflict with Iran, they will have to do so unilaterally; there is no way the UK is going to touch this one with a ten foot pole.

If the US bombs Iran's nuclear facilities, that is a declaration of war, and things will go south quickly in the region (Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan being neighbors). Not exactly an ideal situation for our troops. If you think losing 4 troops per day in Iraq is bad, keep in mind Iran's military is better equipped than Iraq ever was, and it isn't lined with deserters.

If Israel bombs Iran's nuclear facilities, the current stalemate with Palestine will dissolve, Israel will get bombed heavily, and both sides will lose out.

How about we use our fvcking heads in this situation?

Let Iran build their plant. Let the IAEA continue to put up cameras and monitor Iran's activities. Let Iran pursue nuclear power as long as it stays within the bounds of the NPT.

If Iran ever goes astray, at least we'll have the worldwide support needed to mount a successful diplomatic or military action against Iran.

If we rush to judgement again, like we did with Iraq, we will create a world of problems.

Wow! well said jpeyton that was really excellent!
 
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