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Originally posted by: SketchMaster
I made up my mind not to get an ipod when on the Screensavers They took a call about the new ipod mini crashing all the time and Kevin was going to talk about how cool his was.

Well Pat was talking to the caller while Keven was messing with his ipod with a sick look on his face, Pat ask what the prob was and keven looked up and said "my music is gone. the ipod lost all my music..."

This was on live TV, I started rolling on the floor.
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Umm...that was quite a while ago and that problem has been corrected.



OP..if you don't like the iPod we have this wonderful thing called choice...try it sometime.
 
Originally posted by: LtPage1
why are you so angry? you knew exactly what you were getting into. or youre an idiot and did no research. what, you expect everything you buy to work perfectly, right out of the box? THEN WHY THE HELL DO YOU HAVE A WINDOWS PC?! go buy a mac if little problems like these make you angry.
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Err, my iRiver worked perfectly out of the box. It's not made by Apple. I hooked it up to a Windows PC with no problem.
 
Well, we all know who's been stealing songs from the P2P now, do we? Buy the fricking CDs and rip 'em yourself and you wouldn't be bitching about how the program handles the naming.
 
I had the unfortunate pleasure of having to set up an iPod at the weekend.

By the time I got to the PC, iTunes had already been installed 🙁 I then had to fight with iTunes to get EphPod to recognise the iPod without iTunes taking over, then I got pissed and uninstalled iTunes, and bang, EphPod worked straight away.

Thankfully the person I was setting it up for had no prior MP3s, so I was able to set up EAC with LAME and configure everything properly so that the ID3 tags were completely filled in, and the Sync & Quit feature of EphPod is all I showed him how to use, and it works perfectly...well as perfectly as an iPod could work!
 
Originally posted by: flexy
wife got an ipod, and i am dealing with that POS for a while now and here a list while i really thing that ipods SUCK:

1) itunes and quicktime

THIS ALONE gets me going since i MIGHT see that people MIGHT want to use itunes, but why on EARTH do i need quicktime too ?

Since years i try to avoid these kind of software, eg. realplayer, quicktime etc.

Just makes me angry.

2) file system incompatibilty. Well, windows ipod is FAT32, but still why does it not use a normal directory structure with filenames so you COUL just copy songs over from the PC like to another device/drive.....but NO ! Apple must do it different....i mean "different" in a VERY stupid way:
(see below)

3) ipod obviously only lists and sorts tracks according to mp3 tags, filenames do NOT exist.
So...wife has about 3000 tracks right now and 1000 of them dont have a freaking mp3 tag ! YES APPLE, this happens ! MP3s MIGHt not always have an mp3id tag !

So....have to use 3rd part software to convert filename -> mp3id tag so you can see these songs listed in the ipod.
WHY NOT JUST USE NORMAL FILENAMES ?????

4) Huge problems using any 3rd party tools like anapod, ephpod or winamp ml ipod plugin w/ a network drive on wife's laptop(with the tracks on there) and an ipod connected to *my* PC.

Select more than 100 songs and want to copy em over.....winamp crashes once in a while.....ephpod hangs/crashes....anapod just allows ONE song at a time in the trial version. Its "great" if you need to copy THOUSANDS of songs. Idiots - so...if i were to pay $25 for the full version of anapod i dont even KNOW whether it would actually work over the network then since i cant "try" this in the trial.

5) ipod doesnt work at all on wife's laptop after i got a USB2.0 PCMCIA card...just freezes up etc...

Etc..etc.....rant rant.....

How EASY would it be if it would be filesystem compatible and you plug it in and COULD copy songs from and to windows just like i do on a memory card or something ?

NO...oh..because Apple needs to sell their stupid itunes tracks with their stupid software.....because if it would just WORK without any special s/w...well apple might lose some customers buying songs using their itunes store...DUH 🙂
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1) Control panel -> add remove programs and remove quicktime.

2) So... there is file system compatibility. Not having a directory structure means you can have increased control over your music collection (sorting by genre etc). Using both filename

3) Same argument as 2

4) nothing to do with iPod or iTunes, contact support of the various software producers of anapod, etc.

5) Again, nothing to do with the actual iPod. Buy an apple if you want a solid computer.

Looks to me like you just want someone to blame.

 
If you learned from this to do research in the future instead of blindly doing what everyone else is doing or buying what TV commercials tell you to buy, consider it a (quite expensive) lesson. Anyone who has 15 minutes and an internet connection, and isn't a teenager, can easily see what a piece of crap the ipod is.
 
1) itunes and quicktime
You don't have to use their software, there is EPHPOD which is freeware and many other commercial software products.

2) file system incompatibilty.
The point of their filesystem is having playlists. You could get a cheap drag and drop mp3 player that uses directorys instead of playlist, but then you couldn't have one song on two playlists without multiple copys, or without editing a playlist via their software...

3) ipod obviously only lists and sorts tracks according to mp3 tags, filenames do NOT exist.
Ephpod ownz you.

4) Your computer sucks.

5) see #4
 
the fact that they have a little something called 'style' is obviously wasted on ATOT 😛

i've also found that the controls are vastly better than any other mp3 player i've ever used...

but at the end of the day, if you don't like it, don't buy it, and certainly don't bother cluttering up ATOT with your whining :|

 
Originally posted by: dug777
the fact that they have a little something called 'style' is obviously wasted on ATOT 😛

i've also found that the controls are vastly better than any other mp3 player i've ever used...

but at the end of the day, if you don't like it, don't buy it, and certainly don't bother cluttering up ATOT with your whining :|
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As opposed to cluttering up ATOT with Night Crew neffing?

😛
 
Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Originally posted by: dug777
the fact that they have a little something called 'style' is obviously wasted on ATOT 😛

i've also found that the controls are vastly better than any other mp3 player i've ever used...

but at the end of the day, if you don't like it, don't buy it, and certainly don't bother cluttering up ATOT with your whining :|
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As opposed to cluttering up ATOT with Night Crew neffing?

😛
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It's called OT not Whinge about ipods here' for a reason :|

😉
 
I just hate ipods because of the hype thats associated with them. Although I dont see why having a mp3 player is all that important anyways. I would much rather listen to music on my home theater rather than a ipod.
 
Well, we all know who's been stealing songs from the P2P now, do we? Buy the fricking CDs and rip 'em yourself and you wouldn't be bitching about how the program handles the naming.
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i rip my own CDs, but i fail to see why you would NOT want to sort them by directories. i mean do you really have your mp3 files on your hard drive clumped up to one gigantic folder? it simply makes more sense to replicate the exact stucture of your hdd (or partially while at that), which is the most intuitive way to do it. i am not giving up my iriver till other companies learn from them to give more control over the file management to users.

Originally posted by: SilentZero
I just hate ipods because of the hype thats associated with them. Although I dont see why having a mp3 player is all that important anyways. I would much rather listen to music on my home theater rather than a ipod.
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that actually brings up a good point, do most people need more than 1gb of mp3 (not even lossless here) on the go? with flash based players getting cheaper, having something more lightweight and trouble free for workouts for less money makes more sense. sound quality seems to be worse across the board compared to more expensive hdd-based players, but those same people who buy i-pods are the ones who dismiss the significance of sound quality on portable devices as competition from rio, iriver and creative offer distinctly better products in that regard.
 
I have a 40gb clickwheel, griffin fm transmitter, Bose Sounddockspeaker, in-ear buds, belkin car charger
mom has a 20gb 3g, JBL On Stage spaker
sister has a 15gb 3g, 1gb Shuffle, Altec Lansing inMotion speakers
Friend #1 has 4gb mini, mini griffin fm transmitter, base station, in-ear buds
Friend #2 has 60gb ipod Photo, griffin FM transmitter, in-ear buds

and those are just the people i am close to.... we ALL love our ipods and every Accessory though i wasn't perfectly satisfied with my in-ear buds
 
Originally posted by: Baked
Well, we all know who's been stealing songs from the P2P now, do we? Buy the fricking CDs and rip 'em yourself and you wouldn't be bitching about how the program handles the naming.
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bad p2p apparently. all the official "releases" have been tagged for years now.

and if you rip your cds... automated tagging is easy.

that actually brings up a good point, do most people need more than 1gb of mp3 (not even lossless here) on the go? with flash based players getting cheaper, having something more lightweight and trouble free for workouts for less money makes more sense. sound quality seems to be worse across the board compared to more expensive hdd-based players, but those same people who buy i-pods are the ones who dismiss the significance of sound quality on portable devices as competition from rio, iriver and creative offer distinctly better products in that regard.
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yea. say 100 cds. 12 songs a cd. 5mb song. thats 6GB already. if you rip at 320kbs then its 10mb a song....as for sound quality, most people like to rip once and use that file over many devices. ripping different qualities for different apps.. unnecessary hassle.
 
yea. say 100 cds. 12 songs a cd. 5mb song. thats 6GB already. if you rip at 320kbs then its 10mb a song....as for sound quality, most people like to rip once and use that file over many devices. ripping different qualities for different apps.. unnecessary hassle.
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so do you really have to an urge to carry 100cds at ALL times? it could be nice for a road trip, like you would do that 24/7. prolonged use of in-canal headphones can be detrimental to your ears, so you cant be listening to it 10hours straight either. it depends who you define 'most' for one thing, as the majority would be lucky to rip anything at all. i am not seeing why you are brining up ripping at different qualities at all, i never said anything along that line. the mention of lossless was just to show you get plenty enough space with 1gig for general use. having more space and more songs to choose from is a nice commodity to have, but i dont think its worth more than double the cost and bigger size and weight. of course this is just my opinion.
 
the point of an ipod isn't to listen to 1000 songs at a time. its to have your collection at your finger tips. thats the killer app. no longer having to be limited to just a small part of your music collection when on the go, but to have the option of any of the songs you own with just the press of a button.
 
so i-pod mini offers 5gigs, one of those lexar mp3 drive thingys can hold 1 gig each. carrying another media really isnt a problem and they are expandable to no end with media becoming so cheap these days. yes, it would probably a bit of hassle to swap your media if 1gig is not enough, but you gotta wonder how much of an upgrade it is to go with 5gb instead of 1gb. i am only saying this since the people on the apple camp are so bent on the miniscule differences in size they have to give up better sound, more featuers and (usually) much better price/performance ratio. flash drives are definitely much smaller, trouble free if thats what you really want in your portable device above all.
 
hassle + cost = ick
carrying 4 cf cards + a player? thats rather inelegant.
having to shuffle the cf's in and out? thats like playing with cassettes or cds...or minidiscs... thats taking a step back. jukebox/playlists/fingertip convenience out the door.
 
i just offered that as an option (notice i said IF you must need it), not as a realistic approach. at first people seem to think they NEED 20gigs. then later realize 5gb is good enough since they dont really get the most out of it. if you can step down from 20gb to 5gb, why not from 5gb to 1gb? i guess you just didnt see the analogy.
like i said earlier, this is DOABLE, but not necessary. also notice how i mentioned hdd-based players are well suited for longer trips, which is where carrying extra storage would be an viable option. i agree an average file size tends to 10mb, altho i would estimate a bit lower with VBR, assuming each song is ~5minutes or so. with that in mind, 1gb should be enough for 'most' people. just my opinion again, and flash based players are no less convinient at that with much better bang for buck and portability. i know there are people who DO workout just fine with i-pod minis, but you would have a reason to be wary of it with a hdd inside it. this is one area where flash players are unbeatable with smaller size and weight to boot and absolute freedom from the worries of shock-induced damage.

to sum it up, i-pods have a reputation of having worse sound quality, which is a general consensus. to people with better earphones this is quite noticeable. yet with mp3 players portability is one of the utmost priorities and i-pods do edge out other players by a slight margin. if size was such an important factor to make compromises, flash drive based units arent too bad with media being so cheap. not everyone has unlimited budget and that little 'elegance' is costing a bit too much for poor students like me.
 
pcmag is not a very good source for basing your opinion on sound quality. feedback from head-fi does seem quite positive, which is why i believe i-shuffle might be worth a look. now the apple camp is starting to see what they have been missing, hopefully. i dont think anyone preferred it to rio karma, so 'blows em all away' is rather blowing it out of proportion. since when were we taking these all-encompassing computer magazines seriously anyway? i am sure they have some great credible reviews on video cards as well.
 
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