Ipod really that good?

[tiap]

Originally posted by: addragyn
A bunch of monkeys and their keyboards is no sustitute for Real Life. Clearly there are many differeing opinion here. Go to the store and try them out.

Don't buy on specs alone, try out the software and the UI.

Some people blast how iTunes/iPod works. Welcome to 2005! Metadata, it's a good thing...

Jnetty99
To get realistic answers to your post, I guess you should have ask for responses from people who actually OWN an Ipod, and not just expert review readers. Sounds like some here, must own every make and model.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Yes, I am delusional and on an acid trip... I've also read the past 5 Apple-related threads that you've "participated" in. Once again, deny it all you want, but it's impossible to have any Apple related civil discussion with you simply because you are an Apple hating man. Hell, just look at your signature. It's painfully obvious, and underscores anything you may post in these threads. Sorry.

Lol, was that an attempt at dodging the argument? I'm honestly not sure, if it was it failed miserably. Here, I'll throw it at you again, and I'll even edit out the less relevant parts so as not to confuse you:

Originally posted by: Gurck
You've done nothing in this thread but troll and insult, and you admit to this. I've discussed DAPs, their features, prices, etc., and been civil except to those who've been uncivil to me - and you accuse me of being unable to civilly discuss them?

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Stop feeding the trolls and they will naturally vacate the thread.

Sorry, I find it difficult not to at times

If anyone is the troll its you. Every single iPod thread that comes up you go on this crusade to bash the iPod, and bash the people who like theirs.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Childs

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Stop feeding the trolls and they will naturally vacate the thread.

Sorry, I find it difficult not to at times

If anyone is the troll its you. Every single iPod thread that comes up you go on this crusade to bash the iPod, and bash the people who like theirs.

The only people I've bashed are those who insult & namecall rather than discuss why they like the ipod. It's not my fault that there's nothing to like about it and that you people, rather than simply not post, instead insult me, troll and just act like children in general in retaliation for me pointing this out. Steve Jobs is a genius; he could crap in a box, call it iShit, and have millions of screaming fans ripping heads off anyone pointing out to you that you're buying human feces. Gotta love the i, it just makes everything cool...

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Excelsior
Goddamnit, it is impossible to have a conversation with you. I know you didn't say it costs $500, I never said you did. Simple reading comprehension would show you that. I assume when you speak of players that are equal in terms of features or sound quality bust cost half as much, you are talking of the Karma? If not, then what players are you talking about? I see the Karma's lowest price shipped from a reputable vendor being $188, obviously not half as much. Please show me these 20GB mp3 players which are equal in terms of features and/or sound quality that I can get for less than $145 shipped from a reputable vendor.


Again, stop assuming I trust him, and that I am not thinking for myself. I am merely pointing out, that a well respected reviewer of DAPs (think what you want about him getting money from Apple), and try reading his reviews to see what he knows, or is that too much research/work for you? Did I say "OMG, the iPod is kickass because someone said so."? Not quite.

I never claimed you said that I had stated the Ipod was $500, you mentioend something about simple reading comprehension? Actually we are conversing on it, and though it's not as smooth as it could be, it beats having young'uns lie about what I've said and call me names for disagreeing with them, all while mysteriously avoiding actual issues, so I guess I can't complain.

The player which is as little as half as much is the 40gb Zen Xtra, as low as $200 vs. $400 for the 40gb ipod.

Your post did indeed read as "soandso says it, so it must be true". Perhaps it's because you gave no actual reasoning for your feeling that it's a good player. I never said that he's taking money under the table from Apple, I only brought it up as a possibility. My point was simply that we have no idea where he's coming from without knowing him personally or chatting with him about it. What if you had his AIM name and asked him about it, only to get a response like "wut ur 2 b iz ne1 plz"? Would you still take him seriously? We have no way of knowing his angle on this. It could be as simple as his editor not wanting to piss off Apple for fear of losing advertising dollars from them.

"I never said it was $500" You tell me why you said that then...

Did I say I felt it was a good player? I don't remember saying that. He might type like that on aim, but judging from his reviews and posts on the forums, he most certainly doesn't act that way. I just don't think you are putting much effort into this because you are so skeptical of someone with that much experience actually admitting the iPod is decent for what it is supposed to be. Try going through the forums, seeing his posts..etc...oh well, thats useless, you won't do it. You will just keep repeating yourself like a broken record.

And I can only find the 40GB Zen Xtra for $230, but I guess there is no point in splitting hairs here. But wait, I see the 40GB iPod for $344...or the 40GB iPod photo is available for just $30 more.

So I guess you won't be able to back up your previous statement then?

I quoted because you didn't to respond to my post.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Excelsior
"I never said it was $500" You tell me why you said that then...

Did I say I felt it was a good player? I don't remember saying that. He might type like that on aim, but judging from his reviews and posts on the forums, he most certainly doesn't act that way. I just don't think you are putting much effort into this because you are so skeptical of someone with that much experience actually admitting the iPod is decent for what it is supposed to be. Try going through the forums, seeing his posts..etc...oh well, thats useless, you won't do it. You will just keep repeating yourself like a broken record.

And I can only find the 40GB Zen Xtra for $230, but I guess there is no point in splitting hairs here. But wait, I see the 40GB iPod for $344...or the 40GB iPod photo is available for just $30 more.

So I guess you won't be able to back up your previous statement then?

I quoted because you didn't to respond to my post.

But I didn't say it...

I'm not going to a lot of trouble to discredit the guy, I'm just saying that people are all different, often vastly so, and that you shouldn't give him so much credit in the first place. Perhaps its a personality thing; I'm generally skeptical, whereas you may be more prone to give the benefit of the doubt.

I said the 40gb Zen Xtra could be had for as little as $200, not that it was commonly sold at this price. A while back one of the big 3 (BB, CC, CompUSA) had it for that price after MIR. Link to $344 40gb ipod? And please, don't quote a price from iwillscamu.com, I'm looking for something legitimate.

This is all moot though; even if the difference were only $100 my argument stands up on principle; if someone doesn't like all of the goodies they'd get with a player which costs a little less than the ipod, why not get a player which costs a lot less and doesn't have those features they don't want?

 

[0roo0roo]

theres no point argueing with someone who thinks he knows it all...and thinks he's an audiophile with his hd280's nerd superiority complex at its worst.

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Childs

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Stop feeding the trolls and they will naturally vacate the thread.

Sorry, I find it difficult not to at times

If anyone is the troll its you. Every single iPod thread that comes up you go on this crusade to bash the iPod, and bash the people who like theirs.

The only people I've bashed are those who insult & namecall rather than discuss why they like the ipod. It's not my fault that there's nothing to like about it and that you people, rather than simply not post, instead insult me, troll and just act like children in general in retaliation for me pointing this out. Steve Jobs is a genius; he could crap in a box, call it iShit, and have millions of screaming fans ripping heads off anyone pointing out to you that you're buying human feces. Gotta love the i, it just makes everything cool...

I would rather drink Job's koolaid then have whatever got stuck up your butt in mine. Maybe we post because we're sick of seeing every thread on the subject polluted by your BS. Or maybe we post because we simply disagree with your point of view. You insult every iPod owner with quotes like this:

Ew, no. They're well liked because Apple has spent a lot of money building an image for themselves and the ipod through advertising and most people are gullible.

You fanboys need to stop being swayed by phlegMTV commercials and letting other people shove their agendas down your throats, and try thinking for yourselves instead.

Ok, if everything is "good enough for you" (though I'll be honest - you sound like a parent excusing their dull, trouble-making child),

Steve Jobs is a genius; he could crap in a box, call it iShit, and have millions of screaming fans ripping heads off anyone pointing out to you that you're buying human feces. Gotta love the i, it just makes everything cool...

and mislead:

Unfortunately, due to copy protection concerns, the ipod will only play music which has been encrypted by itunes or a third party program such as anapod, ephpod, etc. - while other players allow you the far easier option of manipulating their contents with a file manager.

You make the topic personal, then try to take the high road. You are the definition of a troll. Why you think you're subjective opinion is superior to another's is beyond me. Your arrogance is astonishing. What's even more astounding is that you seem to make it your mission in life. Guess what, people buy Levi's jeans instead of wal-mart's house brand, and Coke instead of Safeway select. Get over it.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
theres no point argueing with someone who thinks he knows it all...and thinks he's an audiophile with his hd280's nerd superiority complex at its worst.

Agreed, kids will continue to like ipods despite all manner of logic telling them otherwise, since they see the commercials on MTV - but the occasional adult reads these forums as well, and adults don't think they know everything there is to know, which is why I'm arguing the point.

Agreed on the headphones as well, who is it that thinks they're an audiophile and that Senny 280s are audiophile-grade headphones? I'd like to set that guy straight in a PM. I know you're not referring to me, since I've stated many times that I'm certainly not one nor do I think 280s are of that caliber - and I'm going to go against my usual skepticism here and give you the benefit of the doubt about literacy... so who is it?

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Childs
I would rather drink Job's koolaid then have whatever got stuck up your butt in mine. Maybe we post because we're sick of seeing every thread on the subject polluted by your BS. Or maybe we post because we simply disagree with your point of view. You insult every iPod owner with quotes like this:

Ew, no. They're well liked because Apple has spent a lot of money building an image for themselves and the ipod through advertising and most people are gullible.

You fanboys need to stop being swayed by phlegMTV commercials and letting other people shove their agendas down your throats, and try thinking for yourselves instead.

Ok, if everything is "good enough for you" (though I'll be honest - you sound like a parent excusing their dull, trouble-making child),

Steve Jobs is a genius; he could crap in a box, call it iShit, and have millions of screaming fans ripping heads off anyone pointing out to you that you're buying human feces. Gotta love the i, it just makes everything cool...

and mislead:

Unfortunately, due to copy protection concerns, the ipod will only play music which has been encrypted by itunes or a third party program such as anapod, ephpod, etc. - while other players allow you the far easier option of manipulating their contents with a file manager.

You make the topic personal, then try to take the high road. You are the definition of a troll. Why you think you're subjective opinion is superior to another's is beyond me. Your arrogance is astonishing. What's even more astounding is that you seem to make it your mission in life. Guess what, people buy Levi's jeans instead of wal-mart's house brand, and Coke instead of Safeway select. Get over it.

Is this supposed to prove something?

You've quoted me commenting on a market trend (the ipod is popular in large part because people tend to be gullible, but this isn't an insult to all ipod owners), responding in kind to people who've taken the first step in being uncivil to me and .. I'm not even sure what purpose you have in quoting the rest of those.

I'd especially like to go into your claim that I'm misleading people on the ipod's copy protection - care to explain that one in more detail?

Kudos for at least trying, I guess - I had expected more "lololo ur sux roflolol" - but the post still leaves something to be desired...

 

[JackBurton]

A wise man once said...

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
A wise man once said...

Not even gonna click, it's probably the special olympics pic yes? Predictable, puerile, pathetic... what's this have to do with DAPs, btw?

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: JackBurton
A wise man once said...

Not even gonna click, it's probably the special olympics pic yes? Predictable, puerile, pathetic... what's this have to do with DAPs, btw?

The link is pathetic? LOL! How about someone with such strong views about a freakin' DAP? Talk about pathetic. You know it all too well. :roll:

Now please hurry up, everyone's waiting for you at the finish line.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
The link is pathetic? LOL! How about someone with such strong views about a freakin' DAP?

You tell me, bucko

 

[mrSHEiK124]

iPod Episode III - Revenge of the Gurck

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: JackBurton
The link is pathetic? LOL! How about someone with such strong views about a freakin' DAP?

You tell me, bucko

Yeah, I have some pretty strong views about DAPs. :roll: Amazing, pathetic and dumb. Not a bad combo you got going there buddy.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Excelsior
"I never said it was $500" You tell me why you said that then...

Did I say I felt it was a good player? I don't remember saying that. He might type like that on aim, but judging from his reviews and posts on the forums, he most certainly doesn't act that way. I just don't think you are putting much effort into this because you are so skeptical of someone with that much experience actually admitting the iPod is decent for what it is supposed to be. Try going through the forums, seeing his posts..etc...oh well, thats useless, you won't do it. You will just keep repeating yourself like a broken record.

And I can only find the 40GB Zen Xtra for $230, but I guess there is no point in splitting hairs here. But wait, I see the 40GB iPod for $344...or the 40GB iPod photo is available for just $30 more.

So I guess you won't be able to back up your previous statement then?

I quoted because you didn't to respond to my post.

But I didn't say it...

I'm not going to a lot of trouble to discredit the guy, I'm just saying that people are all different, often vastly so, and that you shouldn't give him so much credit in the first place. Perhaps its a personality thing; I'm generally skeptical, whereas you may be more prone to give the benefit of the doubt.

I said the 40gb Zen Xtra could be had for as little as $200, not that it was commonly sold at this price. A while back one of the big 3 (BB, CC, CompUSA) had it for that price after MIR. Link to $344 40gb ipod? And please, don't quote a price from iwillscamu.com, I'm looking for something legitimate.

This is all moot though; even if the difference were only $100 my argument stands up on principle; if someone doesn't like all of the goodies they'd get with a player which costs a little less than the ipod, why not get a player which costs a lot less and doesn't have those features they don't want?

The only reason I "give him so much credit" is because he has used more DAPs than I will ever see in my life. That gives him a much better perspective/pov when reviewing DAPs. Obviously you are generally skeptical, but IMO, too skeptical. While you will say whatever you can to make his point seem less valid, you won't try to see if he is for real, because that might would compromise your position.

Alright, I'll give you that, cause you did say could be had for as little, but lets not talk MIRs and the such. Link to 40GB iPod.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Yeah, I have some pretty strong views about DAPs. :roll:

Apparently so, you won't let this thread die. Interestingly enough, you also won't add anything worthwhile to it, while insisting that those who do are trolls

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
The only reason I "give him so much credit" is because he has used more DAPs than I will ever see in my life. That gives him a much better perspective/pov when reviewing DAPs. Obviously you are generally skeptical, but IMO, too skeptical. While you will say whatever you can to make his point seem less valid, you won't try to see if he is for real, because that might would compromise your position.

Alright, I'll give you that, cause you did say could be had for as little, but lets not talk MIRs and the such. Link to 40GB iPod.

Well, I'm not saying your link is invalid, but I will say I would not buy from them - text. A froogle search is showing that they've come down a bit - not $50, but $400 is higher than average, so I'll rescind my half price comment - though the point I was making still holds.

 

[daniel1113]

Don't try and post links to ipod's for sale on well known websites... Gurck rejects them all when they don't prove his poiint (thus far, this includes Amazon, Buy.com, and eCost).

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Excelsior
The only reason I "give him so much credit" is because he has used more DAPs than I will ever see in my life. That gives him a much better perspective/pov when reviewing DAPs. Obviously you are generally skeptical, but IMO, too skeptical. While you will say whatever you can to make his point seem less valid, you won't try to see if he is for real, because that might would compromise your position.

Alright, I'll give you that, cause you did say could be had for as little, but lets not talk MIRs and the such. Link to 40GB iPod.

Well, I'm not saying your link is invalid, but I will say I would not buy from them - text. A froogle search is showing that they've come down a bit - not $50, but $400 is higher than average, so I'll rescind my half price comment - though the point I was making still holds.

Alright, thats good enough for me.

 

[t3h l337 n3wb]

lmao this is one of the funniest and most pointless threads I've ever read...

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: t3h l337 n3wb
lmao this is one of the funniest and most pointless threads I've ever read...

Well, Gurck was set loose on some iPod fans, of course its funny :laugh:

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Don't try and post links to ipod's for sale on well known websites... Gurck rejects them all when they don't prove his poiint (thus far, this includes Amazon, Buy.com, and eCost).

As I told Excelsior, my point doesn't hinge on price semantics. Whether similar players are half the ipod's price or 55% makes no difference. The amazon link you provided in that thread listed no price. If you'd buy from a place with a 5 lifetime, 3 six-month rating, I feel sorry for you, and I have personal experience with buy.com screwing me - considering their own rating, it's not surprising.

You're really going out on a limb here to argue with me, I guess no price is too high, no leap of logic too far, no time spent arguing too long, when defending a company cool enough to put a lower-case i in front of their products' names :laugh:

 

[daniel1113]

I'm not even defending Apple... the only Apple item I own is an ipod, and you know why I chose it over the other players. I just don't go out of my way to trash them ever chance I get. You equate "not hating Apple" with being an "Apple fanboy for life" which is far from the truth.

EDIT: As for not showing a price, the links were viable at the time of that thread, but the ipod link is no longer available since that ipod model (40GB 4th gen) is no longer being sold retail. Notice how the Zen link still works? Yeah, that's right.