iPhone 5 performance

[lothar]

Better analogy would be that they don't have an oven to bake their cake in. Otherwise they've got it mixed together and ready to go.

So they don't know how to make an oven or purchase one?

Making an oven(or purchasing one) is much harder than creating the instructions to bake a cake?
Who would have thought?

 

[MrX8503]

Damn.. blows every phone out of the water in performance and probably battery life.

I think I'll have to get rid of my Nexus for one.

I love mine. Great battery life and it rips through web sites. Pages load crazy fast.

 

[Mopetar]

So they don't know how to make an oven or purchase one?

Making an oven(or purchasing one) is much harder than creating the instructions to bake a cake?
Who would have thought?

Or they don't want to, at least not at this point. Owning an oven is pretty expensive, more so if you can't keep it baking things on a regular basis. Also, you continually need to keep upgrading your oven, adding to the cost. The cake recipes are also pretty complex, similar to building new ovens. However, Apple isn't doing it from scratch. They've got someone else's recipe that they can play around with and add their own ingredients to which makes the process similar.

Apple probably has enough device volume that they could just buy their own small fab at this point. The biggest problem is that they'd need to keep upgrading it and that can get expensive in hurry, which is probably why Apple is content using third parties to get their chips made. And for what it's worth, making a modern chip is pretty damned difficult. Just ask AMD and any other company that builds CPUs or SOCs. ARM makes it easy by providing a basic working design, but if you want to tweak it, it still requires a team of people that know what they're doing.

 

[lothar]

Or they don't want to, at least not at this point. Owning an oven is pretty expensive, more so if you can't keep it baking things on a regular basis. Also, you continually need to keep upgrading your oven, adding to the cost. The cake recipes are also pretty complex, similar to building new ovens. However, Apple isn't doing it from scratch. They've got someone else's recipe that they can play around with and add their own ingredients to which makes the process similar.

Apple probably has enough device volume that they could just buy their own small fab at this point. The biggest problem is that they'd need to keep upgrading it and that can get expensive in hurry, which is probably why Apple is content using third parties to get their chips made. And for what it's worth, making a modern chip is pretty damned difficult. Just ask AMD and any other company that builds CPUs or SOCs. ARM makes it easy by providing a basic working design, but if you want to tweak it, it still requires a team of people that know what they're doing.

1.) I doubt Apple would have a problem with keeping things to be baked in the oven on a regular basis given the volume of iPads, iPhones, and Apple TV's that they ship.

2.) That's the normal part of doing business. Just like you need to keep upgrading your ingredients and instructions of baking a cake and ovens every year.
If you just sit on your laurels and don't do anything, sooner or later you'll end up with a RIM cake.

3.) Already answered above.

4.) But we were just told that anyone can follow instructions to bake a cake. Baking a cake is hard now?

 

[Mopetar]

Perhaps that's more true now than it has ever been. In the future Apple may build their own fab. Apple has probably run the numbers on it, but has decided that for the present time it's better to just use a third party. There's much less risk for them when they have the option of using any number of third party fabs, rather than having to rely solely on their own fab.

I think you're misunderstanding the analogy. Mixing the ingredients together is designing the chip. Baking the cake is physically building them at a fab. Building the oven is designing the fab and some of the equipment that will be used there. Using the default ARM core is like buying a box cake from the store. Building your own architecture from the ground up is like making a cake from scratch. Apple falls somewhere in between.

Putting together a good custom mix is challenging, even if you're basing it off of a box recipe. So is actually designing a new oven. Baking the cake can be a bit tricky if you've got a new mix and a new oven, but once that's been figured out, it's pretty easy to do. So yes, baking a cake is hard, but probably not as hard as building the ovens or creating a cake mix from scratch.

 

[Red Squirrel]

What is it that people do on their phones that actually requires such processing power? I can't imagine trying to manipulate a program like 3DS Max on a phone or playing a graphic intensive game. F@H?

It's impressive they can put that much power into a device so small though, I just can't seem to figure out the reason why other than "because they can".

 

[Yuriman]

The iPhone5 is fast, but it's really not as much faster as I'd have expected - at least CPU-wise. Its GPU makes me envious.

On my Galaxy S2 I took off the crap stock ROM and got an almost 80% performance improvement. I can only guess what the Galaxy S3 gets with AOKP android, but I imagine it would have better numbers than the iP5.

^ My wife's had 5 days 20 hours but I never captured a screenshot of it.

 

[MagickMan]

Yeah, my wife's iP5 is fast, very fast. I can tell a difference between it and my GSIII, it's noticeably quicker at pretty much everything. So far, it seems like a very nice phone.

 

[luv2liv]

amazing numbers.
but did anyone ever complain their iphone was slow???
off all the things people wanted... i doubt speed was one of them.

4inch is still small. no NFC. boring OS with 1 extra rows. wow.

 

[Eug]

What is it that people do on their phones that actually requires such processing power? I can't imagine trying to manipulate a program like 3DS Max on a phone or playing a graphic intensive game. F@H?

It's impressive they can put that much power into a device so small though, I just can't seem to figure out the reason why other than "because they can".

Try viewing just www.senorgif.com on your phone. I'm told it's smooth on the iPhone 5. It's not always smooth on my Nexus 7 quad-core.

 

[ponyo]

Try viewing just www.senorgif.com on your phone. I'm told it's smooth on the iPhone 5. It's not always smooth on my Nexus 7 quad-core.

Maybe it depends on the current gifs displayed on the site. I just tried it with the Chrome browser on my Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 7, and i5 Win7 desktop. I had all three running at the same time and it looked the same on all three. Maybe it was tiny bit smoother and faster on i5 but maybe not. I couldn't really tell.

With the stock browser on Galaxy Nexus, some of the animations were little choppy. With the hacked stock browser on Nexus 7, one of the GIFs did not animate. But Chrome had no problem.

 

[lothar]

The iPhone5 is fast, but it's really not as much faster as I'd have expected - at least CPU-wise. Its GPU makes me envious.

On my Galaxy S2 I took off the crap stock ROM and got an almost 80% performance improvement. I can only guess what the Galaxy S3 gets with AOKP android, but I imagine it would have better numbers than the iP5.

What ROM/kernel?

 

[Aikouka]

Anand mentioned that he would be doing a full discharge-recharge cycle prior to his battery tests. Is that something good to do to get the device to "learn" its battery?

 

[grkM3]

I just hit 1800 on geekbench on my gs3 but its running a custom jellybean rom and overclocked etc.

wait for official jellybean for the gs3 for a real performance comparison to the iphone 5,all androids not running jelly are really held back by there os.


I installed leaked jelly from like 3 different makers and they are all too buggy and just went back to stock.

I just wished the gs3 was a nexus cell and got official jellybean from google like my old nexus did,its sad that the old nexus smokes the gs3 in sunspider and a bunch of other benchmarks do to its official jellybean from google made specifically for that phone.

all jelly bean roms out there are taken from the jellybean made for the nexus and devs are hacking/pathcing things to force it to work on the gs3.

there are a few leaked touchwiz roms from att and tmobil but those are bloated(700mb)vs 150 mb of just pure vanilla jellybean from google and there kernals are junk with no tweaks avail yet.

Once you own a nexus device its hard going to something else and the second the new nexus 2 comes out Im grabbing that sucker and blasting googles next os on it.

hardware is nothing if the software dosnt take advantage of it and ios is working clutch with the new hardware apple has in the iphone 5,I just wished we could run android on it to fully unleash its performance potential

 

[Yuriman]

What ROM/kernel?

Task650's AOKP Jelly Bean (and previously his ICS). JB still has a few odd bugs but both his ICS and Jelly Bean ROM are smokin' fast. Combined with a Fluxi XX kernel: SIO scheduler, AFTR or LPA CPUidle mode, SCHED_MC disabled, ondemand governer.

GPU and CPU both heavily undervolted.

I'm expecting that when Samsung's JB is released for the GS2, somebody will take the HWComposer from it and merge it with AOKP, should provide a healthy boost of smoothness.

I installed leaked jelly from like 3 different makers and they are all too buggy and just went back to stock.

Have you tried AOKP Jelly Bean yet?

 

[runawayprisoner]

I'm not sure why we have to bring custom ROM and overclocked/tweaked CPU performance into the picture here.

While it is possible for a specific ROM and tweak to get better performance on a certain device over the iPhone 5, I think it's worth noting that not every Android device comes out of the box with those tweaks...

And the iPhone 5 comes out of the box performing like that.

There is still a chance that Apple can optimize their software to get even more performance (already happened before) out of the iPhone 5 down the line, so I don't think customized/tweaked softwares should be taken into account.

If we absolutely have to go that way, let's ask Anand to jailbreak his iPhone 5 when a jailbreak is available, tweak the phone to its max, and do another round of benchmark...

 

[MrX8503]

I agree. The avg consumer isn't going to OC or load custom ROMs. The iPhone 5 is fast when you first turn it on.

 

[Eug]

Plus, if you overclock a CPU or load a custom ROM, it brings up a whole new set of issues, not the least of which include battery life issues or OS instability or software incompatibility.

Hell I'm a geek, and quite happy now that my Nexus 7 no longer needs rooting, now that Nexus Media Importer is available. I won't have to worry about re-rooting after every update or whatever.

 

[TuxDave]

What is it that people do on their phones that actually requires such processing power? I can't imagine trying to manipulate a program like 3DS Max on a phone or playing a graphic intensive game. F@H?

It's impressive they can put that much power into a device so small though, I just can't seem to figure out the reason why other than "because they can".

You should see some of the games. They're actually really nice and graphic intensive.

 

[ponyo]

You should see some of the games. They're actually really nice and graphic intensive.

And this is where Apple is leading and why I think Apple will ultimately win. Games are huge market and it's like Windows vs Mac battle except in reverse.

 

[PeeluckyDuckee]

Speed was never a concern on any smartphones I've ever come across, not the 3GS, not the iPhone 4, not the Galaxy S2, or my current Galaxy Nexus. I benefited much more from the form factor and screen size bump from 3.5" on the 3GS/4 to the S2's 4.3" and now 4.65" on my Nexus. Thanks to competition I don't have to wait for Apple to tell me what I "want" and that's all I "want" til their next best thing comes to fruition.

 

[ControlD]

Speed was never a concern on any smartphones I've ever come across, not the 3GS, not the iPhone 4, not the Galaxy S2, or my current Galaxy Nexus. I benefited much more from the form factor and screen size bump from 3.5" on the 3GS/4 to the S2's 4.3" and now 4.65" on my Nexus. Thanks to competition I don't have to wait for Apple to tell me what I "want" and that's all I "want" til their next best thing comes to fruition.

I agree and honestly the only people that are going to care that much about processor and GPU specs are tech oriented people. Most of my friends with iPhones can't even tell me what version of phone they have. The 4 and 4S are the same thing to them. If I start talking about retina graphics and dual core processors their eyes start to glaze over and I can tell they don't know and don't care what that means. As soon as something on the phone doesn't work correctly however (maps for example) then those same people will quickly take notice and start wondering what the hell is going on.

 

[Eug]

Just about anyone can tell the difference in speed between an iPhone 3GS and 4S. Even the 4 vs. 4S is pretty easy to tell.

 

[dagamer34]

Just about anyone can tell the difference in speed between an iPhone 3GS and 4S. Even the 4 vs. 4S is pretty easy to tell.

They CAN tell, they just don't care to when upgrading. However, you show an iPhone 4 user an iPhone 3G they used 3 years ago and they'll think it's slow as molasses. Same with a 4S user and the 3GS.

 

[Red Squirrel]

You should see some of the games. They're actually really nice and graphic intensive.

Ah yeah guess it makes sense. I never really thought much about games but I would imagine there is quite a few more involved games for smart phones now days.